esumsoraroxas 48 Posted July 15, 2012 I was thinking: Since MX is evil and wants to meet his goals by searching for a vessel, does he represent the temptation of power? I think he might. What do you guys think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted July 15, 2012 Pretty much. Ambition = Evil in the KH universe... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SquareSora 133 Posted July 15, 2012 yea he pretty much does. but i see terra more of the temptation of power guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cricket 1,180 Posted July 15, 2012 Yes, he represents evil/darkness and the temptation to give in to the darkness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deathrebirthsenshi 279 Posted July 15, 2012 Definately. Sort of like Macbeth. It's funny how his story is so similar to Riku's, but eventually Riku came to his senses and realized what was really important. Xehanort puts gaining more power above all else, and thus is doomed to a horrible life... Terra also struggles with the temptation of power a bit, but not to the scale you would have suspected; for the most part, he still has a good heart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SquareSora 133 Posted July 15, 2012 Pretty much. Ambition = Evil in the KH universe... not really. Fear leds to obession with power,obsession with power=Darkness or Evil in the KH universe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdeaKramer 32 Posted July 15, 2012 you could say though KH3D makes him look like a fool in BBS... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted July 15, 2012 not really. Fear leds to obession with power,obsession with power=Darkness or Evil in the KH universe. Anybody who has drive and wants something in KH will ultimately fall to darkness. The only cure is to become submissive like Riku did in KH2.Also, haven't you played CoM? What about Jack Skellington's speech about how fear is good, because it let's us push in new directions? Fear isn't so one dimensional like you say... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esumsoraroxas 48 Posted July 15, 2012 Pretty much. Ambition = Evil in the KH universe... Not necessarily so often, because ambition can benefit good as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Tery 4,591 Posted July 15, 2012 not really. Fear leds to obession with power,obsession with power=Darkness or Evil in the KH universe. Fear doesn't always lead to obsession with power. Fear allows us to move on and grow as people. It's when you let the fear control you that you begin to lose yourself. There's far more to fear than just a hunger for power. Master Xehanort let his fear and ambition control him to the point that he lost sight of the fact that he's just using people over and over and over, just to get what he wants. 2 esumsoraroxas and hatok reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted July 15, 2012 Not necessarily so often, because ambition can benefit good as well. In real life. Name one ambitious person in KH who hasn't been punished for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nohjx 157 Posted July 15, 2012 I always felt that Xehanort and all his forms tried to tempt multiple characters with the thought of "power", which led them deeper into the plan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SquareSora 133 Posted July 15, 2012 Fear doesn't always lead to obsession with power. Fear allows us to move on and grow as people. It's when you let the fear control you that you begin to lose yourself. There's far more to fear than just a hunger for power. Master Xehanort let his fear and ambition control him to the point that he lost sight of the fact that he's just using people over and over and over, just to get what he wants. exactly thats what i meant. if u let fear control you then ull fall into darkness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esumsoraroxas 48 Posted July 15, 2012 In real life. Name one ambitious person in KH who hasn't been punished for it. Aqua. She ventured into the Realm of Darkness to attempt to save Terra and/ or his body, I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted July 15, 2012 Aqua. She ventured into the Realm of Darkness to attempt to save Terra and/ or his body, I believe. That's not ambition at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esumsoraroxas 48 Posted July 15, 2012 That's not ambition at all. Does boldness count as ambition? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Tery 4,591 Posted July 15, 2012 Does boldness count as ambition? Ambition is the desire for personal achievement. So, no what Aqua did does not count as ambition. I would say that the reason it's portrayed this way in KH is because, in some ways, ambition can become selfish. If you become to ambitious, you start to lose sight of the people around you, in favor of doing only what you would want to do. So, in KH, when people get too ambitious that is what happens, while the people of the light tend to not care about their own ambitions, but the benefits of the greater good. KH is a world that has a good and bad morality scale, which has some differences from reality's morality scale. They touched on it a bit in KH2, which I liked, when Sora and Riku told Xemnas that they didn't hate the dark, only those that lurked inside. 1 esumsoraroxas reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted July 15, 2012 Ambition is the desire for personal achievement. So, no what Aqua did does not count as ambition. I would say that the reason it's portrayed this way in KH is because, in some ways, ambition can become selfish. If you become to ambitious, you start to lose sight of the people around you, in favor of doing only what you would want to do. So, in KH, when people get too ambitious that is what happens, while the people of the light tend to not care about their own ambitions, but the benefits of the greater good. KH is a world that has a good and bad morality scale, which has some differences from reality's morality scale. They touched on it a bit in KH2, which I liked, when Sora and Riku told Xemnas that they didn't hate the dark, only those that lurked inside. This. Only every ambitious person in KH wanted to achieve things for the benefit of their friends/world, and it always ends up turning out horribly. Meanwhile, people like Sora, who don't actively seek a way to solve problems, automatically make everything better just by being there.Doesn't seem fair to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esumsoraroxas 48 Posted July 15, 2012 Ambition is the desire for personal achievement. So, no what Aqua did does not count as ambition. I would say that the reason it's portrayed this way in KH is because, in some ways, ambition can become selfish. If you become to ambitious, you start to lose sight of the people around you, in favor of doing only what you would want to do. So, in KH, when people get too ambitious that is what happens, while the people of the light tend to not care about their own ambitions, but the benefits of the greater good. KH is a world that has a good and bad morality scale, which has some differences from reality's morality scale. They touched on it a bit in KH2, which I liked, when Sora and Riku told Xemnas that they didn't hate the dark, only those that lurked inside. I got you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Riku 2,063 Posted July 15, 2012 Pretty much. Ambition = Evil in the KH universe... Sora has ambition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samantha Dominis 25 Posted July 15, 2012 I don't think with Terra it was as much temptation as it was being tricked and misled. Yeah, he wanted to get stronger to protect his friends and prove to Master Eraqus that he had what it took to be a master. But he kept running into all the villeins in the different worlds, except for Disney Town, and he thought he was doing the right thing by helping them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Tery 4,591 Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) This. Only every ambitious person in KH wanted to achieve things for the benefit of their friends/world, and it always ends up turning out horribly. Meanwhile, people like Sora, who don't actively seek a way to solve problems, automatically make everything better just by being there. Doesn't seem fair to me. I wouldn't say everyone, considering that Master Xehanort was just about always in it for himself. I mean sure he felt like the universe was too off balance when it came to light and darkness, but he decided that he had the right to just use people to get what he wanted. But, you do have a point, Sora doesn't ever seem to know what he's doing, but in the end he somehow manages to get shit done. lol Edited July 15, 2012 by Ertyx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 5,715 Posted July 15, 2012 I don't think Xehanort himself is a figure of Temptation, given that he doesn't really tempt anyone in BBS (in spite of the attempt at making it appear as though Terra is on the edge, he is never truly tempted to do anything dark or evil [mind control and manipulation is not Temptation. Temptation requires a certain level of will behind it]). The real allegory for Temptation is the Darkness itself. It offers the power and strength to give people what they want, so long as they embrace it fully: it doesn't come out an say "Hey, I'm gonna make you evil," but rather plays on the already existing desires of the individual, promosing to make the attaining of these desires easier than usual, making it harder and harder for them not to want it, which is ultimately what Temptation is. This can be seen in Ansem the Wise, who, wanting revenge, is willing to use the powers of Darkness to make it so, and in Riku, who wants to protect Kairi and stay the strongest, and begins to slowly expand his use of Dark powers. 1 hatok reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559 Posted July 15, 2012 Fear doesn't always lead to obsession with power. Fear allows us to move on and grow as people. It's when you let the fear control you that you begin to lose yourself. There's far more to fear than just a hunger for power. Master Xehanort let his fear and ambition control him to the point that he lost sight of the fact that he's just using people over and over and over, just to get what he wants. yup what an awesome guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob 5,571 Posted July 15, 2012 DAT YOUNG AND STRONG BODY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
