Let's settle this ONCE AND FOR ALL! Star Wars and Marvel Let's END it!

[jj the jet 19]

YES I KNOW THAT IT'S REDUNDANT WHICH IS WHY I AM ATTEMPTING TO END IT WITH FOOD FOR THOUGHT

 

 

 

Now it's time for the big finale folks!

Kingdom Hearts/Star Wars/Marvel

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jason. I am brand new to these forums and joined today. To be completely honest, I am unsure of how much I will participate in these forums. Never the less, I am glad that I can at least participate in this.

 

Second, I would like to make a formal apology to you all. Even though I don't use forums often, I've learned forum ettiquete. This breaks one of those ettiquetes which is posting something that has been talked about.

 

However this isn't simply a "Do you think it should or shouldn't?" kind of post. I've searched through these forums and found and skimmed through several posts already debating this. I see no point in asking anymore seeing as how we know there are people for it, against it or have mixed feelings.

 

Third, my view is "against" but that's not really full point. I don't intend to hurt anyone's thoughts, feelings or opinions. What you like is what you like. So let's just all have a good time . Oh and I may seem a little over the top but hey, things are more fun when they are overly dramatic. Adds to the fun and the atmosphere. Sorry if it drags on.

 

What I want to speak about is having a line and preserving that line to keep certain boundaries in place. So let's get the obvious stuff out the way. We've all seen the disputing points for both sides. "It wouldn't fit or feel like Kingdom Hearts", "Star Wars and Kingdom Hearts are both about light and darkness", "Marvel is also about fighting enimes for the common good".

 

Feeling

 

Before I dive right in. Let's have a few flashbacks shall we? What are some things that we like as a children? I'm sure you can think of a few things. This is where the difference between people begins. As we grew and time went on, some of the things we knew and loved changed. Many of us hated these changes because it ruined our chance of nostalgia for remembering the things we loved for what they were. In a sense it warps our childhood feelings. whereas there are some that welcome these changes. They see them as something new and keep them as part of themselves. Lol ok, that's enough of me attempting to be philosophical now .

 

Lines Borders and Icons

 

Everything that we like has these. It's what brings definition to what something is. The stronger the line, the stronger the definition. The weaker the line, the harder it is to tell something apart that made it special. How do you define Disney? How do yu define Square Enix? How do you define other things? It's not something that's easily described. When we see it, we know. It's how we can tell when something is out of place when foreign elements enter in.

 

Defining these things are supported by the icons we have in our minds. An icon so definitive that not even time can change it. When have you ever seen Disney change it's trademark "Mickey Mouse Ears" to anything else? Never right? Why? Because we all recognize it. It's part of who they are. Now if that icon were to change, then what would that mean? Is it still Disney? Is it the same? Will the feeling change? who knows. Even though there are things that don't change, time can still alter it over time.

 

Think of a few other icons that have definitive traits. Sonic, Mario, Nintendo, Pokemon and many more that I strangely can't think about. Needless to say all of them have went through some form of change or alteration, but for the most part, they are the same (except sonic haha). They still have the things that make them, them. Of course there have been times where they did things that was "out of character" and what not but nothing major.

 

Iconic Giants

 

There are times where icons can grow so large, there isn't anyone that doesn't know about them. I'm talking of course about the two heavyweights in question right now. Yes, Star Wars and Marvel. There's no need to even explain why they are so giant. Along with Disney, they also have the most powerful asset under their belt. Time. They have all been around for ages. Each one having it's own special traits and what not. They each have a unique style that is special only to them and no one else. They are their own thing.

 

Crossing The Line and Borders

 

We all know that when two things are very similar, the line can seem a little more thin when comparing it's relation to something else. For example, DC Universe and Marvel. Most hardcore fans of either of these two will disagree because they know more of the fine points between the two. However for the most part we can say that those are at least in the same category of theming right? Everything has good and evil. Hell Lord of the Rings has good and Evil. That doesn't mean it would go well with Marvel because the theming and styles are completely different whereas DC and Marvel can cross because they are in that same field.

 

Usually when pitting things together, it's due to specific similarities, not just general ones. The best way I can explain this is imagine if it was completely up to a businessman that knows nothing about the gaming audience to make games. Another one would be a grand parent that's trying to buy a game for their grandchild. They don't know anything about gaming. They just lump all games together as games and games are fun and kids will like them. However we all know our what our fine-tuned specifics are.

 

Addressing the debates

 

Star Wars and Marvel

So finally let's cut to the chase. Marvel is it's own thing. Star Wars is it's own thing. Disney is it's own thing, Square Enix is it's own thing. Each one carefully created and built from the ground up with it's own goals and purposes in mind. Each created by a different mind, with different personalities, so on and so forth.

 

To be honest, I can actually imagine Sora and the gang helping Luke because in reality. Star Wars IS about Light and Dark. However I don't think that blending two giants like that is a good idea. Why? Because I think in order to keep lines drawn and definitive. Not only that. Since both Star Wars and Marvel are so iconic, they would be too much of a distraction. Or I should say, they would overshadow Kingdom Hearts. Sometimes you should be more selective or exclusive when adding things. It's nothing more to it than that.

 

What if Disney starts to own other things like Capcom, Pokemon and what not and Tetsuya wanted to add them (Which I know he woulnd't lol) then it won't be what it used to be. Kingdom Hearts will have lost what defined it. It was a rare phenomenon what Disney and Square Enix did. The way I view it, it's Disney with an anime feel.

 

Disney Additions and Originals

Let's tackle another one. Tron and Pirates of the Caribbean and others of the sort. Now I'm not saying just because something originated from Disney, means that it should be in Disney. Hell, that would mean all the cartoon and real life shows on the Disney channel would have a good chance of getting in. Have fun seeing "The Sweet Life of Zack and Codey" in Kingdom Hearts .

 

Tron was a classic movie and the new Tron was simply added because of the times. I for one felt it was unnecessary but it didn't bother me. Same with Pirates. They were they new thing at the time. The difference with those is that they weren't there own thing like the other big giant icons I mentioned before. Were they popular and a big hit? Sure? Even though neither one felt like Disney, it wasn't like they were some difinitive thing that would have a huge impact.

 

Not A Free For All

Kingdom Hearts shouldn't be some kind of game where we just add in whoever we like as if it were some kind of free for all or fantasy draft. This isn't Super Smash Bros. Even then they are selective with the characters they include into their games. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of other things that people would like to see added in to Kingdom Hearts that are not even apart of Marvel and Star Wars. I can imagine certain anime being apart of Kingdom Hearts because they are similar or have some of the same traits. However I know that these traits similarities are taylored for a different style.

 

Kingdom Hearts

 

In conclusion, Kingdom Hearts came this far having it's own unique style. Year down the line, I want to remember Kingdom Hearts as Kingdom Hearts. I'm not saying that what you feel is right or wrong because we all have different feelings thoughts and views so we're not going to be able to picture things the same way. One thing we can all agree on is that we love Kingdom Hearts for what it is and what it has been for the past 10 plus years. It's such a basic and simple concept that draws out our innermost child back to the days of our youth. Everything changes with time, but this is one thing I want to stay the same. Thank you.

 

 

 

Well that's it and there you have it. haha this made the whole issure a lot more serious and dramatic than it needed to be. For the most part I was just bored and wanted to rant.

 

I know there were a lot more points brought up in past debates, plus there a lot more points I wanted to bring up but things kept slipping in and out of my head. Remember, this wasn't about proving who was right and who was wrong but more so on what I believe about defining something. Sorry for this being so long drawn out and boring.

 

Hope you all have a good one!

[Sora96 17,256]

It won't happen. Don't worry.

[Cucco 1,907]

Umm...Kingdom Hearts is about being creative and creating a fantasy from the source material.

It won't happen. Don't worry.

Nothing is confirmed, you don't know everything.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Zola
Edited out "Don't be a jackass"

[esu1549 26]

I don't mind there being a Star Wars world. It would totally feel like Tron or PotC. However, for me, it's harder to imagine swinging with Spider-Man.

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Settle this once and for all?

 

Foolish human, it has only just begun

[sagman12PC 280]

If there is a star wars world yoda will probably be a lost keyblade master i think

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Good luck. This debate is going to go on until KH III releases. None of us can stop it.

[OmegaForte 1,674]

inb4anotherstarwarsmarvelthreadnextweek

[FutureKeybearer 36]

Good luck. This debate is going to go on until KH III releases. None of us can stop it.

Please, this debate will be going on as long as Kingdom Hearts games continue to be made