IDK if this topic was post before, I have no means of finding out, so anyways...

 

I just wanted to know if anyone else is convinced that this connection between Ventus, Lea and Isa/Roxas (or Xion), Axel and Lea has anything to do with, let's say jealousy. I mean, playing that dark mess of a game Days is kinda give me slight vibes of this idea. But then seeing that cutscene with Ventus, Lea and Isa pretty much got me thinking. It could have been foreshadowing to this "subplot" if you could call it that.

 

I can't wait to see where Square takes this, I absolutely love plots like this. It's so relatable; you know when a new guy/girl comes around and your friend ditches you, and sometimes they team up to make fun of- aaaaaand I digress.

 

Hopefully in the next game or maybe even another side game (I personally don't mind them) they could show us what happened between BBS and Days.

I can tell you where it's gonna take us in KH3 : An epic, dramatic showdown between Isa and Lea. Mark my words . It will happen .

 

 

Also it is part jealousy and there is a ton of foreshadowing going on in BBS... However I think a lot of the rift was due to Saix/Isa being norted and slowly becoming more and more Xehanort while Axel started growing a heart through his new relationships he made and changed in a different way but yet in two different directions.

If there is an ultimate showdown between Lea and Isa, I better be playing as Lea instead of watching the fight.

If there is an ultimate showdown between Lea and Isa, I better be playing as Lea instead of watching the fight.

 

Heck yeah!!!!!!

I can tell you where it's gonna take us in KH3 : An epic, dramatic showdown between Isa and Lea. Mark my words . It will happen .

 

 

Also it is part jealousy and there is a ton of foreshadowing going on in BBS... However I think a lot of the rift was due to Saix/Isa being norted and slowly becoming more and more Xehanort while Axel started growing a heart through his new relationships he made and changed in a different way but yet in two different directions.

 

It better happen.

 

If anything, he doesn't really feel much like Xehanort. At least Xehanort has a personailty. I predict that this thing Saix has against Lea was personal, not by Nort's means. I mean read Axel's journal entry in Days, it makes ya feel like this friendship began to fall apart recently when Roxas came around.

If there is an ultimate showdown between Lea and Isa, I better be playing as Lea instead of watching the fight.

 

It better happen.

 

If anything, he doesn't really feel much like Xehanort. At least Xehanort has a personailty. I predict that this thing Saix has against Lea was personal, not by Nort's means. I mean read Axel's journal entry in Days, it makes ya feel like this friendship began to fall apart recently when Roxas came around.

 

 

 

 

 What happens to the hearts of those who have had Master Xehanort’s heart planted within them?

Nomura: They’ll gradually be swallowed by it. As for Master Xehanort, he plans to control them completely. The planted parts of the heart are captured rather than disappear.

 

You really think that this didn't have anything to with their rift ? Also Isa DID have a personality . Saix however changed dramatically. As you can see in DDD he had no emotion and was like a puppet . Why ? Because he's under Xehanorts control. In Day's they were still friends and planning a rebellion up until Axel went rogue towards the end . But as Axel said- It was Saix who changed over this time period. Saix thought it was Axel who changed ( which he did once he started growing a heart ) This caused a major rift and ended their plan to take over - If you read all the reports in Days you will see that . Also , if you remember, Axel didn't really start growing a heart until he spent time around both Roxas and Sora ( who had hearts) which helped him grow and nurture a new heart - unlike Saix who was norted and became more and more a dick . Axel didn't like how Saix changed but still tried to keep both friendships going till he was forced to choose . The breakdown of their friendship is shown during the whole game..

Hopefully in the next game or maybe even another side game (I personally don't mind them) they could show us what happened between BBS and Days.

Actually I could see this happening in KH3 already, in like flashbacks or something. Would be nice. It's very cruel to let us in the dark about this very important between-thingy anyways, so c'mon Nomura~

 

 

I can tell you where it's gonna take us in KH3 : An epic, dramatic showdown between Isa and Lea. Mark my words . It will happen .

 

If there is an ultimate showdown between Lea and Isa, I better be playing as Lea instead of watching the fight.

It better happens. And it better will have a happy outcome.

Like I said before, I want to cry at least 10 times during KH III.  It better be tear jerking and the confrontation between the three of them should be no less!  I want my heart to kicked around...in a good way!

I'm pretty terrified of the inevitable showdown between former best friends Isa and Lea. Because if Isa dies for good and Lea has to be the one to kill him... It's just awful. I Hope Lea can save Isa but being as Isa has beend... Norted.... I just don't know

 

 What happens to the hearts of those who have had Master Xehanort’s heart planted within them?

Nomura: They’ll gradually be swallowed by it. As for Master Xehanort, he plans to control them completely. The planted parts of the heart are captured rather than disappear.

 

You really think that this didn't have anything to with their rift ? Also Isa DID have a personality . Saix however changed dramatically. As you can see in DDD he had no emotion and was like a puppet . Why ? Because he's under Xehanorts control. In Day's they were still friends and planning a rebellion up until Axel went rogue towards the end . But as Axel said- It was Saix who changed over this time period. Saix thought it was Axel who changed ( which he did once he started growing a heart ) This caused a major rift and ended their plan to take over - If you read all the reports in Days you will see that . Also , if you remember, Axel didn't really start growing a heart until he spent time around both Roxas and Sora ( who had hearts) which helped him grow and nurture a new heart - unlike Saix who was norted and became more and more a dick . Axel didn't like how Saix changed but still tried to keep both friendships going till he was forced to choose . The breakdown of their friendship is shown during the whole game..

 

 

*whiny teenager mode activated* but that would be so laaayme.

 

But in all seriousness the main cause of Xehanort's heart sounds very anti-climatic. It's predictable and has very little.. well.. shock value for lack of a better word. But hey, Nomura basically says he has some surprises in store for us. I would expect that Xehanort's heart will play a major part, but the internal conflict would just be the icing on the cake.

It better happens. And it better will have a happy outcome.

 

I can see Isa dying in the end.

Like I said before, I want to cry at least 10 times during KH III.  It better be tear jerking and the confrontation between the three of them should be no less!  I want my heart to kicked around...in a good way!

 

I want my heart to be tied to a bomb, anticipating every moment during its final countdown. If KH3 will be the best in the series it better make me cry for once.

I'm pretty terrified of the inevitable showdown between former best friends Isa and Lea. Because if Isa dies for good and Lea has to be the one to kill him... It's just awful. I Hope Lea can save Isa but being as Isa has beend... Norted.... I just don't know

 

If Xehanort dies, would everyone else be rid of his heart?

I Never thought of it like that. If Xehanort does die perhaps the ones who were norted will become free again. That would be nice

*whiny teenager mode activated* but that would be so laaayme.

 

But in all seriousness the main cause of Xehanort's heart sounds very anti-climatic. It's predictable and has very little.. well.. shock value for lack of a better word. But hey, Nomura basically says he has some surprises in store for us. I would expect that Xehanort's heart will play a major part, but the internal conflict would just be the icing on the cake.

 

I can see Isa dying in the end.

 

I want my heart to be tied to a bomb, anticipating every moment during its final countdown. If KH3 will be the best in the series it better make me cry for once.

 

If Xehanort dies, would everyone else be rid of his heart?

 

I wouldn't call it anti- climatic. We don't know if Isa/ Saix can be saved or if he'll die. Also , I do think there is some personal conflicts between the two and there were jealousy issues along with that- it's just not the sole/main reason .. Also, we don't know who all the Norts are yet or even who the lights are.There is a lot of things that need answered ..So the surprise factor is pretty high for KH3

I Never thought of it like that. If Xehanort does die perhaps the ones who were norted will become free again. That would be nice

 

But, does his heart slowly replace the heart it has infected? Like say his heart completely devours another and he dies. There would be nothing left of the original heart, so...

I wouldn't call it anti- climatic. We don't know if Isa/ Saix can be saved or if he'll die. Also , I do think there is some personal conflicts between the two and there were jealousy issues along with that- it's just not the sole/main reason .. Also, we don't know who all the Norts are yet or even who the lights are.There is a lot of things that need answered ..So the surprise factor is pretty high for KH3

 

I mean that the entire cause of the friendship being destroyed because of Xehanort's heart or Lea growing a heart being the sole purpose is anti-climatic. I'm a literature nerd, sorry if I sound like I'm expecting too much from KH3, but who wouldn't? Whether he lives or dies? Idk, but I think the impact of the outcome really depends on everything else building up to it. We don't have much to take from at the moment which is why I would like to see what else went on off screen. I just really hope the developers don't just toss it aside or put very little thought into it.

I mean that the entire cause of the friendship being destroyed because of Xehanort's heart or Lea growing a heart being the sole purpose is anti-climatic. I'm a literature nerd, sorry if I sound like I'm expecting too much from KH3, but who wouldn't? Whether he lives or dies? Idk, but I think the impact of the outcome really depends on everything else building up to it. We don't have much to take from at the moment which is why I would like to see what else went on off screen. I just really hope the developers don't just toss it aside or put very little thought into it.

 

Still- it's not anti-climatic. There is a lot at stake regardless bc of Isa being norted and how it destroyed their friendship. There are many layers to this conflict and for once it actually makes it possible to feel some empathy for a character that didn't have much to sympathize with previously .It adds another layer to Saix he didn't have before .

Still- it's not anti-climatic. There is a lot at stake regardless bc of Isa being norted and how it destroyed their friendship. There are many layers to this conflict and for once it actually makes it possible to feel some empathy for a character that didn't have much to sympathize with previously .It adds another layer to Saix he didn't have before .

 

I don't think your getting what I'm talking about, of course we have so much suspense as to what will happen to everyone in the end, but the events that lead up to it... It could be seem coming a mile away (except to someone that doesn't pay attention to the story as much).  That is!.. Unless we are introduced to some never before seen details.

Yes, there are many layers, but what I want to know is all of them Square has to offer, not just what we were presented on screen in the media we have now.

I don't think your getting what I'm talking about, of course we have so much suspense as to what will happen to everyone in the end, but the events that lead up to it... It could be seem coming a mile away (except to someone that doesn't pay attention to the story as much).  That is!.. Unless we are introduced to some never before seen details.

Yes, there are many layers, but what I want to know is all of them Square has to offer, not just what we were presented on screen in the media we have now.

 

I get what you are talking about .I just don't agree .There are many things we just don't know to call it predictable.

I get what you are talking about .I just don't agree .There are many things we just don't know to call it predictable.

 

You said that the main purpose of the friendship being demolished is because of this heart business, If that was the over all reason, by this discussion about it being proof of that, that would be predictable. If something else happened that we don't know of also contributed to the conflict, it wouldn't be predictable because we don't know what it is in the first place.

You said that the main purpose of the friendship being demolished is because of this heart business, If that was the over all reason, by this discussion about it being proof of that, that would be predictable. If something else happened that we don't know of also contributed to the conflict, it wouldn't be predictable because we don't know what it is in the first place.

 

There are still events that went down that we just don't know the hows and why's of concerning how they lost their hearts, how Saix was a successful nort despite being a traitor, and etc etc that we just don't know. Being able to discuss one part of the situation in itself doesn't make it predictable. You are just basically whining at this point . If you played Days and read all the reports you can see the friendship break down before your very eyes . But it's just one chapter . There is a long time period before this where Saix and Axel lost their hearts, joined the org , and planned a rebellion due to not trusting Xemnas all while one of them was norted despite wanting to betray Xemnas. They were not apprentices but lost their hearts in the lab and it was after the apprentices did. . There are many unanswered questions going on to call it predictable .Things that people keep wanting to know the answers to. Unless you have the answers to such things( which you don't ) then you can hardly argue that.. Using your logic just discussing any part of the plot in KH makes it predictable which is ridiculous.

Edited December 20, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea

I can see Isa dying in the end.

Well, then Nomura will die as well. Although the possibility is there, I can see it too. Seriously, I want a happy end, dammit.

*whiny teenager mode activated* but that would be so laaayme.

 

But in all seriousness the main cause of Xehanort's heart sounds very anti-climatic. It's predictable and has very little.. well.. shock value for lack of a better word. But hey, Nomura basically says he has some surprises in store for us. I would expect that Xehanort's heart will play a major part, but the internal conflict would just be the icing on the cake.

I don't get how the living hell it would be predictable in the slightest bit when NO ONE but Nomura knew for sure why Saix acted the way he did until KH3D.

 

You are an ignoramus.

 

Have a good day.

I don't get how the living hell it would be predictable in the slightest bit when NO ONE but Nomura knew for sure why Saix acted the way he did until KH3D.

 

You are an ignoramus.

 

Have a good day.

 

Do you not know the meaning of predictable? We are not talking about 3d, we are talking about 3. And the fact that we already know based off of info from the games, it would be predictable if that was the complete reason to the friendship being destroyed. That is if they make that the ultimate reason.

There are still events that went down that we just don't know the hows and why's of concerning how they lost their hearts(<-irrelevant to what I am talking about), how Saix was a successful nort despite being a traitor, and etc etc that we just don't know. Being able to discuss one part of the situation in itself doesn't make it predictable. You are just basically whining at this point . If you played Days and read all the reports you can see the friendship break down before your very eyes . But it's just one chapter . (and I am looking for other chapters as mentioned before) There is a long time period before this where Saix and Axel lost their hearts, joined the org , and planned a rebellion due to not trusting Xemnas all while one of them was norted despite wanting to betray Xemnas. They were not apprentices but lost their hearts in the lab and it was after the apprentices did. . There are many unanswered questions going on to call it predictable .Things that people keep wanting to know the answers to. Unless you have the answers to such things( which you don't ) then you can hardly argue that.(Duh. That is why I want to know more unknown info from 3) Using your logic just discussing any part of the plot in KH makes it predictable which is ridiculous. (Correction: If we discuss how something will end or happen based off of stuff we already know, that is called prediction)

 

Dude. You are not getting what I am saying. If the reason for the friendship being torn apart does happen to be only be because of the hearts and what we already know about them, that would be predictable because we already predicted what that would be the reason in this thread That's is what I am talking about! That is the only thing I am calling predictable! I'm not talking about how they lost they hearts being predictable and yadayadayada, I am talking about the reason you listed based off of info we already have being the only reason why the friendship got destroyed in the end. Stay focused. And remember how I told you what I want from KH3 is to see what else happened that we don't know of that could have contributed to the the friendship getting destroyed? Yeah.

 

Am I clear now?

Edited December 20, 201311 yr by AbioFlesh

Dude. You are not getting what I am saying. If the reason for the friendship being torn apart does happen to be only be because of the hearts and what we already know about them, that would be predictable because we already predicted what that would be the reason in this thread That's is what I am talking about! That is the only thing I am calling predictable! I'm not talking about how they lost they hearts being predictable and yadayadayada, I am talking about the reason you listed based off of info we already have being the only reason why the friendship got destroyed in the end. Stay focused. And remember how I told you what I want from KH3 is to see what else happened that we don't know of that could have contributed to the the friendship getting destroyed? Yeah.

 

Am I clear now?

 

What part of i just don't agree with you don't you get ?  I get what you are saying and I just DO NOT AGREE. Discussing this DOES NOT MAKE IT PREDICTABLE BC THERE IS MUCH STILL WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT AND THE WHYS AND HOWS . DO YOU GET IT YET ? How many times do i have to type this ? And I'm a girl . Learn to not make assumptions. Looks to me if someone does not agree with you then you think they do not understand . Get over it .

 

"Correction: If we discuss how something will end or happen based off of stuff we already know, that is called prediction"  WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS AND THE HOWS AND WHYS OF THE SITUATION SO DISCUSSING WHAT WE THINK OF THIS IS CONSIDERED THE SAME THING BUT USING YOUR LOGIC  "IT"S PREDICTABLE AND BORING" >DO YOU NOT SEE HOW HYPOCRITICAL THIS IS TO SAY ? This is due to the fact that you seem to be unhappy with the idea that being norted might have affected this situation so you want to whine and complain about me pointing out why it's not what you are saying .Deal with it .I don't care if you agree with me .It doesn't change that we do not know these things .IF YOU FIGURED OUT WHAT I"M SAYING-I'M SAYING THESE FACTORS COULD'VE AFFECTED THE SITUATION AS WELL.HOW THEY LOST THEIR HEARTS ISN'T IRRELEVANT BC THERE COULD'VE BEEN THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT HELPED CAUSED THIS SITUATION . THERE ARE DETAILS ABOUT HOW THIS SHIT HAPPENED THAT WE DO NOT KNOW THAT COULD'VE AFFECTED THE RELATIONSHIP AS WELL. SAIX LOOKS TO HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN NORTED WHEN HE LOST HIS HEART- POSSIBLY BY MAYBE BEING A VICTIM OF THE EXPERIMENTS OF THE APPRENTICES. THEY WERE BOTH TRYING TO SNEAK INTO THE CASTLE PREVIOUSLY.HOW IS THAT IRRELEVANT ? IT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW- THAT MIGHT HAVE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE CURRENT SITUATION .DO YOU GET IT YET ? The funny part of this is , is that i'm telling you that there might be personal reasons due to what happened to him being norted that could've caused him to have separate personal issues or resentment which could've caused more reasons for a rift and you cannot see what i'm saying isn't additional info we do not know and also that it's not solely bc he's norted and controlled but maybe bc of other circumstances surrounding these events we just do not know it also contributed . Like my first post said, it might've been the main reason but not the only reason . There were other factors going on mentioned that all together made a 'perfect storm' and this is the result. Raziel was trying to basically say how can you call something predictable that Nomura has been writing by the seat of his pants and retcons as he goes ?

Edited December 20, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea

*headdesk* Calm down, don't flame up (pun intended).

Gosh I love me a good nerdy debate. Much better than politics. Lighten up.

• I suggested that the ultimate purpose is the whole jealousy thingie. Maybe I just have forgotten to include this "Due to these issues, Saix must have began to go more and more towards darkness" do you think?
• I probably should have used "stimulating reason" instead of "main reason", should have gotten the point across.
• I don't care whether you agree with me or not, I'm just a little bit livid that you are misinterpreting what I am saying.
• Announcing yourself as a girl was very random, I don't see what brought you to tell me that.
• Walls of text are rather painful to read
• Be frugal with your caps lock
• You are telling me that "there are things we don't know" and over and I over and I embraced that. Yet your still telling me that.
• "pre·dict  (pr-dkt)
  v. pre·dict·ed, pre·dict·ing, pre·dicts
  v.tr.

  To state, tell about, or make known in advance, especially on the basis of special knowledge."

   

  When I am saying that the idea that the friendship began to plummet mainly because/or was kick-started by one heart is going into the darkness while another is growing the whatever is predictable... It is because we got that information from an available source prior to the release of the next game. I am not calling anything that we don't know predictable because I don't even know what is it in the first place.
• "THEY WERE BOTH TRYING TO SNEAK INTO THE CASTLE PREVIOUSLY.HOW IS THAT IRRELEVANT ?" *sigh* I think I know the problem now. You think that I am discussing what could have happened to contribute to the broken friendship. I am not discussing what actually happens. All I did was suggest that there should be a more ulterior cause and other causes that we don't know of yet (blue text: you keep on talking to me as if I don't understand it, I admitted it from the beginning), not what the cause is. Though I did suggest that jealousy pushed the plunger and started the slow implosion. I was thinking more that the growing infection of Saix's heart was an effect to that.

Okay? Are we clear now?

 

SO on another note, I recall you saying something about Saix being puppet, I find that ironic that he's the puppet now.

Edited December 20, 201311 yr by AbioFlesh

*headdesk* Calm down, don't flame up (pun intended).

Gosh I love me a good nerdy debate. Much better than politics. Lighten up.

• I suggested that the ultimate purpose is the whole jealousy thingie. Maybe I just have forgotten to include this "Due to these issues, Saix must have began to go more and more towards darkness" do you think?
• I probably should have used "stimulating reason" instead of "main reason", should have gotten the point across.
• I don't care whether you agree with me or not, I'm just a little bit livid that you are misinterpreting what I am saying.
• Announcing yourself as a girl was very random, I don't see what brought you to tell me that.
• Walls of text are rather painful to read
• Be frugal with your caps lock
• You are telling me that "there are things we don't know" and over and I over and I embraced that. Yet your still telling me that.
• "pre·dict  (pr-dkt)
  v. pre·dict·ed, pre·dict·ing, pre·dicts
  v.tr.

  To state, tell about, or make known in advance, especially on the basis of special knowledge."

   

  When I am saying that the idea that the friendship began to plummet mainly because/or was kick-started by one heart is going into the darkness while another is growing the whatever is predictable... It is because we got that information from an available source prior to the release of the next game. I am not calling anything that we don't know predictable because I don't even know what is it in the first place.
• "THEY WERE BOTH TRYING TO SNEAK INTO THE CASTLE PREVIOUSLY.HOW IS THAT IRRELEVANT ?" *sigh* I think I know the problem now. You think that I am discussing what could have happened to contribute to the broken friendship. I am not discussing what actually happens. All I did was suggest that there should be a more ulterior cause and other causes that we don't know of yet (blue text: you keep on talking to me as if I don't understand it, I admitted it from the beginning), not what the cause is. Though I did suggest that jealousy pushed the plunger and started the slow implosion. I was thinking more that the growing infection of Saix's heart was an effect to that.

Okay? Are we clear now?

 

SO on another note, I recall you saying something about Saix being puppet, I find that ironic that he's the puppet now.

 

 I am not upset just annoyed that you keep saying i'm not understanding you 

1- Jealousy definitely plays a part but it's far from the major reasoning . We have two characters who changed in two very different directions.If these changes hadn't occurred, the plot would'nt have ended up the same .

 

2-You called me a dude so I told you i'm a girl .Pretty obvious reason why I said that.

 

3-I don't care if you find a paragraph hard to read. 

 

4- I use my caps as much as you like using different colors for your points. Deal with it .

 

5- You think bc we know this info it's predictable when it's not .Sometimes some info or scenarios need to be presented beforehand in some fashion  or people complain that it came out of nowhere and hate on it . ( ex: biggest complaint on Time Travel on this site ) Setting up the next game happens in EVERY GAME .It doesn't make it predictable and you don't need to tell me what it means .Once again I JUST DON'T AGREE.

 

6- As for your last point - I already told you I agree that jealousy takes a part and that I do think there are underlying personal  issues that go with that and possibly resentment and other emotions that came along the way in this storyline between the two .I think it's multi- faceted . However , this  doesn't negate the fact that Saix becoming norted and Axel growing a new heart ( which changed their behavior and thus eventually their friendship and interactions) didn't ultimately end up exploding this relationship. If Axel had become successfully norted too instead of growing a new heart would this still have happened ? Most likely not. There is a time period from the past that is unexplained where i'm saying there could be those 'ulterior motives'  that come from related circumstances to how this stuff went down . Xehanort needs a vessel to fall to darkness to help nort them successfully. Why was Saix a succesful nort and not Axel when all the org members were intended vessels? They were both traitors trying to rebel ...it's unanswered. Thats what i'm saying. Maybe the answers to this lead to other ulterior reasons- things we just don't know yet . I wouldn't call that predictable when there are so many parts of this that aren't addressed yet compared to what is presented . Providing some details when much isn't disclosed yet is not predictable. The only thing predictable is the obvious dramatic showdown that will happen in KH3. Finally , yes there is some irony to Saix being a puppet .It's kinda funny considering....

Edited December 20, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea