Xehanort may in fact be the 6th Foreteller theory. (SORT OF SPOILERS)

[AuraAce 1,126]

Now, before I say this theory, I'm gonna say now, this is a complete longshot of a theory. I haven't thought about this in any depth, it's just a thought that popped into my head.

 

Now then. I have recently been playing KHBBSFMHD Critical because I haven't played much of it. I have been playing in Terra's story and only recently gotten to the final fight in the Keyblade Graveyard. I noticed, when watching the cutscene where Master Xehanort releases his heart, an odd and specific quote. This is said quote, with key phrases emboldened and in capitals. 

 

"At last, our moment is here. Out with the old and brittle vessel, and in with the younger, stronger new one! I SWORE I WOULD SURVIVE... and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War! AND NOW IT IS YOUR DARKNESS THAT SHALL BE THE ARK THAT SUSTAINS ME!"

 

This quote peaked my curiosity. I remembered in the new Re: Coded Secret Cutscene, "Destiny", that Young Xehanort mentions how Master Xehanort's Keyblade is the most ancient, meaning it may or may not be the oldest Keyblade in existence.

 

What if. Master Xehanort is the 6th Foreteller that everyone has been speculating about. What if, the will of the 6th Foreteller was to see what lay beyond the Keyblade War, and in order to see what lay beyond it, he severed his heart with his body to capture a new vessel. And he kept on doing this with more and more vessels in order to survive to see what happened beyond the Keyblade War. What if Terra is just the newest vessel of the 6th Foreteller. It is entirely plausible that this is the case due to the similarities of Master Xehanort's Keyblade and the 5 Foreteller's Keyblades. (Listed below as well as Xehanort's Keyblade.)

 

 

As you can see, Xehanort's Keyblade clearly has the Eye of Darkness on its Keychain, the Eye of Darkness being the blue eye that is also seen on Soul Eater and the Way to Dawn. You can also see that Xehanort's Keyblade holds an animal head near the hilt of the Keyblade, as does the other Foretellers, said animals being (From left to right): Goat, Snake, Leopard, Bear, Unicorn, Fox (I think).

 

Now, I'm not trying to bring religion into this at all, but generally, Goat's skulls are seen evil, dark and satanic. Could this be why Xehanort has this Keyblade? Did the 6th Foreteller get exiled by the 5 other Foretellers for wielding the Darkness in too much quantity? Did the 6th Foreteller pass on his legacy of Darkness unto people who he thought fit to carry on his will to see what lay beyond the Keyblade War?

 

I'd like to know your thoughts on this, if you think this theory is plausible or not.

Edited February 8, 2015 by Scottish Skarmory

[Sorarocks93 678]

Your theory is good. But it depends on one thing. Didn't Chi happen a little before the Keyblade War? So that would mean the 6th Foreteller, if it was Xehanort, would be alive during it and would see what would happen.

 

I dunno, but I do think the 6th Foreteller was the one that caused the first Keyblade War.

[Kingdomxhearts15 0]

This has got to be one of the most interesting, if not the most probable theory I've read to date. It makes so much sense that MX would be some time traveling, vessel stealing darkness that has been latching itself on to host after host for centuries in order to reignite the keyblade war. Something that might add some more depth to the theory is that during BBS in the Final Episode, after you beat Terranort the first time, the darkness (Guardian) comes out to protect Terranort. Maybe this Guardian is the 6th Foreteller?

[AuraAce 1,126]

Didn't Chi happen a little before the Keyblade War?

Actually, now that it has been revealed that Chirithy is some sort of Dream Eater, it is unknown at what time Chi takes place, it could have taken place before the first Keyblade War, it could have taken place during it, hell, it could have taken place while Sora and Riku were in the Realm of Sleep. Now that that is revealed, we don't know when it takes place.

[Sorarocks93 678]

Actually, now that it has been revealed that Chirithy is some sort of Dream Eater, it is unknown at what time Chi takes place, it could have taken place before the first Keyblade War, it could have taken place during it, hell, it could have taken place while Sora and Riku were in the Realm of Sleep. Now that that is revealed, we don't know when it takes place.

The fact that Chirithy is a Dream Eater only confirms the the world in Chi is in sleep. It could however be the Tome of Prophecy, which only means that this is a retelling of events that already happened. Because the Foretelles can't just exist in the same time as the series is happening.

[AuraAce 1,126]

Foretelles can't just exist in the same time as the series is happening.

Ah, but you see. They could be using the same method as Xehanort/The 6th Foreteller. Or, as we've seen, they could be sleeping. Sleeping in KH does not warrant ageing. Since we've seen Ventus in KH3D, in the Chamber of Waking, completely the same as he was in KHBBS.

[Sorarocks93 678]

Ah, but you see. They could be using the same method as Xehanort/The 6th Foreteller. Or, as we've seen, they could be sleeping. Sleeping in KH does not warrant ageing. Since we've seen Ventus in KH3D, in the Chamber of Waking, completely the same as he was in KHBBS.

Well I wasn't really talking about ageing but the fact that no one would notice all these keyblade wielders running around. But then again if they are in the realm of sleep no one would notice them either way although that doesn't really make sense because all those other worlds are in the realm of sleep too yet Sora saved them.

[Forever 3,550]

I hate to be "that guy" but this is kind of an old theory....started around last Fall, I believe. 

 

 

I still believe it, nevertheless! Xehanort is definitely connected to  the 6th Follower, no doubt. As well as Ephemera, and whoever was Young X's and Eraqus's Master. assuming THAT wasn't the 6th Follower, as well.....

Edited February 8, 2015 by Pandy Monium

[AuraAce 1,126]

I hate to be "that guy" but this is kind of an old theory....started around last Fall, I believe. 

 

 

I still believe it, nevertheless! Xehanort is definitely connected to  the 6th Follower, no doubt. As well as Ephemera, and whoever was Young X's and Eraqus's Master. assuming THAT wasn't the 6th Follower, as well.....

I've never seen anyone say that the 6th Foreteller has been jumping from body to body, not his. I know the premise of this theory's old, but not the part I added.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Now, before I say this theory, I'm gonna say now, this is a complete longshot of a theory. I haven't thought about this in any depth, it's just a thought that popped into my head.

 

Now then. I have recently been playing KHBBSFMHD Critical because I haven't played much of it. I have been playing in Terra's story and only recently gotten to the final fight in the Keyblade Graveyard. I noticed, when watching the cutscene where Master Xehanort releases his heart, an odd and specific quote. This is said quote, with key phrases emboldened and in capitals. 

 

"At last, our moment is here. Out with the old and brittle vessel, and in with the younger, stronger new one! I SWORE I WOULD SURVIVE... and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War! AND NOW IT IS YOUR DARKNESS THAT SHALL BE THE ARK THAT SUSTAINS ME!"

 

This quote peaked my curiosity. I remembered in the new Re: Coded Secret Cutscene, "Destiny", that Young Xehanort mentions how Master Xehanort's Keyblade is the most ancient, meaning it may or may not be the oldest Keyblade in existence.

 

What if. Master Xehanort is the 6th Foreteller that everyone has been speculating about. What if, the will of the 6th Foreteller was to see what lay beyond the Keyblade War, and in order to see what lay beyond it, he severed his heart with his body to capture a new vessel. And he kept on doing this with more and more vessels in order to survive to see what happened beyond the Keyblade War. What if Terra is just the newest vessel of the 6th Foreteller. It is entirely plausible that this is the case due to the similarities of Master Xehanort's Keyblade and the 5 Foreteller's Keyblades. (Listed below as well as Xehanort's Keyblade.)

 

 

As you can see, Xehanort's Keyblade clearly has the Eye of Darkness on its Keychain, the Eye of Darkness being the blue eye that is also seen on Soul Eater and the Way to Dawn. You can also see that Xehanort's Keyblade holds an animal head near the hilt of the Keyblade, as does the other Foretellers, said animals being (From left to right): Goat, Snake, Leopard, Bear, Unicorn, Fox (I think).

 

Now, I'm not trying to bring religion into this at all, but generally, Goat's skulls are seen evil, dark and satanic. Could this be why Xehanort has this Keyblade? Did the 6th Foreteller get exiled by the 5 other Foretellers for wielding the Darkness in too much quantity? Did the 6th Foreteller pass on his legacy of Darkness unto people who he thought fit to carry on his will to see what lay beyond the Keyblade War?

 

I'd like to know your thoughts on this, if you think this theory is plausible or not.

Well, Snakes are considered demonic as well, (the whole Satan tempting eve with the forbidden fruit thing) So I don't think that has any bearing on it.

As far as the theory goes, it' possible but from everything we heard, all inhabitants of the old world died save for children (maybe even just the princesses). And Xehanort seems to have no real memory of the original Keyblade War and he was only 20 when he left the island (judging by looks)

 

Of course it's possible that hearts are recycled in Kingdom Hearts (as in, reincarnated into newborn bodies) So maybe the 6th Foreteller's heart came out 90 years ago? That could also be how the princesses hearts have been around since the Keyblade War.

 

I should really do a theory on that whole reincarnation angle

 

Side note, they each seem to represent an element too

Darkness, Ice, Electricity, Earth, Light and Air

Edited February 8, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Forever 3,550]

I've never seen anyone say that the 6th Foreteller has been jumping from body to body, not his. I know the premise of this theory's old, but not the part I added.

Hmmm...makes sense. Young Xehanort did say that his Keyblade was one of the oldest Wills. It being passed down throughout time, and using new bodies to do so, is definitely concievable. Number one reason I think everyone in this universe is reincarnated. They never awoken from the world of Chi, and just in turn, reincarnated/ rebirth until this point in history. Or at least, the main characters anyway. Xehanort says this has happened before....could just all be some freakish limbo.Basically what Isamu said. Their all the same people, man! The Lights, the Fortellers....its kinda creepy, actually. Edited February 8, 2015 by Pandy Monium

[Sorarocks93 678]

What if Ephemera is Eraqus's and MX's master?

 

What if The 6th Foreteller is Ephemera's master and he has MX's keyblade but transfers it to Ephemera just like Master Keeper goes to Aqua.

 

Thing is, Ephemera's name itself has a meaning, but what is it? I'm pretty sure it's not random.

 

/sigh. 

 

KH3 needs to come out already. What's worse is that I think they are going to drag out Chi's story until KH3 is out.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Actually, now that it has been revealed that Chirithy is some sort of Dream Eater, it is unknown at what time Chi takes place, it could have taken place before the first Keyblade War, it could have taken place during it, hell, it could have taken place while Sora and Riku were in the Realm of Sleep. Now that that is revealed, we don't know when it takes place.

Just because Chirithy is a Dream Eater doesn't mean that the timeline takes place during Sora and Riku's timeline. The Keyblade War in every continuity has been portrayed as an ancient clash that took place long before the time of Xehanort and even before his Master's time. This is something that shaped the very structure of the universe as we know it now and not likely to have taken place within the timeframe of the present day story. While it is clear that MX's Keyblade belongs to the Sixth Apprentice but it could be that within MX's Keyblade lies the will of the Sixth Apprentice. There is nowhere near enough information yet to suggest that the Sixth Apprentice is body jumping yet.

[AuraAce 1,126]

Just because Chirithy is a Dream Eater doesn't mean that the timeline takes place during Sora and Riku's timeline.

I didn't say it did, I said it COULD have.

 

There is nowhere near enough information yet to suggest that the Sixth Apprentice is body jumping yet.

That is why it is a THEORY. THEORIES do not rely on a lot of factual information.

Edited February 8, 2015 by Scottish Skarmory

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I didn't say it did, I said it COULD have. That is why it is a THEORY. THEORIES do not rely on a lot of factual information.

Theories do rely on factual information you're thinking of the word speculation. Even speculation at it's core has to have a basis in fact if you're going to argue your point.

[AuraAce 1,126]

Theories do rely on factual information you're thinking of the word speculation. Even speculation at it's core has to have a basis in fact if you're going to argue your point.

I didn't say they didn't rely on factual information, I said they don't rely on a lot of it.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I didn't say they didn't rely on factual information, I said they don't rely on a lot of it.

But a theory does rely solely on factual information in order to be considered credible. That's the difference between a theory and speculation is all I'm getting at.

[khoathkeeper13 429]

I'm not really for the whole reincarnation theory or the body snatching one.  Xehanort was 20-ish when he left the islands, it's implied that he and Eraqus trained together under the same master, and he constantly refers the Keyblade War as a tale.  

It's possible that he inherited his keyblade from their master.  But with how Eraqus is I'm pretty certain whoever their master was would be all "light light light darkness bad" like Eraqus so I doubt that he/she would have any connection to the 6th Foreteller.

Xehanort (I assume, from the teaser trailer) mentions the "lost masters" who I'm 99% sure would be the foretellers.  It's possible he just tracked down the keyblade somehow.  "Lost" could imply they could be found.  Maybe they all were trapped in the Realm of Sleep and are in a state like Ven, making it possible to travel there and acquire the 6th Foreteller's Keyblade.

 

Well, Snakes are considered demonic as well, (the whole Satan tempting eve with the forbidden fruit thing) So I don't think that has any bearing on it.As far as the theory goes, it' possible but from everything we heard, all inhabitants of the old world died save for children (maybe even just the princesses). And Xehanort seems to have no real memory of the original Keyblade War and he was only 20 when he left the island (judging by looks)

 

Of course it's possible that hearts are recycled in Kingdom Hearts (as in, reincarnated into newborn bodies) So maybe the 6th Foreteller's heart came out 90 years ago? That could also be how the princesses hearts have been around since the Keyblade War.I should really do a theory on that whole reincarnation angle

 

Side note, they each seem to represent an element too

Darkness, Ice, Electricity, Earth, Light and Air

The princesses hearts don't necessarily have to have been around since the Keyblade War.  The 7 lights and 13 darknesses are the 20 pieces of the X-blade right?  Well the 13 darknesses haven't been around since the Keyblade War so neither did the 7 lights.  Xehanort said "All of the pieces are destined to appear" or something like that. "Destiny is never left to chance" and all that jazz

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I'm not really for the whole reincarnation theory or the body snatching one.  Xehanort was 20-ish when he left the islands, it's implied that he and Eraqus trained together under the same master, and he constantly refers the Keyblade War as a tale.  

It's possible that he inherited his keyblade from their master.  But with how Eraqus is I'm pretty certain whoever their master was would be all "light light light darkness bad" like Eraqus so I doubt that he/she would have any connection to the 6th Foreteller.

Xehanort (I assume, from the teaser trailer) mentions the "lost masters" who I'm 99% sure would be the foretellers.  It's possible he just tracked down the keyblade somehow.  "Lost" could imply they could be found.  Maybe they all were trapped in the Realm of Sleep and are in a state like Ven, making it possible to travel there and acquire the 6th Foreteller's Keyblade.

 

The princesses hearts don't necessarily have to have been around since the Keyblade War.  The 7 lights and 13 darknesses are the 20 pieces of the X-blade right?  Well the 13 darknesses haven't been around since the Keyblade War so neither did the 7 lights.  Xehanort said "All of the pieces are destined to appear" or something like that. "Destiny is never left to chance" and all that jazz

But the new Organization aren't the true 13 Darknesses either Just the Seekers of Darkness, Just as Mickeys group is just the Guardians of Light and not the true 7 Lights. If the heart's of the Princesses of Hearts are pure light because they are the seven fragments of light from the broken x-Blade, then it stands to reason that the true 13 darknesses would be beings with hearts of pure darkness formed from the darkness of the broken x-Blade

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Not bad theory, but KHX takes place before and during the Keyblade War. Master Xehanort holds the will of the sixth APPRENTICE passed down. The will is to take control of Kingdom Hearts and the entire Realm of Light.

[Kale Harmony 0]

I love your post. Very insightful.Note. This is all specilation and can EASILY be wrong. No Barking please. I'm just letting my imagation fly when it comes to proof no matter how well thought out this may be, or what themes it draws on.It's entirely possible in the post keyblade war, that all the people are the same people, and that much like how everyone forgot Radiant Garden's name when it became a heartless world still functioning in the realm of light, people just don't remember what it was like before the worlds were divided or that a cataclysm even happened.It's also possible that like Data Sora, all the illusion/data worlds grew their own hearts because of the illision/data children being able to "see the heart in something" and make it so "it then becomes real", and that everyone in the original interconnected world did die.Either way, I think it's possible that like the Kingdom Hearts made of hearts and worlds, "The Unknown" may be manipulating everyone in KH X to make a Kingdom Hearts from all the light gathered. Given the world is interconnected and not divided into worlds, enough stolen light could cause a collapse of everything, and set up "The Unknown" (Ansem Sod) to become his own Kingdom Hearts ie The Darkness, and be the only one left ie The Realm of Darkness. Xemnas does ponder if he's all that's left, or all there ever was when considering his true self, before asking Roxas if he remembers his true name.Kingdom Hearts includes many light and dark parrallels in it's storytelling, like Xigbar being "Half Xehanort" and Kairi being both a Princess of Heart and a Gaurdian of Light. Much like Xehanort is visited and manipulated by his Ansem SoD (who has a note written in the room in the part of hallow bastion appearing in The End of the World. (near fighting Chernabog in KHI) about being the "prognosticate of darkness" near those mechanical tomb looking things, talks of "becoming darkness itself", and as one of the princesses put it, had a peaceful grin on his face entering the keyhole to unlock The End of the World), it would not surprise me if Ephemera from KHX (Assuming the storytelling takes place in the sleeping world is found by Ansem and filled with Xehanort's Heart like his yonger self was, creating a link between both post war and pre war, meaning that Every Xehanort incarnation seeks Kingdom Hearts to find themself and be whole and that until then they are incomplete.This also, given my idea that people could have forgotten the war or that the data versions grew they're onw hearts, it's possible both Riku and Xehanort are Special Nobodies of Ephemera. The difference in their time placement in the series deals with the Hearts that created each of them, and their respective roles in the series. Riku having the Keyblade choose him before Sora, and Xehanort seeking the Darkness (Mickey got the Kingdom Key D quite possibly because Xehanort inhereted the Ram Keyblade.)  Master Xehanorts inside Epherema for Young Xehanort, and Kingdom Hearts inside Epherema for Riku. Master Xehanort says that "destiny is never left up to chance" because of his knowledge of the darkness being the catalyst for the plot of every event. (Data Sora mentions darkness's effect this under the wording of how hurt works to Data Roxas given Darkness causes people to harm other people, and that causes other people to take said action in relation to the things they love and enjoy) The Darkness also has much power over the physcial given it's the flipside to the Realm of light. So! If Darkness is able to be aware of itself (Given it's the ultimate outcome to Ephemera-Nort making a Kingdom Hearts just for him out of the True one), then any of the Xehanorts have whatever knowledge and power the Darkness wishes to give them, and given the sheer power they just with darkness alone have, and the goal Master Xehanort is working towards, it's seemingly unlikely he wouldn't have just destroyed his opposition, in the way to forming the 7/13 clash. The way they guide and challenge via the manipulation the characters is fasicnating, and made Master Xehanorts line about "guiding them to their proper places" extremely noticable to me. All of the sleeping worlds either suffered a massive wound like in Notre dom, or are still missing something, Like Monstro from Pranksters paradise. This means that unless Ephemera becomes his whole self again, Daybreak town and therefore the entire connected pre war world, and therefore the True Kingdom Hearts cannot wake up until there is that RECC0NECT. Master Xehanorts original goal was not to get the Xblade. It was to find the hidden truth behond the keyblade masters secrets, and the precepts mentioned in BBS. In taking off his Armor with that intent I think he found the answer and became a pawn to the Darkness, which is his original self. Why of all people would it choose him? If destiny is left not left to chance and the finder of the true Kingdom Hearts recreats the world to thier wishes, the Wishes of both Xehanort and Ephemera are refelcted in the reformation of things post war. The worlds are divided in a way that keeps them symbiotic and peaceful like Epherema maybe was inspired to create by the data/illusions he was so moved by to betroy his own clan and find out the truth (Much like Riku and Xehanort make their innitial choices with that same jusitce in mind), and the darkness's omnipotence, and lack of heart was relflected by the ambitions of every Xehanort.This means that this the Will of the Darkness is to be whole and seek a better world for everyone in which it can exist. All the extra manipulation of characters and guiding is the darkness experiencing it's role the main story in the main story. Feeling the hearts of those who could hang onto themselves in it, ie Aqua, Ansem the Wise, Mickey, and Riku, Kairi, Riku and Sora, is a reflection of the it's considerations on what to do about itself, and how it values friendships, quality of lives, justice for what is right, the stability of the worlds, new possibilities, and the ability to accept people and things for who they are respectively.This is reflected in which doors were closed, and which Xehanorts failed, ect. The Darkness knows it can't end everything else, like the door to darkness in KH I, and it can't end everything like the door to oblivion in KH Re:Chain of Memories, nor the Door to Nothingness in KH II. It knows it can't be asleep after Soras and Riku's efforts in KH:3D, and it knows it needs hearts and a heart of it's own after events of KH Re:coded, and it can't change the destinies of people, after the events of KH Birth By Sleep. All of these themes were likely on the mind and consideration of Ephemera when he was considering the information he had on the events of KH X.This means Master Xehanort WILL acheive his goal. The protagonists will not win, and the keyblade war will be had, whether it's everyone remembering the trauma of the catacylsm and the darkness getting too strong and overpowering the light, or a second keyblade war staring everyone who played KH X waking up and rampaging all over every world via the ability to travel the lanes between with their keyblades.This second cataclysm leaves Master Xehonort with the Xblade and the ability to create a brand new world where Darkness like the Light before it is accepted and valued by children, and soon adults alike, making him able to be himself and Ephemera to be himself, along with any nobody who wasn't allowed to exist without being a recusant and firetrucking up the system of the worlds structure. Every one wins, and fate is including for the darkness is once again up to the True Kingdom Hearts, now that it's sleep is ended along with the sleep of eveyone else in it's dream.Chew on this babble of mine awhile. The themes add up. It's interesting at the very least.PS for shits and giggles in this event this would be true, I ship Sora and Kairi, Riku, and Namine, and Roxas and Xion because themes, and warm fuzzy redemptive feelings.PS again. Something esle worth nothing with the Ram Keyblade is that the head on it looks like the Guardian Ansem has.

[riku1995 121]

I think that your idea is very plausible because I do believe that Master Xehanort could be the sixth foreteller and in case if you didn't see my post on this theory I'll leave the link to my post so can see it and we can talk more about this theory if you want to. http://kh13.com/forum/topic/86193-what-if-master-xehanorts-ambitions-were-not-his-own-speculation/

[Ninkoro 123]

What if Ephemera is Eraqus's and MX's master?

 

What if The 6th Foreteller is Ephemera's master and he has MX's keyblade but transfers it to Ephemera just like Master Keeper goes to Aqua.

 

Thing is, Ephemera's name itself has a meaning, but what is it? I'm pretty sure it's not random.

 

/sigh. 

 

KH3 needs to come out already. What's worse is that I think they are going to drag out Chi's story until KH3 is out.

"

e·phem·er·a

əˈfem(ə)rə/

noun

plural noun: ephemera

[*]

things that exist or are used or enjoyed for only a short time.

• items of collectible memorabilia, typically written or printed ones, that were originally expected to have only short-term usefulness or popularity.

  "Mickey Mouse ephemera"

"

 

He's only going to be around for a short time, as a plot piece probably. He might die or something.