Does anyone else think that KH3D created many more plot holes then it did answer questions?

 

1. Time Travel

 

2. Nobodies grow hearts...which makes it more complicated to where Ven's heart is/was.

 

3. Who exactly the seven lights/ thirteen darknesses are? (Question that came up in KH 3d)

 

4. Why Kairi would be a light and a princess? (same as 3/opinion)

 

5. How YMX was able to time travel?

 

6. Where Terranort/AX is?

 

7. Eraqus seems to be completely forgotten in this whole mess.

 

8. If a defining trait of being corrupted by MX is golden/yellow eyes then why do ATW and MX have the same color eyes? (My own quesiton about the whole series.)

 

I'm not going to say this game is bad b/c from the looks of it, it seems like a great game, but the story just seems to create more holes and complications in the KH universe.

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Does anyone else think that KH3D created many more plot holes then it did answer questions?

 

1. Time Travel Always a plot hole. I find time-travel games are more fun when you don't question it.

 

2. Nobodies grow hearts...which makes it more complicated to where Ven's heart is/was. Ven's heart could have still been in Sora. I'm a firm believer that Roxas' heart is his own.

 

3. Who exactly the seven lights/ thirteen darknesses are? (Question that came up in KH 3d) Obvious, but interesting question. Not exactly a plot hole...

 

4. Why Kairi would be a light and a princess? (same as 3/opinion) Yeah, let's send the one we're protecting out on the front lines, why don't we? This could be annoying...

 

5. How YMX was able to time travel? See #1

 

6. Where Terranort/AX is? Sorry, AX? I am curious about Terranort, but he could just be one of the hooded Ansems.

 

7. Eraqus seems to be completely forgotten in this whole mess. Made me laugh, so true. Also, where is Terra?

 

8. If a defining trait of being corrupted by MX is golden/yellow eyes then why do ATW and MX have the same color eyes? (My own quesiton about the whole series. He could be corrupted. Dun Dun Dun!

 

I'm not going to say this game is bad b/c from the looks of it, it seems like a great game, but the story just seems to create more holes and complications in the KH universe.

 

Does anyone else think that KH3D created many more plot holes then it did answer questions?

 

1. Time Travel

It's perfectly explained. If you abandon your flesh you can travel in time, but only in one direction. So you have to keep either going backwards in time or forward.

2. Nobodies grow hearts...which makes it more complicated to where Ven's heart is/was.

Ven's heart is now entirely inside Sora. It used to be a part inside Roxas, but now it's completely inside Sora.

It's possible the sleeping Ven is also growing a heart and can awaken because of this.

3. Who exactly the seven lights/ thirteen darknesses are? (Question that came up in KH 3d)

Keyblade wielders and the new Organization. Both are still looking for members. >_>

4. Why Kairi would be a light and a princess? (same as 3/opinion)

She got the inheritance from Aqua, and well, she was born a princess >_>

5. How YMX was able to time travel?

Xehanort's Heartless went back in time and taught him.

6. Where Terranort/AX is?

Realm of Light, most likely. Or possibly, he time traveled too.

7. Eraqus seems to be completely forgotten in this whole mess.

He's supposedly the only actual dead character so far, so good >_>

8. If a defining trait of being corrupted by MX is golden/yellow eyes then why do ATW and MX have the same color eyes? (My own quesiton about the whole series.)

Ansem's eyes are more like, orange. Xehanort's eyes are very light yellow.

 

I've been noticing that too... I think that when Namora said that KH3D was going to be unexpected, he threw in as much stuff in there to throw us off track... and (in my very personal opinion) those ideas weren't the best to throw in... I'm slightly turned off by it at the moment...

 

I mean... as unexpected as it was, out of the hundreds of theories on here that I have read--we were kind of spot on with out predictions...

• For instance--a lot of people joked/fantasized about Axel acquiring a keyblade. (Key word being "joked/fantaized") and then that ended up being true. The same idea goes with Kairi--I've seen threads about her becoming a Master as well before the game came out.
• We all predicted Sora would fail the Mark of Mastery, while Riku would pass with flying colors.
• (**I've haven't seen all the cut scenes, but it sounds like Sora joined Organization XIII version 2????**--and I did see theories about that one on here before)
• When BBS came out, a lot of us explored the idea of time travel--and that ended up to be true.
• It seems that the Princesses don't matter anymore since "7 Princesses of pure light" and the "7 lights" apparently aren't the same thing.

....I don't know. I think I will still like the game and series when I can finally fully appreciate it in a language I understand (so I will no longer be confused).. but as of right now, I'm not too flattered with this one...

I've been noticing that too... I think that when Namora said that KH3D was going to be unexpected, he threw in as much stuff in there to throw us off track... and (in my very personal opinion) those ideas weren't the best to throw in... I'm slightly turned off by it at the moment...

 

I mean... as unexpected as it was, out of the hundreds of theories on here that I have read--we were kind of spot on with out predictions...

• For instance--a lot of people joked/fantasized about Axel acquiring a keyblade. (Key word being "joked/fantaized") and then that ended up being true. The same idea goes with Kairi--I've seen threads about her becoming a Master as well before the game came out.
• We all predicted Sora would fail the Mark of Mastery, while Riku would pass with flying colors.
• (**I've haven't seen all the cut scenes, but it sounds like Sora joined Organization XIII version 2????**--and I did see theories about that one on here before)
• When BBS came out, a lot of us explored the idea of time travel--and that ended up to be true.
• It seems that the Princesses don't matter anymore since "7 Princesses of pure light" and the "7 lights" apparently aren't the same thing.

....I don't know. I think I will still like the game and series when I can finally fully appreciate it in a language I understand (so I will no longer be confused).. but as of right now, I'm not too flattered with this one...

 

I confess. I am Nomura. You've all given me such great ideas!

@kinode

 

I understand the time travel that Kh3d proposes, but as I see the events happening is Ansem SoD travels back to the time when he was young visits himself (YMX) and tell his his life up to Kh1. Then YMX uses it to do what? He can't get Ansem SoD and Xemnas to the present if he time travels before Terranort exists. So, how can he be the same age and still time travel if he can only time travel backwards? How can he take Ansem SoD and Xemnas to the future he cannot travel further into the future only backwards. So, there isn't a cut and dry explanation. And ATW and MX have the same color eyes...this idea that they don't is just nitpicking when in fact Nomura could have chosen ATW to have any other eye color, but he chose a color that is very close if not the same color as MX or someone who is another a member of Org. Nort.

Does anyone else think that KH3D created many more plot holes then it did answer questions?

 

1. Time Travel

You sacrifice your flesh/body and reject existing to move through the flow of time as a heart, but only in one direction. So basically you keep going or find a host body to live off of like Ansem: SoD did to Riku.

2. Nobodies grow hearts...which makes it more complicated to where Ven's heart is/was.

He didn't say every nobody grew hearts but those with the capacity, probably did. So you can expect Roxas to have grown one.

3. Who exactly the seven lights/ thirteen darknesses are? (Question that came up in KH 3d)

Sora, Riku, Mickey, Lea, Kairi, Aqua and Ven are the only ones who are even close to being the Lights

The Xehanorts will be explained later.

4. Why Kairi would be a light and a princess? (same as 3/opinion)

Trust me, they don't have to send he in the front lines, she will be forced to fight so might as well have her protect herself than be a damsel in distress.

5. How YMX was able to time travel?

He was taught by Ansem: SoD.

6. Where Terranort/AX is?

Terranort is possibly one of the Hooded Ansems or Ansem:SoD is using his body.

7. Eraqus seems to be completely forgotten in this whole mess.

Eraqus's body is yet to be found. He could be one of the hosts for a Xehanort.

8. If a defining trait of being corrupted by MX is golden/yellow eyes then why do ATW and MX have the same color eyes? (My own quesiton about the whole series.)

Nope. Ansem the Wise has Orange Eyes.

I'm not going to say this game is bad b/c from the looks of it, it seems like a great game, but the story just seems to create more holes and complications in the KH universe.

The story doesn't have much plot holes and if it does they will be addressed by Nomura. He never leaves anything untouched as you can see from the games after KH2, he explains in detail what the fans are exactly wondering.

 

YMX time travels forward by using ASoD' magic brown cloak. The end. Saying the coat is magic is the only way to explain time travel.

1. Time Travel

 

 

I think he means the specifics on how to Time Travel. It's not like you can just walk out of your body and into the past.

Ah plot holes... i'm still sore about that whole Riku giving Kairi a keyblade out of nowhere thing in KH2(which was never fully explained, like seriously why didn't she just summon it herself?). Well, I trust Nomura wouldn't purposefully introduce a crazy thing like Time travel without good explanation and whatnot. Hopefully with more translations and the possibillity of some sort of "Report" we'll get more answers.

Edited April 2, 201214 yr by ShiningFantasia12

 

As I said in my previous response to Kinode...I understand the how of time travel, but not how YMX can time travel. You cannot have Ansem SoD and Xemnas if YMX casts his flesh aside before those two are made and if its later he is old Xeahnort. You can only time travel backwards so how would YMX be gathering all the norts? And the translation of ending part one speaks of a last light that is not kairi and is on MX's side (This doesn't mean Terra as the translation says "last one" and Mickey refers to a last light that isn't exactly mentioned).

 

BTW...I'm curious to see the translate ending part two where ATW explains his data in Sora's heart to Riku maybe this will solve some issues.

As I said in my previous response to Kinode...I understand the how of time travel, but not how YMX can time travel. You cannot have Ansem SoD and Xemnas if YMX casts his flesh aside before those two are made and if its later he is old Xeahnort. You can only time travel backwards so how would YMX be gathering all the norts? And the translation of ending part one speaks of a last light that is not kairi and is on MX's side (This doesn't mean Terra as the translation says "last one" and Mickey refers to a last light that isn't exactly mentioned).

 

BTW...I'm curious to see the translate ending part two where ATW explains his data in Sora's heart to Riku maybe this will solve some issues.

 

We'll just have to wait. I predict that they are probably from different realms of existence.

As I said in my previous response to Kinode...I understand the how of time travel, but not how YMX can time travel. You cannot have Ansem SoD and Xemnas if YMX casts his flesh aside before those two are made and if its later he is old Xeahnort. You can only time travel backwards so how would YMX be gathering all the norts? And the translation of ending part one speaks of a last light that is not kairi and is on MX's side (This doesn't mean Terra as the translation says "last one" and Mickey refers to a last light that isn't exactly mentioned).

 

BTW...I'm curious to see the translate ending part two where ATW explains his data in Sora's heart to Riku maybe this will solve some issues.

 

You can only travel in one direction. Ansem SoD travelled backwards but YMX (a different entity, who was chosen because of his early time stream) chose the forward direction and gathered everyone created after him. Anyone who time travels has a return switch in which they can return to their home time but when they do this they cannot take anyone with them, so ASoD can go back and return to possess Riku but can't go to his time stream with anyone, or to the future without YMX's help.

 

EDIT: He cast aside his flesh but can return into his body at the same instant he left, leaving no time for a heartless/nobody to be created.

When AX cast aside his body it was purposefully to create two entities who could simultaneously a) go back in time to tell past self about time travel and b ) gather vessels.

Edited April 2, 201214 yr by atheist123

@kinode

 

I understand the time travel that Kh3d proposes, but as I see the events happening is Ansem SoD travels back to the time when he was young visits himself (YMX) and tell his his life up to Kh1. Then YMX uses it to do what? He can't get Ansem SoD and Xemnas to the present if he time travels before Terranort exists. So, how can he be the same age and still time travel if he can only time travel backwards? How can he take Ansem SoD and Xemnas to the future he cannot travel further into the future only backwards. So, there isn't a cut and dry explanation. And ATW and MX have the same color eyes...this idea that they don't is just nitpicking when in fact Nomura could have chosen ATW to have any other eye color, but he chose a color that is very close if not the same color as MX or someone who is another a member of Org. Nort.

 

Xehanort's Heartless informs Young Xehanort that his(YX's) mission is to collect all the forms of Xehanort from different timelines and bring them together in the sleeping worlds. Young Xehanort then, supposedly, abandons his body to time travel(How he maintained it, I'm not sure). Young Xehanort desn't have to travel in the same direction, see. As he is the youngest form of Xehanort, he goes into the future every time and collect each form of Xehanort before they are deceased.

Honestly, Ansem did experiments with Darkness. So it's perfectly possible it's a coincidence, because Ansem has aways had that eye color, from what we know. Unless Xehanort is a part of Ansem, I don't see how this could work out. Ansem has a darker golden iris, from what I've observed.

Honestly, Ansem did experiments with Darkness. So it's perfectly possible it's a coincidence, because Ansem has aways had that eye color, from what we know. Unless Xehanort is a part of Ansem, I don't see how this could work out. Ansem has a darker golden iris, from what I've observed.

 

Good point!

 

 

They all seem to be pretty similar to me. I don't see how much different ATW's eyes truly are from MX or any other Nort.

 

They all seem to be pretty similar to me. I don't see how much different ATW's eyes truly are from MX or any other Nort.

 

In these pictures AX seems to have brown eyes . . .maybe this shows that AX wasn't a true incarnation of Xehanort yet, more Terra than MX. But then Terranort has really MX eyes and he is the only one which has shown Terra behaivour. . . so there's no way of knowing but ATW could be a vessel who is rejecting MX's heart. Like how Riku rejected Ansem SoD's heart.

In these pictures AX seems to have brown eyes . . .maybe this shows that AX wasn't a true incarnation of Xehanort yet, more Terra than MX. But then Terranort has really MX eyes and he is the only one which has shown Terra behaivour. . . so there's no way of knowing but ATW could be a vessel who is rejecting MX's heart. Like how Riku rejected Ansem SoD's heart.

 

Yeah I think that ATW did reject MX's heart in the beginning. I posted somewhere before that my theory is ATW fought off the Xehanort's presence in him to help Sora and the gang and his research tells more on the subject of MX's true plan. But now he is apart of org nort as MX's heart was too strong for him to fight anymore.

I don't see why it was necessary to add the whole time travel stuff...it seem perfectly plausible to me that XM was smart enough to prephas just create a younger version of himself. Or the idea that there was simply another form of XM out there. The KH universe has done stuff like this before, like how even after terra become XM's vessel, there was still some type of form of in the BBS's secret ending. I thought the mythology of KH always revolve around the heart, soul, and will...and I thought they could have that to explain what happened. But I guess it doesn't really matter as the time travel does explain it well enough...T_T I don't know, that was just my reaction when I heard about it/saw it. It's not bad...just not...what I expected.

8. If a defining trait of being corrupted by MX is golden/yellow eyes then why do ATW and MX have the same color eyes? (My own quesiton about the whole series.)

I'm not bothering with any of the other questions, but this is a pretty silly question to ask. If Master Xehanort's golden/orange/yellow/whateverish eyes are naturally occurring, what's the firetrucking problem? Does Ansem the Wise HAVE to be connected to Xehanort just because he has a similar eye color? Think about this for a moment. You're letting something incredibly irrelevant bother you and calling it a "plot hole".

Edited April 2, 201214 yr by Bizarro