In the scene where Riku defeats Xion, he says this "But you can't fight fire with sparks. This keyblade, it's a sham." What does he mean by that? If Xion doesn't have a keyblade, that just makes it a regular ole' summonable blade. And that's all that Riku has at the time, a regular ole' summonable sword, no keyblade. So wouldn't that be just fighting sparks With sparks?

Considering Days only has 30 cutscenes.

If you're going to ignore every single bit of evidence against you, then of course you're right.

 

'Every single bit of evidence'?

One line in the Ultimania. That's the only evidence I've seen thus far.

Oh, and when i saw the title i thought it would be some creepy picture involving Axel and Larxene, my bad.......

 

On topic; Even if it is one cutscene, a lot of important things happen because of "only one cutscene." (e.g. The secret ending of re:coded, that's only one cutscene, but we've made huge speculations and found out about the mark of mastery exam just because of that cutscene.) The Ultimania quote PROVES that her Keyblade was an imitation, and no amount of arguing can disprove that, arguing for the sake of arguing is just petty...... no offense

Oh, and when i saw the title i thought it would be some creepy picture involving Axel and Larxene, my bad.......

 

On topic; Even if it is one cutscene, a lot of important things happen because of "only one cutscene." (e.g. The secret ending of re:coded, that's only one cutscene, but we've made huge speculations and found out about the mark of mastery exam just because of that cutscene.) The Ultimania quote PROVES that her Keyblade was an imitation, and no amount of arguing can disprove that, arguing for the sake of arguing is just petty...... no offense

 

I'm not arguing for the sake of argument. It was one throwaway line in the Ultimania that isn't referenced again. I can't find any record anywhere else that Xion's Keyblade is a fake, aside from the cutscene where Riku says it is, which is Riku's opinions on the matter. Last I checked, Riku wasn't gospel.

 

Meanwhile, the re:Coded secret ending didn't hint at stuff; it outright said it.

Meanwhile, the re:Coded secret ending didn't hint at stuff; it outright said it.

 

Yes, and the Ultimania outright said that Xion's keyblade was fake, and it was said by Noruma himself, if Nomura says it, it can't be wrong (unless it's a joke, which in this instance it wasn't). So anything Noruma says is a fact, there is no way around that

I think we're all forgetting what Xion did with the Keyblade. She fought Heartless, and collected hearts, which joined Kingdom Hearts. A fake Keyblade would not be able to do this, seeing as only a real Keyblade will do. This is stated several times throughout Days, and a few times in KHII, a Keyblade is the only thing capable of releasing a captive heart, so a fake wouldn't be capable of it, seeing as a fake would merely hold the shape of the Keyblade, not its abilities.

 

And, the Ultimania did not outright state it, it hinted at it (provided it's translated correctly).

She's absorbing energy from Roxas.

And the Organization had no trouble creating artificial hearts, I don't see how it would be beyond their grasp to create a fake keyblade for a puppet made out of Sora, Kairi and Rikus memories.

That's also a really bad use of 'opinion'

Because Riku said something, it's his 'opinion' and as such cannot be fact? When in KH do people ever state things they're just guessing to people? And if Riku was wrong, why did Xion acknowledge it, over time?

You ARE arguing for the sake of arguing, whether you realize or not.

No, I'm not.

I just think it's stupid to blindly follow a theory when very little evidence is provided to support it. Meanwhile, I've gotten some pretty solid evidence to the contrary.

Xion acknowledged that SHE was a fake, but not that her Keyblade was. The mere fact that she had a heart at all means she has the potential to use a keyblade (see Data Sora, a data replica of our Keyblade hero who ends up in the possession of a very real Keyblade).

And so what if she's absorbing energy from Roxas? How does that even counter my previous argument? Even though she was absorbing energy from him, that wouldn't matter if her Keyblade was fake, as you all so claim, because she still wouldn't have the power to release the hearts from the Heartless.

And opinions are not fact, that's why they're opinions, duh.

 

Bottom line, aside from like two very tenuous sources (ie, a cutscene and a throwaway line in the Ultimania), there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Xion's Keyblade is fake. QED.

 

I find it ironic that you are actually fighting fire with sparks here.

No, I'm not.

I just think it's stupid to blindly follow a theory when very little evidence is provided to support it. Meanwhile, I've gotten some pretty solid evidence to the contrary.

Xion acknowledged that SHE was a fake, but not that her Keyblade was. The mere fact that she had a heart at all means she has the potential to use a keyblade (see Data Sora, a data replica of our Keyblade hero who ends up in the possession of a very real Keyblade).

And so what if she's absorbing energy from Roxas? How does that even counter my previous argument? Even though she was absorbing energy from him, that wouldn't matter if her Keyblade was fake, as you all so claim, because she still wouldn't have the power to release the hearts from the Heartless.

And opinions are not fact, that's why they're opinions, duh.

 

Bottom line, aside from like two very tenuous sources (ie, a cutscene and a throwaway line in the Ultimania), there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Xion's Keyblade is fake. QED.

 

I find it ironic that you are actually fighting fire with sparks here.

 

OK, now firstly, you are the one who is blindly following a theory, we are looking at the Ultimania, something that is truth.

 

Now, i'll say what you've been saying before, sources, please show us cutscenes, or references/Ultimania Quotes with Nomura backing up what you've said, or it's not true

 

Finally, please stop making bad puns that nobody finds funny, that's my job

Long response is long. Under the tag for courtesy.

 

 

One throwaway line? That all? Really?

Seriously, that's not good enough.

 

Too bad. If you don't believe Nomura, then I'm surprised you haven't started making up your own conclusions to these seemingly "unsolved mysteries." Oh wait...

 

One cutscene. One.

And, he didn't believe that Xion was a part of Sora at the time (and as Sora is the only Keyblade Weilder he knows at this point, aside from Mickey, anyone else with a Keyblade must have a fake. It's basic logic, doesn't mean it's true).

 

So as a true Keyblade wielder, he fails so hard that he can't tell the difference between a real Keyblade and fake one? : He didn't just randomly decide that her Keyblade is fake. Obviously, there was some basis for such a claim.

 

'Every single bit of evidence'?

One line in the Ultimania. That's the only evidence I've seen thus far.

 

Except that, you know, it came directly from the director. My god, Nomura must be such an idiot to not even know the details of his own series.

 

I'm not arguing for the sake of argument.

Yes you are.

 

It was one throwaway line in the Ultimania that isn't referenced again.

It didn't need to be. We've established that Xion's Keyblade is fake, and Roxas awakened Ven's through the pain of her death. We got that information through the game, and the Nomura interviews in the Ultimania.

 

I can't find any record anywhere else that Xion's Keyblade is a fake, aside from the cutscene where Riku says it is, which is Riku's opinions on the matter. Last I checked, Riku wasn't gospel.

Last I checked, Nomura was the most knowledgeable person regarding KH. I guess I was wrong :

 

Meanwhile, the re:Coded secret ending didn't hint at stuff; it outright said it.

And they did the same here. It's just that you're refusing to accept that her damn Keyblade is fake.

 

I think we're all forgetting what Xion did with the Keyblade. She fought Heartless, and collected hearts, which joined Kingdom Hearts. A fake Keyblade would not be able to do this, seeing as only a real Keyblade will do.

Vexen can make children out of puppets. Ansem can create a machine that can convert Kingdom Hearts into data. It's not that farfetched. And it's not like you have some other example of a fake Keyblade being unable to do this. Actually scratch that. You don't even have proof.

 

Xion, being connected to Sora, was able to wield a Keyblade. Once she had absorbed enough energy from Roxas, she was able to obtain one as well. Due to having an artificial heart, obviously her Keyblade is artificial as well.

 

This is stated several times throughout Days, and a few times in KHII, a Keyblade is the only thing capable of releasing a captive heart, so a fake wouldn't be capable of it, seeing as a fake would merely hold the shape of the Keyblade, not its abilities.

And where did you come up with that, dear sir?

 

And, the Ultimania did not outright state it, it hinted at it (provided it's translated correctly).

How much clearer can the word "imitation" get?

 

And now you doubt the translations. Is there even a point to this then? You don't trust the words of a Keyblade wielder in-game. You don't trust the words of the director and creator of the series. You don't trust the fan translations.

 

No, I'm not.

Denial is always the first step towards acceptance.

 

I just think it's stupid to blindly follow a theory when very little evidence is provided to support it.

Speak for yourself, Mister This-is-the-truth-because-I-say-so-and-all-official-information-is-a-lie-like-cake.

 

Meanwhile, I've gotten some pretty solid evidence to the contrary.

Xion acknowledged that SHE was a fake, but not that her Keyblade was.

Artificial heart. Artificial Keyblade. Sense, it makes.

 

The mere fact that she had a heart at all means she has the potential to use a keyblade (see Data Sora, a data replica of our Keyblade hero who ends up in the possession of a very real Keyblade).

Data Sora's went under special circumstances towards receiving a true Keyblade. Xion's Keyblade is and will always be fake.

 

And so what if she's absorbing energy from Roxas? How does that even counter my previous argument? Even though she was absorbing energy from him, that wouldn't matter if her Keyblade was fake, as you all so claim, because she still wouldn't have the power to release the hearts from the Heartless.

And opinions are not fact, that's why they're opinions, duh.

I suggest you take your own advice, because all you're doing is arguing over baseless claims that don't prove anything.

 

Bottom line, aside from like two very tenuous sources (ie, a cutscene and a throwaway line in the Ultimania), there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Xion's Keyblade is fake. QED.

 

I find it ironic that you are actually fighting fire with sparks here.

 

And after all this time, you've proven nothing.

 

 

tl;dr - Denial is the first step towards acceptance

but doesnt Soul Eater HAVE to be a keyblade? otherwise he wouldnt be able to fight heartless like he does in COM.

 

Like other people said, your weapon doesn't have to be a Keyblade to defeat Heartless, just to release the hearts they carry.

 

 

 

 

 

I think he meant that the "fake" keyblade was weaker than a real keyblade- as weak as a spark compared to a flame.

 

I get that part, I just dont understand why Riku says hes the fire if he doesnt have a keyblade either

 

He does. Soul Eater.

But he could simply refer to himself as the fire, or not be referring to anything at all.

 

Soul Eater isn't a keyblade, its just a sword.

 

Soul Eater is a keyblade, not a sword.

Check it in here: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_Eater

 

Sigh, so this is what all those people meant by Wiki being unreliable, take a look at Days, look at Riku in mission mode, and look at what it says his weapon is, and it says sword, aside from the few sets of equipment that give him a Keyblade.

 

I think we're all forgetting what Xion did with the Keyblade. She fought Heartless, and collected hearts, which joined Kingdom Hearts. A fake Keyblade would not be able to do this, seeing as only a real Keyblade will do. This is stated several times throughout Days, and a few times in KHII, a Keyblade is the only thing capable of releasing a captive heart, so a fake wouldn't be capable of it, seeing as a fake would merely hold the shape of the Keyblade, not its abilities.

 

And, the Ultimania did not outright state it, it hinted at it (provided it's translated correctly).

 

It was a Replica Keyblade made to mimic the Keyblade and it's powers, and quite a successful fake Keyblade at that.

 

However, at the time of fighting Riku, Xion hadn't developed the power she was meant to absorb from Roxas, so at that time, she was generally weak.

 

However, the second part is just how I have put it together, so it might not be correct.

 

 

Bolded&Italicized part is my response

Long response is long. Under the tag for courtesy.

 

 

 

One throwaway line? That all? Really?

Seriously, that's not good enough.

 

Too bad. If you don't believe Nomura, then I'm surprised you haven't started making up your own conclusions to these seemingly "unsolved mysteries." Oh wait...

 

One cutscene. One.

And, he didn't believe that Xion was a part of Sora at the time (and as Sora is the only Keyblade Weilder he knows at this point, aside from Mickey, anyone else with a Keyblade must have a fake. It's basic logic, doesn't mean it's true).

 

So as a true Keyblade wielder, he fails so hard that he can't tell the difference between a real Keyblade and fake one? : He didn't just randomly decide that her Keyblade is fake. Obviously, there was some basis for such a claim.

 

'Every single bit of evidence'?

One line in the Ultimania. That's the only evidence I've seen thus far.

 

Except that, you know, it came directly from the director. My god, Nomura must be such an idiot to not even know the details of his own series. He is awesome, but I wouldn't consider him a god.

 

I'm not arguing for the sake of argument.

Yes you are.

 

It was one throwaway line in the Ultimania that isn't referenced again.

It didn't need to be. We've established that Xion's Keyblade is fake, and Roxas awakened Ven's through the pain of her death. We got that information through the game, and the Nomura interviews in the Ultimania.

 

I can't find any record anywhere else that Xion's Keyblade is a fake, aside from the cutscene where Riku says it is, which is Riku's opinions on the matter. Last I checked, Riku wasn't gospel.

Last I checked, Nomura was the most knowledgeable person regarding KH. I guess I was wrong : Man, I was sure about that too, looks like we were both wrong DX

 

Meanwhile, the re:Coded secret ending didn't hint at stuff; it outright said it.

And they did the same here. It's just that you're refusing to accept that her damn Keyblade is fake.

 

I think we're all forgetting what Xion did with the Keyblade. She fought Heartless, and collected hearts, which joined Kingdom Hearts. A fake Keyblade would not be able to do this, seeing as only a real Keyblade will do.

Vexen can make children out of puppets. Ansem can create a machine that can convert Kingdom Hearts into data. It's not that farfetched. And it's not like you have some other example of a fake Keyblade being unable to do this. Actually scratch that. You don't even have proof.

 

Xion, being connected to Sora, was able to wield a Keyblade. Once she had absorbed enough energy from Roxas, she was able to obtain one as well. Due to having an artificial heart, obviously her Keyblade is artificial as well.

 

This is stated several times throughout Days, and a few times in KHII, a Keyblade is the only thing capable of releasing a captive heart, so a fake wouldn't be capable of it, seeing as a fake would merely hold the shape of the Keyblade, not its abilities.

And where did you come up with that, dear sir?

 

And, the Ultimania did not outright state it, it hinted at it (provided it's translated correctly).

How much clearer can the word "imitation" get?

 

And now you doubt the translations. Is there even a point to this then? You don't trust the words of a Keyblade wielder in-game. You don't trust the words of the director and creator of the series. You don't trust the fan translations.

 

No, I'm not.

Denial is always the first step towards acceptance. I disagree, wait...

 

I just think it's stupid to blindly follow a theory when very little evidence is provided to support it.

Speak for yourself, Mister This-is-the-truth-because-I-say-so-and-all-official-information-is-a-lie-like-cake. But, I saw it, after beating that stupid ass computer, I saw the cake! It MUST be real!

 

Meanwhile, I've gotten some pretty solid evidence to the contrary.

Xion acknowledged that SHE was a fake, but not that her Keyblade was.

Artificial heart. Artificial Keyblade. Sense, it makes. Yoda you are?

 

The mere fact that she had a heart at all means she has the potential to use a keyblade (see Data Sora, a data replica of our Keyblade hero who ends up in the possession of a very real Keyblade).

Data Sora's went under special circumstances towards receiving a true Keyblade. Xion's Keyblade is and will always be fake.

 

And so what if she's absorbing energy from Roxas? How does that even counter my previous argument? Even though she was absorbing energy from him, that wouldn't matter if her Keyblade was fake, as you all so claim, because she still wouldn't have the power to release the hearts from the Heartless.

And opinions are not fact, that's why they're opinions, duh.

I suggest you take your own advice, because all you're doing is arguing over baseless claims that don't prove anything.

 

Bottom line, aside from like two very tenuous sources (ie, a cutscene and a throwaway line in the Ultimania), there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Xion's Keyblade is fake. QED.

 

I find it ironic that you are actually fighting fire with sparks here.

 

And after all this time, you've proven nothing.

 

 

tl;dr - Denial is the first step towards acceptance

 

You know what, screw it, the fact that you lot are all blindly following one interpretation of the facts (Riku didn't even HAVE a friggin' keyblade at the time) is annoying me.

 

Believe what you like, I'm out of here.

You know what, screw it, the fact that you lot are all blindly following one interpretation of the facts (Riku didn't even HAVE a friggin' keyblade at the time) is annoying me.

 

Believe what you like, I'm out of here.

 

The fact that you are so objective to this is annoying me. If I was in your situation, I'd be more open to information, you on the other hand seem to keep your brain inside a highly secure vault in which you only let specific information in. Now suppose we are wrong, I would openly admit it and give you the 'honor' of 'seeing' something no one else did. But considering everything, I doubt that's gonna happen. But that's just me, you seem like a smart person, and I respect you for that, this is just one event, I've made stupid mistakes, like insisting that west on a map was right (The direction), when it was actually left, I felt pathetic afterwards because I felt I knew exactly what I was talking about, when I had absolutely no idea whatsoever.

This is a warning to you all, take this up through Private messaging if the subject tends to become personal, we do not support fighting.

Maybe I overreacted, but I still don't see where you're coming from with this, sorry.

This is a warning to you all, take this up through Private messaging if the subject tends to become personal, we do not support fighting.

 

My apologies, I got too caught up in the moment.

He said that because he must have thought it was a fake keyblade and the sparks thing was he lack of useing it

 

That is the right answer