Enemies of Light

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

I really couldn't like think of a better title. But as we all know in the KH series, light isn't pure good, especially from Eraqus and Ventus' story in BBS. In the KH series so far, we've had many different enemies. The Heartless which comes from Darkness and basically represents the dark, Nobodies which comes from nothing and represents nothingness (or the absence of light and dark), the Unversed which comes from negativity and represents negativity, and the Dream Eaters which come from dreams and basically represents the dream world. We even have enemies that represent the data world.

 

Considering light is just darkness' counterpart, like the yin yang, do you think maybe we could have new enemies that comes from the light and represents the light? If you think of it, the number three is very important in Kingdom Hearts, as many things come in threes in the game (trinities, the many trios of characters, etc) having enemies of light could make sense because it could be the yin and yang with darkness, and nothingness could be wiki, the absense of yin and yang thus making a trinity of these enemies. (Think of Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem from Pokemon)

 

Also, these enemies of light could easily be hostile, as they could hunt any creature that has darkness in their hearts. Light could definitely be dangerous, as demonstrated by Ventus in BBS, and it has been stated many times that there must be a balance (referencing back to yin and yang)

 

What do you guys think? I think having new enemies of light would be very interesting, not only in terms of design but in plot too. It could add a new prespective in the KH series and would be very interesting to fight.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Maybe, I could see something like extremist based Light enemies and monsters trying to upset the balance in the same way Darkness has. It's just a bit hard to imagine and picture because everybody on the side of the Light tends to have good heads on their shoulders and are trying to maintain a balance that evil people wielding Darkness are trying to disrupt. When you tell a story where Light tends to be the face of the good guy and Darkness the face of the bad guy most of the time, you tend to get so used to those ideas that it's a bit difficult to imagine how the opposites could be portrayed. But again, I could see this becoming a possible plot point for future games beyond the Seeker of Darkness saga.

[Dave 5,715]

I'm against the idea of evil Light enemies, because I've always been under the impression, at least from the first game's lore, that the whole point of Light is that it was inherently good. Any evil thoughts or actions that people committed in the name of Light were, ironically, actually actions of Dark, as they give in to the more violent and selfish aspects of human nature. Just because they THINK they're committing deeds in the name of good doesn't necessarily mean that their actions are good; just because they THINK they are acting in the interests of Light doesn't mean they are.

[PillowHead 569]

By this point my knowledge of KH lore is garbage, but...

 

Although light itself isn't purely good, it's really up to the "user" (user referring to any particular individual that has the ability to manipulate light;with or without keyblade) who channels it in a negative way.

 

 I think of light as the default state of being in the KH universe, where good-hearted, ignorant people come from.  Where some are then contaminated by darkness in some way or another (Disney villians, etc.)  Darkness itself isn't necessarily inherently bad either, but it carries an enormous stigma by this point.  Who knows, maybe Riku will finally figure out the deep secret to manipulating the dark; assuming there even is one.  

 

All this to essentially say that enemies that are purely light in their nature can't exist.  It goes against "science" if that makes any sense at all. Which it probably doesn't, 'cause I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Edited April 23, 2015 by PillowHead

[PillowHead 569]

Actually just ignore my post and read Dave's lol

Edited April 23, 2015 by PillowHead

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

I'm against the idea of evil Light enemies, because I've always been under the impression, at least from the first game's lore, that the whole point of Light is that it was inherently good. Any evil thoughts or actions that people committed in the name of Light were, ironically, actually actions of Dark, as they give in to the more violent and selfish aspects of human nature. Just because they THINK they're committing deeds in the name of good doesn't necessarily mean that their actions are good; just because they THINK they are acting in the interests of Light doesn't mean they are.

That is true, but light could be sorta evil in a way. After all Ventus was going to die because he didn't have his darkness anymore when Xeahnort extracted it. The light was going to kill him. Darkness isn't necessarily evil either. I think darkness and light are somewhat neutral in certain ways, but the good tend to use light and the evil tend to use darkness. They just really balance each other, as one needs the other to exist.

[catmaster0116 2,676]

People usually align Light and Darkness with good and evil respectively, but light and darkness are merely mediums through which good or evil manifests.

 

One can have the powers of darkness and be a hero (or antihero in some cases) fighting for justice (I.e. Riku from KH, Cecil Harvey from FFIV

Likewise one can wield the powers of light but fight for the sake of evil (Lucemon from Digimon and the 'angels or paradiso' from Bayonetta are good examples)

 

I like to believe that in the universe of KH - whether one aligns oneself with darkness or light is a 'style' of fighting and a 'concept' to uphold. Afterall, there used to be keyblade wielders of light and of darkness - and then there were those who would oppose the balance in the Keyblade war. I've never heard that only Keyblade wielders of darkness were the perpetrators of the balance so I'm assuming that keyblade wielders of light were also involved in the malicious acts. It is very possible to be 'consumed by the darkness' as well as 'blinded by the light'

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I'm against the idea of evil Light enemies, because I've always been under the impression, at least from the first game's lore, that the whole point of Light is that it was inherently good. Any evil thoughts or actions that people committed in the name of Light were, ironically, actually actions of Dark, as they give in to the more violent and selfish aspects of human nature. Just because they THINK they're committing deeds in the name of good doesn't necessarily mean that their actions are good; just because they THINK they are acting in the interests of Light doesn't mean they are.

This the lore has always dictated Light itself is inherently good. It was the people who coveted the Light whose negative spectrum of emotions brought forth the first darkness within people's hearts. True one could wield either affinity for whatever purposes they see fit but the it does not make the Light or Darkness a reflection of those purposes (rather the agent in which they accomplish them). Edited April 23, 2015 by Ultima Rob