I recently saw the E3 trailer for BBS, and it made me think who the secret boss really is. It can't be Xemnas, because Xehanort hadn't lost his heart for a while after the events of BBS. But remember when he locked the heart (we don't know which one) at the end of BBS? Maybe that person had created a Nobody and a Heartless from THAT heart before Ansem SoD/Xemnas was even created. That's my theory, what do you guys think? ***I think the boss was the Nobody of Terra or MX, but most likely Terra***.

I'm pretty sure the boss has a role in the story considering the fact that you have to fight it in the Land of Departure (and the LoD was destroyed), so the fight must take place during the current story. You have to fight the Vanitas Sentiment after you complete the story, making it not as important.

 

Remember the mirage Arena? could be one of those bosses.

 

I'm pretty sure the boss has a role in the story considering the fact that you have to fight it in the Land of Departure (and the LoD was destroyed), so the fight must take place during the current story. You have to fight the Vanitas Sentiment after you complete the story, making it not as important.

 

Remember the mirage Arena? could be one of those bosses.

 

 

The Mirage Arena bosses are called "The Mirage Arena Bosses" for a reason. Plus, it's a secret boss. A boss that pertains to the story. The Mirage Arena has nothing to do with the story, it's just for fun. So no.

 

 

I'm pretty sure the boss has a role in the story considering the fact that you have to fight it in the Land of Departure (and the LoD was destroyed), so the fight must take place during the current story. You have to fight the Vanitas Sentiment after you complete the story, making it not as important.

 

Remember the mirage Arena? could be one of those bosses.

 

 

The Mirage Arena bosses are called "The Mirage Arena Bosses" for a reason. Plus, it's a secret boss. A boss that pertains to the story. The Mirage Arena has nothing to do with the story, it's just for fun. So no.

 

Plus, Nomura's said that this secret boss keeps the same mystery all KH secret bosses have, and they've all been canon.

It could possibly relate to the story of Kingdom Hearts 3D. I mean, that is the next main game coming out.

It could, although we don't know much about that game yet. It could relate to that, the unofficial KH3, or a game even later in the future

So, interesting note: he's already being called the Emphatic Entity by fans.

really? fans where?

Elsewhere. Not here. I just find it interesting how quickly he's gotten a fan name. It took a while longer to name the past mysterious figures though iirc, even though they were certainly simpler. Remember BHK or GEF? Good times, good times.

The new secret boss coud very well be anybody. Ansem Sod and Xemnas both were more built when they came do be through the Heartless and Nobody parts of the games. And Vanitas sentiment could prove to be important in future games, much like the Lingering Sentiment. I think the new cloak person could be part of a bigger organization. I remember Ansem the Wise stating in one of his reports that Xehanort started the Organization, but didn't specify if MX or his apprentice. The organization we know were split up for CO. The rest of the Org. could be a bigger group. Here are some of my theories about the two secret bosses.

 

1. Both could have an influence on the future, maybe the Keyblade wars.

2. Vanitas could have an effect on Sora and/or Roxas in the next major game.

3. There could be a bigger orgization.

4. Both could be a result of what happened to Ven.

5. By Sora maybe helping Terra, Aqua, and Ven could bring about a force stronger than Vanitas or the 15th member.

 

Like with all games we will have to wait and see what happens.

The new secret boss coud very well be anybody. Ansem Sod and Xemnas both were more built when they came do be through the Heartless and Nobody parts of the games. And Vanitas sentiment could prove to be important in future games, much like the Lingering Sentiment. I think the new cloak person could be part of a bigger organization. I remember Ansem the Wise stating in one of his reports that Xehanort started the Organization, but didn't specify if MX or his apprentice. The organization we know were split up for CO. The rest of the Org. could be a bigger group. Here are some of my theories about the two secret bosses.

 

1. Both could have an influence on the future, maybe the Keyblade wars.

2. Vanitas could have an effect on Sora and/or Roxas in the next major game.

3. There could be a bigger orgization.

4. Both could be a result of what happened to Ven.

5. By Sora maybe helping Terra, Aqua, and Ven could bring about a force stronger than Vanitas or the 15th member.

 

Like with all games we will have to wait and see what happens.

 

15th member?

I'm pretty sure the boss has a role in the story considering the fact that you have to fight it in the Land of Departure (and the LoD was destroyed), so the fight must take place during the current story. You have to fight the Vanitas Sentiment after you complete the story, making it not as important.

 

There's no way you fight that during the main story. It sounds like this secret boss tops all the other secret bosses in sheer difficulty.

My guess is that you interact with a sort of portal, like in KH2FM when you reach the lingering sentiment.

There's no way they would put in a boss the developers couldn't beat at level 99 in during the story.

Sephiroth was ridiculously hard, but you still could fight him during the main story. I'm not saying the secret boss is apart of the main story, like the story for the JP BBS, I'm saying that he could pertain to the actual story itself indirectly until after whichever game he's going to be in is released.

Sephiroth was ridiculously hard, but you still could fight him during the main story. I'm not saying the secret boss is apart of the main story, like the story for the JP BBS, I'm saying that he could pertain to the actual story itself indirectly until after whichever game he's going to be in is released.

 

Oh, I thought you were saying you fought the boss before the Land of Departure was destroyed, like as part of the story.

My bad.

No problem.

15th member?

15th member?

 

People think that because this person wears a cloak, it's the 15th member of Organization XIII

 

15th member?

 

People think that because this person wears a cloak, it's the 15th member of Organization XIII

 

Inorite? Getting kinda tiring. I mean, it's not exactly difficult to realize that

 

1. The Organization wasn't created yet.

2. You don't have to be a member to wear the coat.

I was told by a good friend of mine who has a ton of connections that the boss fight occurs in an added Mirage Arena battle, which would mean that it has no real impact on the story and that the fact that it takes place in a Land of Departure setting means nothing at all timeline wise. It could very well be anyone, but I'm still kind of leaning towards Xemnas or maybe another well known BBS character.........

I was told by a good friend of mine who has a ton of connections that the boss fight occurs in an added Mirage Arena battle, which would mean that it has no real impact on the story and that the fact that it takes place in a Land of Departure setting means nothing at all timeline wise. It could very well be anyone, but I'm still kind of leaning towards Xemnas or maybe another well known BBS character.........

 

Though Nomura already confirmed the character to be canon, and is a similar case to the Lingering Sentiment. Basically this secret boss exists at the time of BBS, but it makes no sense for him to be there at this time.

 

For example: it was totally obvious that LS was connected to Terra in some way. Back when KH2FM was first released, theories were flying everywhere that LS is Terra, yet just by looking at Xemnas, it makes no sense for Terra to be in the Keyblade Graveyard when he's supposed to be busy commanding the Organization.

 

Oh, and it can't be Xemnas because he hasn't been born yet.

Yeah, there can't be a 15th member if the first member hasn't even been born yet. Might be member 0, though I highly doubt it. This is a wild guess, but he could be the broken memories of Ven or something like that. But with what Tetsuya (I want to know why he likes to mess with our brains all the damn time) has been saying, he's definitely got something to do with the next major game. And he's not going to just tell us. We had all better be on the lookout for the smallest of details.

..GUYS.

 

THE. FREAKING. CLOAK. DOESN'T. INDICATE. A. MEMBERSHIP. IN. THE. ORGANIZATION.

It could be anyone, he hasn't got to be linked to the Organization, remember, Ansem the Wise, Riku and Mickey also wore those cloaks...

 

The only evidence we have are his laser swords.

..GUYS.

 

THE. FREAKING. CLOAK. DOESN'T. INDICATE. A. MEMBERSHIP. IN. THE. ORGANIZATION.

It could be anyone, he hasn't got to be linked to the Organization, remember, Ansem the Wise, Riku and Mickey also wore those cloaks...

 

The only evidence we have are his laser swords.

 

Yeah, a few of us has mentioned this over and over. Doesn't seem like many people actually read it though :

Here is another idea I recently thought of. Before Ansem the Wise and Aqua meet, the words "Two who never were meant to meet" pop up. Then I look at the build of the mystery person, and ATW in his black cloak and the mystery guy HAVE THE SAME BUILD (imo). Let's say Ansem the Wise IS the secret boss, I could explain the Ethreal Blades. Xehanort was his closest apprentice, so it would make sense for Ansem to pass down his weapons to Xehanort, or Xehanort could have stolen them and Xemnas found them. "Two who were never meant to meet." This may refer to the boss battle, because maybe Aqua never found out the identity of the person she fought, and the irony of them meeting again may back up that phrase.

 

So this is one of my many theories on this subject, enjoy.

that sounds true good theory

Man, this is hurting my head.

 

The boss does exhibit signs of being a Nobody, though. When he summons his (her? it's?) blades, the Nobody trellis appears. In addition, it has the ability to "duplicate" itself, an ability exhibited by Larxene in FM+. I spent an hour-and-a-half going through all this with my cousin, and now I can't remember it all!