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*Spoilers* cutscene interpretation

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The cutscene where Roxas and Sora talk, how do you interpret it? I see it as Roxas saying that he tried to adapt to being Sora, but he realized that he is Sora and Sora is him--one existence. Instead of trying to change himself into being Sora, he needs to combine their beings. He brings his memories, ultimately Sora's memories, to the surface of Sora's consciousnesses. This helps bring them together.

 

When he says, "That's why it has to be you" Roxas is saying, me being my own-self means being you.

 

That's how I thought of it. I'm curious as to other interpretations or perhaps other things in the game that give more clarity to this scene.

 

Here the video with subs for those who have not viewed it yet:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5ZdsmRzm8

 

 

Btw, I'm new so I hope this topic is okay to post?

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Your topic's fine. You're one of the few newbies that have put thought into their post and topic, so well done. :)

 

I suppose I would say I see it similarly.

 

To me, Roxas is apologising for trying to be his own person when he's come to the realisation that he can't be his own person. Sora tries to tell him he could be his own person and that he's going to try to make it happen.

 

Roxas then brings his own memories to Sora's surface and Sora begins to understand Roxas a lot better but he also had to go through all the pain Roxas did in only a few seconds, which is why he looks so hurt when receiving them.

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Your topic's fine. You're one of the few newbies that have put thought into their post and topic, so well done. :)

 

I suppose I would say I see it similarly.

 

To me, Roxas is apologising for trying to be his own person when he's come to the realisation that he can't be his own person. Sora tries to tell him he could be his own person and that he's going to try to make it happen.

 

Roxas then brings his own memories to Sora's surface and Sora begins to understand Roxas a lot better but he also had to go through all the pain Roxas did in only a few seconds, which is why he looks so hurt when receiving them.

 

I like this one. Nomura isn't stupid he wouldn't get rid of Roxas like that. and if Roxas "fused" what would become of Xion?

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Your topic's fine. You're one of the few newbies that have put thought into their post and topic, so well done. :)

Thank you :)

 

I suppose I would say I see it similarly.

 

To me, Roxas is apologising for trying to be his own person when he's come to the realisation that he can't be his own person. Sora tries to tell him he could be his own person and that he's going to try to make it happen.

 

Roxas then brings his own memories to Sora's surface and Sora begins to understand Roxas a lot better but he also had to go through all the pain Roxas did in only a few seconds, which is why he looks so hurt when receiving them.

 

I wonder if Roxas will get to be his own person outside of Sora. Part of me feels like KH2 was all about understanding that they are one being and there is no need to be separate, but I like Roxas so much I want him around lol.

 

I don't think Roxas and Namine have disappeared but found themselves. Axel is whole as Lea and I think since Sora and Kairi are around, Namine and Roxas are whole as Sora and Kairi. They are unique in having their counterparts. That was what their conversation to each other was about before they joined Sora and Kairi.

 

Which I think is funny because:

Namine: "So we can be together again!"

Roxas: "Right, as long as Sora and Kairi are together."

Kairi :"We'll be together everyday. Right, Sora?"

Sora: "Uh...yeah!"

*Not too long after Sora leaves Kairi and goes on adventure*

 

I like this one. Nomura isn't stupid he wouldn't get rid of Roxas like that. and if Roxas "fused" what would become of Xion?

 

Xion is interesting. In that scene where Sora sees Namine, she turns into Xion. I think this is because Sora mistakes Xion for Namine. Namine is Kairi and Xion is kind of like Sora's memories of Kairi. Sora cries, feeling Xion's sadness at being a mere reflection of a memory. I'm not sure what will happen with her. My guess is that she will remain in Sora but hopefully feel complete like Roxas will.

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No matter how much Roxas wishes to stay with Sora like the rest of the Organization Roxas obtained a heart of his own. So Sora harboring Roxas is like Sora harboring Ventus even though part of Ventus was Sora's heart Ventus is in the process of fixing his just like Roxas will learn to fix his eventually and become his own being.

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No matter how much Roxas wishes to stay with Sora like the rest of the Organization Roxas obtained a heart of his own. So Sora harboring Roxas is like Sora harboring Ventus even though part of Ventus was Sora's heart Ventus is in the process of fixing his just like Roxas will learn to fix his eventually and become his own being.

 

But Axel grew a heart as well and still became Lea, his true self. I think people do not feel they have lost Axel because Lea looks so much like him. With Roxas and Namine, it feels different because they look so different, we feel we are losing them but ultimately it's the same things that happened with Axel. With Roxas bringing his memories to the surface for Sora, it helps combine them in personalty as well.

 

I think saving Roxas and Namine doesn't mean they become their own people. I think it means bringing their selves into Sora and Kairi. Instead of one being dominate over the other, they need to be one being--same with Xion. That feels sad for fans because I know for myself, I like Namine and Roxas. In fact I like them more than I do Kairi and Sora lol. But maybe I'm wrong.

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Yes but Lea and Axel have the same personality lived the same memories they are the same person but Roxas and Sora are a different case. Axel was born as Lea's leftovers while Roxas was born a being with no memories of his own Roxas in sense is tied to Sora physically but is emotionally completely seperate from what Sora has become. Which might be why they are having trouble coexisting in one body anyway.

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Roxas and Sora have different bodies. . . Roxas had Sora's original, and Sora had one made from light. Roxas was born with no memories of Sora's past and gained his own heart through his experiences whereas Sora retained his own. Axel had Lea's memories and body so is the exact same entity as Lea.

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Yes but Lea and Axel have the same personality lived the same memories they are the same person but Roxas and Sora are a different case. Axel was born as Lea's leftovers while Roxas was born a being with no memories of his own Roxas in sense is tied to Sora physically but is emotionally completely seperate from what Sora has become. Which might be why they are having trouble coexisting in one body anyway.

 

Yes, but that was what this scene was about--Roxas saying that they need to stop thinking of each other as separate beings. Roxas says no, we are not two different people. You have my feelings in you because my feelings are your feelings. There is no Roxas and Sora; there is you. This takes place in Sora's dreams, his subconsciousness. That means these memories are already in him, Roxas brings them to the surface, which starts the process of combing these two personalities.

 

Basically, I tried being you but I realize I need to be me because I am you. My personality, my feelings, are part of the equation that makes up Sora.

 

Roxas and Sora have different bodies. . . Roxas had Sora's original, and Sora had one made from light. Roxas was born with no memories of Sora's past and gained his own heart through his experiences whereas Sora retained his own. Axel had Lea's memories and body so is the exact same entity as Lea.

 

Which is why it is more of a process for Roxas and Sora to combine themselves and why it took a while for Roxas to understand.

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It cannot be so. In re:coded roxas is one of the people that Sora needs to save if what so then there is no way that fusing with Sora saves him from anything other than existing. And like data namine said all the memories of the people who are not physically Sora are crushing him which is why he failed the exam in the first place Roxas needs to leave and let Sora be Sora

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It cannot be so. In re:coded roxas is one of the people that Sora needs to save if what so then there is no way that fusing with Sora saves him from anything other than existing. And like data namine said all the memories of the people who are not physically Sora are crushing him which is why he failed the exam in the first place Roxas needs to leave and let Sora be Sora

 

Saving doesn't necessarily mean being his own body. I think it means Roxas needs to be one with Sora, not dominated by him, not erased.

 

Even if we take personality out of the equation, Roxas is physically Sora though, isn't he? His body is made from Sora.

 

I'm not trying be combative lol, it's just that I agree with you that Roxas being Sora doesn't work right now. That's what this scene is pointing out. Roxas and Sora need to have Sora's memories and Roxas's memories be one in the same. Sora is having trouble because Roxas just slapped him with a lot of pain and that's something Sora needs in order to grow and become one with his counterpart.

 

Sora is going to be hurt by these memories, but that is a part of a person's development. Namine was trying to prepare him for that pain. Sora failing is development. Someone cannot go from a happy-go-lucky-guy to all that pain and not be crushed. It will take time for that pain to become a part of who he is, as is true in reality, but this makes us who we are. We go from being crushed to being a new person. Sora will learn a new level of compassion.

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Maybe you're right but to be honest. I cant let Roxas go in my heart like that he has grown in all of us and to realize that we might never see him again in kh2 was hard enough. But I love roxas and will stand by his need to be his own person until otherwise said so.

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Maybe you're right but to be honest. I cant let Roxas go in my heart like that he has grown in all of us and to realize that we might never see him again in kh2 was hard enough. But I love roxas and will stand by his need to be his own person until otherwise said so.

 

I love him too! There's a large part of me that wants him to be his own person (as well as Namine), but from a literary point of view, the symbolism of him becoming one with Sora feels right.

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I love him too! There's a large part of me that wants him to be his own person (as well as Namine), but from a literary point of view, the symbolism of him becoming one with Sora feels right.

 

I have a theory maybe the only way for a nobody and somebody to become one is for both to be eliminated so maybe later on Roxas will split and then sacrifice himself to be complete with Sora.

That would be nice. Axel and Roxas should have a proper farewell.

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But Axel grew a heart as well and still became Lea, his true self. I think people do not feel they have lost Axel because Lea looks so much like him.

 

Interestingly we can see Roxas and Sora as different persons because they both "existed" at same time and they are different, while Leas heart was taken by his heartless and his body became Axel whos personality is same to Leas. In other hand we could say Axel and Lea are same and only one person with minor changes in our eyes.

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I have a theory maybe the only way for a nobody and somebody to become one is for both to be eliminated so maybe later on Roxas will split and then sacrifice himself to be complete with Sora.

That would be nice. Axel and Roxas should have a proper farewell.

 

Whatever happens, I agree. I want a proper ending for Roxas, Namine. Axel was very close to Namine in the novels too, so I always like their friendship lol. It was like big brother/little sister. Of course it's the novels, so I don't know if it will be translated to the game (though the final mix was added scenes from the novels).

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