Charles Matthews

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Xemnas is Terra's body after all. I doubt there would have to be much changing of the body besides being a decade older. Like Zexion to Ienzo, Axel to Lea, Saix to Isa etc. Heck if anything, the Terranort we knew probably doesn't exist anymore. But a somewhat "newer" version. A Neo-Terranort if you will. Terra's body but being piloted by Xemnas' heart he was implied to have grown. Would explain why Braig was expecting Xemnas to be with the rest of them in RG and explain MX's implications of still having Terra has one of his vessels despite his heart being in his original body

That's kind of what I'm saying though . I think Braig was asking if Xemnas wasn't here after the "grand revival" since technically he became a Heartless/Nobody along with the other ex Org members and Apprentices, that means he must be out getting the "party" started. Plus there's also the notion that the Xemnas, Braig was expecting to be recompleted in the present wasn't the same Xemnas that YX pulled from the past in 3D. Just like how there's the theory that the Braig we see in the 2.5. secret ending isn't the same Xigbar we see in 3D who could have been snatched from the past. Yeah that's kind of what I assumed too. I mean we see that Xemnas is missing during the "recompletion" party and it so happens that Terranort was missing from the recompletion party as well. I'm assuming the "present" Xemnas is Terranort just in some different form which is why he's one of the cloaked Org members we didn't get to see just so we wouldn't learn of Terra's situation even though it's been heavily implied.

True. I agree with your assessment as it's the only way to make sense out of what Braig said haha but... wasn't Xemnas, Terra's body essentially Terranort's Nobody? The Xemnas we see in 3D was the one brought from the past by YX so then why was Braig expecting Xemnas to be revived with the rest of them in RG? Maybe since Xemnas grew his own heart as you said, maybe he was revived but not the Xemnas we think it is. Heck there could be two Xemnas' running around at this point or atleast in the new Org 13. One from the past and one of the present and it just so happens that Terra's missing.. hmm..

Kinda copied and pasted from another member from another KH forums because i was too lazy to type it all out again Notice how Braig, and we know this isn't Xigbar as it's when all the apprentices returned to their human forms, says "Lord Xemnas" is nowhere to be seen... I didn't really think about this before, but doesn't it strike you as odd that he's calling him Xemnas still? Is he referring to Xemnas as we know him, or Apprentice Xehanort? It's commonly gathered that Xemnas and Ansem Seeker of Darkness are, respectfully, the Nobody and Heartless of Apprentice Xehanort/Terranort. If that's the case why would he be calling him "Xemnas" still? Much less with that before he was stabbed by Apprentice Xehanort, he stated that his name was "Ansem"... Not to mention that the next line when he speaks he mentions Master Xehanort as well, indicating that the two are different and possibly coexisting. Especially because he was expecting Xemnas to be there, explicitly stating that he was no longer there, implying Xemnas was also revived along with everyone else. And remember Master Xehanort wasn't fully revived till near the end of 3D so the person it couldn't be him and the "party" Braig was talking about was most likely rounding up the members of the new Org 13 and gathering up for the old man's return while they try to get their 13th.

Thanks Flaming Lea Sama for the source And as I mentioned before scene not canon = means nothing so my point still stands and there's more evidence of Terra being on the SOD team soo But he'll probably be saved near the end and would switch sides most likely

I'm playing it simply for gameplay, ending the story and getting some of Sora ' s mom overdue dinner. Nothing else matters

Did you not watch the whole conversation between Mickey and Xehanort? Mickey had a list of potential GOLXehanort pretty much said he had 2 of them from that list (would have been 2 if he got Sora.)Unless he found Ven's body or found Aqua's location, how does that not imply he has Terra?

Um that line actually implies the opposite. ... And that opening scene means nothing. Nomura even said so.

I never knew why Vexen or Xaldin were put on some people's list when we clearly saw them in DDD back as human with the other apprentices. The "unstable" thing could just be them regaining their memories as they're conscious according to Aelsus.And the Eraqus/MX thing well they were part of Terranort merged heart vs Sora/Kairi/Ventus separate heart so situation is definitely different

Square Enix of Europe is having a blast with all this trolling but I'm gonna keep my expectations a little low just because

They said we might get something for E3 and definitely get something for D23. i think we can wait a couple more months.... >_>

You guys are worried about Sora's grandmother while I'm over here worrying about Sora's mother. Does anybody care to know about what she made for dinner?

Old but wow this is perfection.

This makes too much sense

Just hoping the rumored Sonic Mach 2 isn't this Sonic Boom sequel or I'll cry omg

I've already talked about this on another KH forums so I wanted to talk about it here. We all know KH3 will be the last game in the Xehanort Saga and all meaning the Xehanort problem will be over and done with which may include the 13 Norts as well but which ones could you see surviving after the Xehanort Saga ends? I'll just go with the known members along with the most likely. Master Xehanort- Dead. I just can't see him living past this saga and being the central antagonist of it all, would go when his saga goes as well. May get redemption but that's about it. Xemnas- Fades back to his time to get off'd.... but that's if he's even time travelling at all since he, along with Ansem may exist "outside of time" aka Realm of Sleep according to Nomura. So they could probably get the Roxas/Xion/Namine treatment and get their "Birth by Sleep" with the Key To Return Hearts.... but he could still die along with MX or not. Idk. Doubt they'll redeem themselves either even if they have separate personalities from MX. Ansem- ^Same reasons for Xemnas Xigbar/Braig- I could see him living tbh. If his secret plans don't get elaborated on in KH3, it could be a reason for him to stick around for the next saga. Saix/Isa- Could see him living and definitely redeeming himself. His future plot with Lea is to thank for that. Though he could pull the "sacrifice himself for the greater good" card but.... this is the end of Xehanort saga and I expect the ending to be filled with rainbows and sunshine so Isa will be fine. Terra- Definitely living after the final clash especially since he was an unwilling candidate like Isa(possibly). He'll try to redeem himself even though it wasn't really all his fault. Vanitas- A 50/50 with this guy really. Could end up living just because or could end up dying because of his status as pure darkness with virtually no redeeming qualities if you don't count the novels. So yeah.... would make a pretty badass Vegeta-like anti hero if they did decide to keep him around. *shrugs* Young Xehanort- Fades back to his time, goes about his life after forgetting the events of the future and becoming MX in the end basically creating an infinite time loop so..... he's pretty much stuck unless some Nomura magic ends up diddlying up time travel's rules just for the plot. He doesn't seem as evil as the other Norts barring Terra so... redemption for him isn't entirely out of the question. Apprentice Xehanort- Basically Terranort yeah but with the amnesia, seems to have developed his own identity separate from Terra/MX. He might be a time traveler too so probably just fades back to his time. What are your predictions on their chances of living after the final battles of the Xehanort Saga?

Except that literally isn't the point I was trying to come across.... I know about their plan and what that ending implied. You seem to be ignoring Braig and YX's words about "Lord Xemnas being nowhere to be seen" with the rest of the ex- Org members. Then he goes off talking about Old Man Xehanort and his plans... he was basically separating Xemnas/Terranort from Master Xehanort. It doesn't make much sense that he'd mention Terranort/Xemnas first before talking about MX under the same breath. Could be over thinking it and maybe not. Just going with the implications and what 3D clearly showed us with MX returning as a complete person. Or as YX's words "my most future self." That pretty much implies MX is back in his own body which means Terra is most likely back in his body as well. What we really don't know is what his current situation is like besides being one of MX's Norts .Old Man Xehanort and Terranort/AX are not really the same as you make it seem or with that, we can just say MX is the same as Braig/Xigbar or the same as Isa/Saix...... Well I mean they are all his vessels and all so they kinda are the same but you get my point. And Yen Sid's words all but pretty much help support my point even more tbh. Their destruction brought back Xehanort yes. Master Xehanort could still have been revived but also with Terranort. Nothing in YX's words really go to refute that notion whatsover since it's not like Yen Sid himself knows everything about the Xehanort situation. We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point since again, the whole situation with Terra/Xehanort isn't 100% known which KH3 will let us know most likely.

Well yeah the whole "Braig knows all" comment was just me over-exaggerating a bit since while he does know a lot of things others don't, he doesn't know everything. Xemnas would just be a simple Nobody nickname for Terranort/AX so it doesn't really have to pertain to just the actual Nobody since the original self = Nobody except without a heart. Just another name like how Sora calls Braig "Xigbar"(assuming that isn't a time travelling Xigbar) and how everyone kept calling Lea "Axel" and how YX was apparently going to call Isa "Saix" in the 2.5 secret ending(Assuming it was Isa/Saix he was referring to with the "S----" but it most likely is the case) Just a force of habit for people calling them by their Nobody names like you said. But again, Braig was expecting to see Terranort revived in RG aka "Lord Xemnas" not Master Xehanort who then Braig goes off talking about MX specifically and what not clearly separating MX from Xemnas/Terranort and YX didn't try and correct his wording or anything, just agreed with what he said. What I'm saying is, it doesn't make much sense for Terranort(who could have been woken up and taken by YX himself like Braig and Isa) to just get recompleted in RG then randomly get recompleted again in TWTNW near the end of 3D as Old man Xehanort, which was literally his actual return and what was decided. KH 2.5's ending implies that Terranort did infact recomplete in RG which completely contradicts MX's actual recompletion in 3D. Why he got revived a lot later than Terranort is unknown but it could have had something to do with the recompletion cycle when Ansem and Xemnas were destroyed which sort of "separated" MX and Terra's hearts from each other basically "resetting" everything. Actually.....to be technical, all it would really take is for Ansem to be destroyed for MX to return separately since MX's heart was in the mix and his real body was dissolved. Xemnas is literally Terra's body after all not MX's but..... that's clearly not the case. I'm sure KH3 will have all the answers since hey... nobody even knows for sure how the whole bizz between Terra and MX went down...

Nomura's interview about the MX/Terra situation in 3D implies otherwise. Plus MX said "Sora and another on his list belonged to him now." and seeing how he meant vessels which Sora was about to become, means Terra was also in the room as well just as a separate being. Plus the scene with YX and Braig takes place literally right before 3D in the present so it doesn't make much sense for him to have meant "Xemnas of the past" when Braig was clearly talking about Xemnas aka Terranort of the present hence the "Lord Xemnas is nowhere to be seen". Xemnas' orignal and recompleted self is Terranort as Xigbar's is Braig, Saix's is Isa, etc etc. Braig knows all apparently so why was he expecting to see Xemnas recompleted as Terranort in the present? Plus all Braig said was "the party must have been started" never said anything about Terranort/Xemnas(present) himself being the one that got it started. This is probably all YX's doing. MX couldn't be getting the party started himself as he doesn't even fully revive or get recompleted until the near end of 3D hence the whole "my 12 selves gather to welcome me on this day" comment. YX even said they were getting everything ready aka "getting the party started" before MX finally comes back as a complete person.

Well back with another theory and as promised, it would be on Lea aka Axel.... personal fave of mine btw isn't he everyone's if not he should be. Well we left off with Lea in 3D after he got his own Keyblade and then rushed off back to Radiant Garden in a "hurry" according to Goofy. Now we have the plot outline for KH3 pretty much mapped out with Sora, Donald and Goofy heading off to find the "Key To Return Hearts" aka deal with the whole Roxas, Xion and Namine bizz with Ansem's data involved. Plus most likely protecting the 7 Princesses of Light in the process as they travel through their worlds. Riku and Mickey searching for lost Keyblade wielders(which obviously pertains to Terra, Aqua and Ven) Riku/Mickey saving Aqua makes sense seeing how she's in the Realm of Darkness and those two have been to the Realm of Darkness and have knowledge on it. Saving Aqua, then leads to them saving Ven with Sora's help, and Terra.......well....... So with our main protagonists off doing their own shiz, where does that leave our lovable Flurry of Flames to do? I doubt he'll be going off with Sora or Riku so.. what does that leave him to do since him just standing around not doing anything especially with his new Keyblade and all just seems to be a waste. Before he went off on his Keyblade training trip in 3D, he had a goal on bringing Isa and Braig since he along with the other former Org members were looking for them and Terranort. Well seeing how he knows where they ended up, he most rushed back to RG, informed the former Org members about the situation and.... here's a stretch but seeing Ienzo's words about the possibility of maybe the other Org 13 members being in Twilight Town if their worlds were unavailable kinda leads me to sort of assume...... ...... that maybe Lea will head off to go and find Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and Larxene. Nomura clearly hasn't forgotten about them going by his 3D Ultimania interview. — Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others? Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn’t you? For them to have been with Xehanort and the others, perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up. You could say the same for the members of Organisation XIII that didn’t appear in this title, however… I’d rather everyone use their imaginations. So yeah basically as a side story in the bigger story for KH3, we could have Lea heading off to look for the ex Org members that weren't recompleted in RG. Most likely to sort of recruit them to help his own personal cause which would help Sora and co's cause probably. Seeing how buddy-buddy Lea seems to be with the Apprentices especially Ienzo despite the C.O. incident, I could assume Lea won't have as much trouble with the other 4 Org members...... well maybe with Marluxia and Larxene if they still retain their old traits and still pissed off about Axel's betrayal...But Lea will probably just blame it all on Axel, and they just instantly forgive him and serve him because he's Lea. Got it memorized? With Lea off to find those 4, somehow getting their cooperation on helping with the Xehanort biz or atleast coming with him to RG, Lea would in a way sort of rally up the old Organization members to help deal with the threat of the New Organization or atleast offer assistance even if it's in small doses. Would give him something to do and a way be helping Sora, Riku, Mickey and the others in their preparations for the final battle against Xehanort and his army. I'd prefer Lea doing that instead of just waiting around and be irrelevant for like 90% of the story until the final battle, deal with Isa and probably redeem him, before closing it off with him having a tearful reunion with Roxas and Xion before they head off to eat ice cream and be irrelevant for like the remainder of the series. Lea could still have all that but he could have his own little mini story building up to it as well ya know? Just my personal take and theory on what could be done with Lea in KH3.

But Master Xehanort himself said he came back as a complete person aka his original self. YX pretty much agreed with this statement with the whole "my most future self will arrive here". aka Xehanort as an old man. Plus as the KH 2.5 Destiny secret ending was supposed to tell us through YX and Braig, Terranort aka Xemnas not being in the room means he went off to go "get the party started"..... which again MX himself doesn't fully revive or make his presence known until the very end when his 12 vessels welcome him back at TWTNW.

Yeah seeing how most of them would be like..... early teens or so, they'd probably just be useful for giving out info or something for TAV unless they have like a side mission or some side-story cutscene with the Trio. I could see Ven having one with Leon being they should be around the same age or so or even Leon with Terra as a "older person giving younger person advice on life." Aqua could interact with any of the FF cast and it could work out well in a side-story mission/cutscene kinda way. Another one could even include Aerith and Terra just to poke fun at all the people who call Terra a "Zack clone" and such and maybe have him build her a wagon or distribute flowers to invisible NPC people as a side mission with Aerith rewarding him with some cool Keychain or something stupid. Then a important cutscene happens between the two where Terra uses munny to get her the "trademark bow"(plus infuses some magic charm in it just for "extra protection" from the darkness the irony) from the store after she gets her wagon destroyed by the Unversed, leaving her devastated and in tears like the little girl that she is Once he gives her said ribbon, he gives her words of encouragement, tells her to believe in the light, keep friends, and all that fun junk as he says as he then leaves RG to continue off on his adventure and Aerith has worn said bow since then which kept her from being swallowed by the darkness in RG and kept her safe since then..... atleast in the KH universe. Why did I type so much omg

The White Haired Xehanort IS Terra. Or more like Terra's body infected by Xehanort. The real Xehanort is the old coot we see in BBS and the one we see recompleted in 3D. Why the recompletion had MX return instead of Terranort isn't really known but there are solid implications that the recompletion simply "reset" the whole Terra/MX biz and have them both come back as separate beings due to Ansem aka Terra/MX's fused heart probably got separated due to the recompletion but MX's heart went back to his original body, which has been inactive for more than a decade so it's probably why it took some time for him to fully revive. Terra's heart could have simply went back to his body but upon returning, he got a "surprise" from Xemnas's new heart. Instant Nortifcation! It's just theories but I'm just going by what we saw from the 3D ending with MX, Braig and YX's own words about Xemnas/Terranort not being in RG while clearly separating him from Master Xehanort under the same sentence as if they knew MX would return as a complete person aka his heart in his original body. So what I'm basically saying is as Master Xehanort was recompleted at TWTNW, Terra/Terranort should have been recompleted at RG as that's where he lost his heart and body again.

^Well bring them back dammit. You're being a hog </3