Does Terranort have Terra's Memory? (SPOILERS)

[Salve-SiS 125]

The Heart and Memory are closed linked-losing your Memory does intense damage to your Heart, however, lose your Heart and be reborn as a Nobody and your Memory will remain intact. This hints the Memory is located in another part, most likely the Mind. When Terra-Xehanort was born, his Mind went into his armor while Terra's Heart stayed in Terranort's boy. Notice when we see Terra and Xehanort's heart in the Secret Ending, Terra never mentions anything specifically about Ven, Aqua, Eraqus, or refer to Xehanort by name. He also rather only vaguely states he has one goal. Even without its Memory, Terra's Heart will still remember the feelings those Memory provided, such as hatred and determination to stop Xehanort, dedication for his friends, etc. (Which would explain why Terra's Heart would fight back when Terranort was fighting Aqua-even if Terra couldn't consciously remember Aqua, his Heart would still feel care and love for her (friendship love for her. back off shippers) and fight back accordingly.) If Terranort had Terra's Memory, then wouldn't Terra's Heart be much more specific about his goal to stop Xehanort? 

 

Meanwhile, the Lingering Will specifically mentions Ven and Aqua by name, and with its conversation with Sora, it mentions Riku and Xehanort, the latter by name. The mind can remember what the Heart felt as shown by Nobodies, so the Lingering Sentiment wouldn't need a Heart-it would only need Terra's Memory to remember what Terra's Heart felt and act on those remembered feelings accordingly. 

 

So it is perfectly reasonable to assume Terra's Memory is with the Lingering Will and Terranort does not have Terra's Memory. This is also seen with Xemnas-he only refers to Aqua's armor as 'friend' and while looking for the Chamber of Waking, it's never said if Xemnas knows what's in there-it's also an actual mystery why Xemnas knows about the Chamber of Waking considering only Aqua would know about that, but that's another theory. Overall, Xemnas seems to affiliate more with Xehanort than Terra. Xehanort's Memory would surely remember Aqua's armor, giving another possible explanation why Xemnas calls it friend, since Aqua is the reason Xehanort made it back to the Realm of Light. 

 

In that case, should Xehanort's Heart be purged out of Terra's Body, two things could happen. One, Terra will enter a comatose state until his reunion with the Lingering Will. Two, he will exhibit classic hollywood Amnesia, with no memory of his friends or what's happened to this point until his armor is returned to him. 

 

Which of these two things seem more possible to you? Or more interesting to see? For me it's the latter, but that would probably give the game a lot more confusion it needs...still prefer the second option though. 

[Swordinger 110]

The Lingering Sentiment, also known as Terra's armor, just possesses the Will to fight Terra felt when his body was stolen by Xehanort, not his memory.We know that memories, experiences and feelings can create a heart, a conscience. So, Terra's memory is stored in his heart, that is trapped in the darkest abyss of Xehanort's heart, in the darkness, where it is protected from it by Eraqus' heart and light. Terra's heart was sealed when Terranort fought Aqua in Radiant Garden, so he could never interfere again with Xehanort's plans or actions.The attempt tho, ended in failure and Terranort ended up sealing both Terra's and Xehanort's hearts, creating the state of apparent amnesia he suffers from when Ansem the Wise, Dilan, Aeleus and Braig find him, remembering just his name.Later on, Terranort seems to remember something, so he summons Xehanort's Keyblade, leading to the beginning of Kingdom Hearts I, extracting the hearts of the first six members of the Organization XIII as we see in the first cutscene of KH:3D.Xemnas, the body and the soul of Terranort seemed to be influenced by Terra's heart and memories, but since the Nobody possessed a fragment of Master Xehanort heart, his true goal is to create Kingdom Hearts, merging with it and to create a new universe where Light and Darkness exist in perfect balance.Just as Ansem the Seeker of Darkness attempted to do in KH1, even tho it was just in a less elaborated way. Master Xehanort wanted to create this kind of universe in his image, so Xemnas and Ansem the Seeker of Darkness did as well.

Edited July 21, 2015 by Swordinger

[KeybladeMasterBalo 504]

It is indeed mentioned in Ansem's reports that a human being is composed by three elements: heart, body and mind. As of now KH1 abd KH2 have treated the first 2 subjects through the main enemies. I really think they'll introduce the mind as a new factor which it's attitude was somehow hinted a little bit with Terra and the Lingering sentiment. *sigh* who really knows what Nomura has in "mind"

[Salve-SiS 125]

The Lingering Sentiment, also known as Terra's armor, just possesses the Will to fight Terra felt when his body was stolen by Xehanort, not his memory.

 

We know that memories, experiences and feelings can create a heart, a conscience. So, Terra's memory is stored in his heart, that is trapped in the darkest abyss of Xehanort's heart, in the darkness, where it is protected from it by Eraqus' heart and light. Terra's heart was sealed when Terranort fought Aqua in Radiant Garden, so he could never interfere again with Xehanort's plans or actions.

 

The attempt tho, ended in failure and Terranort ended up sealing both Terra's and Xehanort's hearts, creating the state of apparent amnesia he suffers from when Ansem the Wise, Dilan, Aeleus and Braig find him, remembering just his name.

 

Later on, Terranort seems to remember something, so he summons Xehanort's Keyblade, leading to the beginning of Kingdom Hearts I, extracting the hearts of the first six members of the Organization XIII as we see in the first cutscene of KH:3D.

 

Xemnas, the body and the soul of Terranort seemed to be influenced by Terra's heart and memories, but since the Nobody possessed a fragment of Master Xehanort heart, his true goal is to create Kingdom Hearts, merging with it and to create a new universe where Light and Darkness exist in perfect balance.

 

Just as Ansem the Seeker of Darkness attempted to do in KH1, even tho it was just in a less elaborated way. Master Xehanort wanted to create this kind of universe in his image, so Xemnas and Ansem the Seeker of Darkness did as well.

 

First of all, The Lingering Will clearly has Terra's Memory, or at least fragments of it. He clearly knows of Ven and Aqua and it remembers Terra gave Riku the ability to wield the Keyblade. And second of all, the Memory can create a Heart, but that doesn't mean the two are the same thing. It's never explicitly stated Xemnas/Terranort has Terra's Memory, nor, as I admit, is it denied. It is true losing your Memory can damage your Heart, yes, but who's to say Terra's Heart isn't damaged? It was unable to control its own body, and it is stuck in the darkest abyss of Xehanort's Heart. 

 

All we know is Terranort has Terra's Heart, which can remember things even if the Memory is lost, as noted in Re:Coded. Yes, Terranort lost all access to the memories of Xehanort when he locked Xehanort's Heart away, but remember Nobodies straight out lost their Hearts and they were still able to remember their pasts, so it's entirely possible Terranort never had access to Terra's Memory-because the few times we see Terranort in BbS, it is Xehanort who is in control. 

 

Of course, Terranort could have Terra's Memory. I'm like eighty five percent sure my theory is wrong, but it's certainly possible in my opinion.

 

"Later on, Terranort seems to remember something, so he summons Xehanort's Keyblade, leading to the beginning of Kingdom Hearts I, extracting the hearts of the first six members of the Organization XIII as we see in the first cutscene of KH:3D." 

 

Hmmm, interesting. I always assumed Terranort was remembering Xehanort's Memory, but it's never specified just what he remembered...what if Terranort was trying to stop the apprentices from what their horrific deeds? Considering his and later Xemnas' disdain for the name Xehanort, something has to be up?  

It is indeed mentioned in Ansem's reports that a human being is composed by three elements: heart, body and mind. As of now KH1 abd KH2 have treated the first 2 subjects through the main enemies. I really think they'll introduce the mind as a new factor which it's attitude was somehow hinted a little bit with Terra and the Lingering sentiment. *sigh* who really knows what Nomura has in "mind"

 

Bad pun, bro, bad man  

 

And yeah, that is totally possible. At least, I hope we get to learn more about the Mind in KH3. But I thought the three elements were Heart, Body, and 'Soul'? Which could be the same thing as Mind, here...

 

What does the Mind do? The body is the vessel your heart uses, your Heart is basically the essence of who you are, What if the mind-based enemies are called 'Remnants, like the Vanitas Remnant? 

[KH4Real 749]

I'm almost sure that the Ling Will has Terra's memory's. He was still angry at Xehanort when Sora saw him.

If it is canont it still can hints that the Ling Will has Terra's memory's.

[twilight_roxas 326]

Plus Xehanort in Terra's body said this before the Lingering Sentiment battles him. "Your body submits. Your heart succumbs. So why does your mind resist!?" This shows that it might be Terra's mind, and memories that controls the Lingering Sentiment.

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It is indeed mentioned in Ansem's reports that a human being is composed by three elements: heart, body and mind. As of now KH1 abd KH2 have treated the first 2 subjects through the main enemies. I really think they'll introduce the mind as a new factor which it's attitude was somehow hinted a little bit with Terra and the Lingering sentiment. *sigh* who really knows what Nomura has in "mind"

 

That makes me wonder, what distinguishes "the mind" from "the heart" in the Kingdom Hearts universe? It seems as though hearts have minds anyway?

[KeybladeMasterBalo 504]

That makes me wonder, what distinguishes "the mind" from "the heart" in the Kingdom Hearts universe? It seems as though hearts have minds anyway?

Well sure! I mean if they didn't hace minds how is it that Ven's heart "went looking" for a friend without one? The mind=soul is a total mystery

[Smithee 327]

Given what little we've seen of Terranort as ATW's apprentice, there's probably some major behind-the-scenes shenanigans with Terra and Eraqus.

 

I mean, why else even have them there?

[Xeorizar 22]

Plus Xehanort in Terra's body said this before the Lingering Sentiment battles him. "Your body submits. Your heart succumbs. So why does your mind resist!?" This shows that it might be Terra's mind, and memories that controls the Lingering Sentiment.

what if it's just emotions and just like all the other nobody's he'll soon grow a heart??? I also would love for someone to explain the ending of bss when terra and ven say sora....like how is this possible did terra do like ven did with sora and went into vens heart? Personally I thought he was talking about eraqus and went into his heart because MX says erquas you sly fox so maybe he did something to ven and terra kh3 better have answers lol Edited July 23, 2015 by Xeorizar

[Salve-SiS 125]

what if it's just emotions and just like all the other nobody's he'll soon grow a heart??? I also would love for someone to explain the ending of bss when terra and ven say sora....like how is this possible did terra do like ven did with sora and went into vens heart? Personally I thought he was talking about eraqus and went into his heart because MX says erquas you sly fox so maybe he did something to ven and terra kh3 better have answers lol

 

I think Terra said Sora's name not because of any special connection, but because he is one of the individuals Sora needs to rescue. Aqua said Sora's name as well, and she bears no connection to him. 

 

As for the Lingering Will, I have been thinking the same thing!!! If something has a mind, then it has the potential to create a Heart. The Lingering Will has thoughts, so theoretically it could grow a Heart-whether the game will go that route is unclear-I personally hope not, because the Lingering Will gaining its own Heart and becoming its own person might not go so well when it's time for Terra to regain his Armor and Keyblade-though, considering the only things the Lingering Will cares about is Ven, Aqua, and destroying Xehanort, even if it gained Heart of its own it wouldn't mind being absorbed into Terra. But the idea of an individual giving up their existence again does not sit well with me, so again, I really hope the Lingering Will remains at its status as Terra's Mind, not 'Terra's Mind that grew its own Heart and therefore becomes a person separate from Terra'. 

[Xeorizar 22]

I think Terra said Sora's name not because of any special connection, but because he is one of the individuals Sora needs to rescue. Aqua said Sora's name as well, and she bears no connection to him. 

 

As for the Lingering Will, I have been thinking the same thing!!! If something has a mind, then it has the potential to create a Heart. The Lingering Will has thoughts, so theoretically it could grow a Heart-whether the game will go that route is unclear-I personally hope not, because the Lingering Will gaining its own Heart and becoming its own person might not go so well when it's time for Terra to regain his Armor and Keyblade-though, considering the only things the Lingering Will cares about is Ven, Aqua, and destroying Xehanort, even if it gained Heart of its own it wouldn't mind being absorbed into Terra. But the idea of an individual giving up their existence again does not sit well with me, so again, I really hope the Lingering Will remains at its status as Terra's Mind, not 'Terra's Mind that grew its own Heart and therefore becomes a person separate from Terra'. 

But what if Terra has part of Eraqus inside of him... when Terra heart was taken only a part was taken by MX because Eraqus let his heart be taken in place of his. which is another scene that i don't understand, how are they evening talking (MX and ME)? But like you said what if only his mind and emotions are the LW and he needs to find it to become whole again... this doesnt really correlate but it just hit me!! You can only fight the LW after you defeat Xemnas... you have to destroy the nobody and heartless to become whole again soo what if xemnas is half MX and terras nobody. what if LW is actually terras heartless thus bringing him back to life when defeated. This would also explain how he knows Sora in the scene where he says "Sora" because that takes place after KH 2 because aqua finds ATW (she does know Sora remember she told him to always keep Riku on the right path). Lastly is Ven, Terra knows where Ven is due to his Nobody knowledge of the chamber of sleep or whatever its called.... but it still does not make sense because how did Ven move?? maybe your right and i'm over thinking.

[Salve-SiS 125]

But what if Terra has part of Eraqus inside of him... when Terra heart was taken only a part was taken by MX because Eraqus let his heart be taken in place of his. which is another scene that i don't understand, how are they evening talking (MX and ME)? But like you said what if only his mind and emotions are the LW and he needs to find it to become whole again... this doesnt really correlate but it just hit me!! You can only fight the LW after you defeat Xemnas... you have to destroy the nobody and heartless to become whole again soo what if xemnas is half MX and terras nobody. what if LW is actually terras heartless thus bringing him back to life when defeated. This would also explain how he knows Sora in the scene where he says "Sora" because that takes place after KH 2 because aqua finds ATW (she does know Sora remember she told him to always keep Riku on the right path). Lastly is Ven, Terra knows where Ven is due to his Nobody knowledge of the chamber of sleep or whatever its called.... but it still does not make sense because how did Ven move?? maybe your right and i'm over thinking.

 

But how does Xemnas know about the Chamber of Waking? Aqua never told anyone about that. 

 

Considering how aware Terra is of what's been happening, he might have memories of Ansem and Xemnas, who would know Sora, which is how he knows Sora's name.  

[Xeorizar 22]

But how does Xemnas know about the Chamber of Waking? Aqua never told anyone about that.  Considering how aware Terra is of what's been happening, he might have memories of Ansem and Xemnas, who would know Sora, which is how he knows Sora's name.

oh your right? I thought that's why they were in COO looking for the chamber??

[Salve-SiS 125]

No, that's the thing. Xemnas was looking for the Chamber of Waking. I'm not arguing that. What I want to know is how does Xemnas know about the Chamber to begin with? He knows about it, that part's confirmed, but how did he find out about it? Even Nomura acknowledges that mystery. We'll probably find out in KH3. 

[Xeorizar 22]

No, that's the thing. Xemnas was looking for the Chamber of Waking. I'm not arguing that. What I want to know is how does Xemnas know about the Chamber to begin with? He knows about it, that part's confirmed, but how did he find out about it? Even Nomura acknowledges that mystery. We'll probably find out in KH3.

ohh maybe it's because ether part of xehnort or eraqus knows, since Terra bears some of them. Xemnas is such a weird/unique nobody... Hopefully Kh 3 will provide lots of info on the oragnization 13