I've said before that there's no way Data could lead any involvement in 3D, I think I am wrong about that.

 

This theory will contain Data, and this theory will expand more theories that I will post and it will also contain Data, so if you're tired of reading anything about Data that could be possible in KH3D, then please exit to the front door on your right.

 

Ahem:

 

Look at Exhibit A:

 

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Peferably at 2:00 or just look at the picture on the video.

 

If you are lost, then I'll just read it to you:

 

Namine: "Along with this message, everything you felt on your journey, everything you saw, can you remind the other Sora of them?"

(*Note* She was talking to Data Sora and NOT Mickey)

 

What does this means? It means Data Sora is going to have to find a way to get to Sora and tell him the message and the others (Terra, Aqua, Ven, Roxas, Xion, and Axel/Lea). Think about it, Sora needs to remember the people before he can save them. Maybe Data Riku comes along for a ride, who knows. Bottom line is, Data Sora is coming back and thus, Data has some invovlement in KH3D. But I'm not saying HOW he needs to save them so don't get me on that, as that was not the point I was trying to tell you, and I'm also not saying it's a sequal to it, so don't flame me.

 

But after that theory, I wanted to expand on this. But after thinking about Data, I decided to look at something else...Birth by Sleep. Didn't Ansem hide data within Sora? Yes he did.

 

Here is Exhibit B:

 

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Go to 6:43 of the video for the converstation

 

As you can see, when Sora was sleeping, Ansem the Wise hid his research in Sora "for his best served purpous".

 

So let's combine the the theory above with this hidden data stuff to create a situation:

 

In order for Data Sora to give the real Sora the message, he has to get to Sora. Maybe somehow a portal opens up that processes him into Sora. IDK, he just needs to get into Sora, so use your imagination to figure this out. For this part, I'm going to use a part of my Xion theory but change a little bit. Once he gets to Sora, he sees that Roxas' (maybe others) memories have been interfearing with Sora's memories. He fixes the memories and then finds the the hidden data. He can unlock the data and then blah blah blah, you get the picture. Data Sora will unlock the data and maybe tell the real Sora about it once he finds a way to tell him the message.

 

The hidden data? Glad you ask. I decided to expand my theories even more when thinking about this hidden data. I thought it was a hidden message at first that might hint to KH3. Well then I thought that this hidden data....could be a person. Or used to be. My attention directs to the Mysterious Figure.

 

Exhibit C please:

 

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Looks at his moves. Isn't it kind of obivious that he's using other people's moves? That X slash attack? The clones? The fire surrounding him? They are moves from the Organization and Sora (plus Vanitas but hold that thought for a second). Which means he copied it. Why? Because he is data himself. Let me theorize some more.

 

Let's say Ansem the Wise created him to gather information. The Organization, Kingdom Hearts, Sora and the gang, you name it. Well let's say he wanted information from the past for whatever reason. He sends MF to the past to gather information. He would of sent him back 11 years, 10 years before KH1 (BBS) and another year because of Sora sleeping period. And so he observes the events of BBS of what happens. Then when he faced TAV and was defeated, his power over time got messed up and reverted back to the present time. Ansem checks the data and sees what happens. He could use the data to somehow get his vengence or to what he said before. But to make sure the data was kept safe, he decided to hide it within Sora. Ansem probably saw Aqua in there, but since he is in the Realm of Darkness, he losing memories so he can't remember her from the data. Makes sense.

 

Then Data Sora would come into place like I said above. He unlocks the data and then sees what happens and when he gets to the outside, he tells the real Sora the message, the others, and maybe their location. Of course, if he was to witness the events in his perspective, then he would only know where Ven is, and maybe Aqua, depends if Data Sora knew that the pool of darkness Aqua went in was the way into the Realm of Darkness. Terra/Xehanort's location would be unknown, due to the real Sora slaying Ansem SoD and Xemnas, and since they both are destroyed, Terra/Xehanort should be back, but where is the question.

 

All three situations together....it all makes sense. It would be a strange plot to KH3D, but then again, it's supposed to connect the three games, Birth by Sleep, 358/2 Days, and Recoded. Birth by Sleep. It connects to all three games using these theories.

 

And that's all I got. I know these's probably flaws within my theories, but I'm just giving off ideas that could hint to KH3D.

 

 

This question is just...no.

 

There's a reason why Ansem is called Ansem the Wise. I'm pretty sure a wise person wouldn't interfere with time and space.

 

Of course you'll say something along the lines of MF interfering with time and space, even though I said MF went to the past for data. And I know MF fought TAV, but it didn't affect anything so it's fine.

 

 

I couldn't help but to laugh at this part. In twtnw and other places do you know how many times ansem says he is a fool. And don't forget this boss battle is cannon in a similar way as lingering sentiment was in kh2fm.

 

 

 

This question is just...no.

 

There's a reason why Ansem is called Ansem the Wise. I'm pretty sure a wise person wouldn't interfere with time and space.

 

Of course you'll say something along the lines of MF interfering with time and space, even though I said MF went to the past for data. And I know MF fought TAV, but it didn't affect anything so it's fine.

 

 

I couldn't help but to laugh at this part. In twtnw and other places do you know how many times ansem says he is a fool. And don't forget this boss battle is cannon in a similar way as lingering sentiment was in kh2fm.

 

Yeah I know he says he's a fool, but I know he's not going to be like, "I'm going to ruin the balance of time and space to stop the Organizaion. Take that Xehanort!" Doesn't really make sense, nor does it have a positive effect on anything.

 

Ah canon. Thanks for bringing that up.

 

Yeah, when I thought of MF going to the past, and then fight TAV, I was thinking of canon.

 

Now if I remembered correctly, Nomura never stated about canon with MF. Or even Vanitas' Lingering Spirit (unless someone is kind enough to link me proof). So we don't know for sure about canon. I'm going to say canon for now, because I do remember something. In KHII (either that or 358/2 Days. Not sure, correct me if I'm wrong), there's a scene with Sora deflectig lightning with his Keyblade. That's a scene from KHIFM, where you fought Xemnas. That leads me to believe that was canon, even though you fought Terra in KHIIFM which was non-canon.

 

Whether the fight between MF and TAV was canon or not, I still believe MF is what he is and he still went to the past. Maybe something happened that made him go back to the present if the fight was non-canon.

 

Like I said before, I let people use their imaginations on that.

So congrats...you would of single handedly destroyed the Kingdom Hearts series by that question. You should be proud of yourself.

 

Now this is if he stopped the Organization. But I higly doubt MF is able to take on the six by himself.

 

Woot! I love messing things up! Reminds me of that Episode of Demyx Time KingdomHearts125 showed me (I think it was him anyways.). Luxord goes back in time and runs into Xaldin, who is carrying a list of the number order of each Organization Member, and makes him drop them, so Xaldin must put them in order, failing to do so, and thus some how changing the attitudes of each person and making Vexen the Superior. Ah good times.

Sorry but the whole KH UNIVERSE wants to know who MF is and what he really looks like under that hood. How pissed off would everyone be to find out that it was a faceless piece of data created by Ansem The Wise.

Sorry but the whole KH UNIVERSE wants to know who MF is and what he really looks like under that hood. How pissed off would everyone be to find out that it was a faceless piece of data created by Ansem The Wise.

 

well i suppose he doesn't have to be faceless his appearence could be based off some of the people he's copied

well i suppose he doesn't have to be faceless his appearence could be based off some of the people he's copied

You do realize how close that concept is to Xion, right?

 

well i suppose he doesn't have to be faceless his appearence could be based off some of the people he's copied

You do realize how close that concept is to Xion, right?

 

i know thats what made me think of that

Then I'm confused, because logically, to rip off that same idea and recycle it for a complete unrelated character doesn't really seem like the best thing to do.

Then I'm confused, because logically, to rip off that same idea and recycle it for a complete unrelated character doesn't really seem like the best thing to do.

 

ye it wouldn't be but it would be intresting what he would look if this was true i mean like a complete mixture of organisation xiii and Sora into one character

now that i think about it he'd look horrible

 

Sorry but the whole KH UNIVERSE wants to know who MF is and what he really looks like under that hood. How pissed off would everyone be to find out that it was a faceless piece of data created by Ansem The Wise.

 

well i suppose he doesn't have to be faceless his appearence could be based off some of the people he's copied

 

 

No. Just no.

 

I image his face to be similar to Terra's-Xehanort's, but idk. That's something that can be widely speculated.

 

 

Sorry but the whole KH UNIVERSE wants to know who MF is and what he really looks like under that hood. How pissed off would everyone be to find out that it was a faceless piece of data created by Ansem The Wise.

 

well i suppose he doesn't have to be faceless his appearence could be based off some of the people he's copied

 

 

No. Just no.

 

I image his face to be similar to Terra's-Xehanort's, but idk. That's something that can be widely speculated.

 

actually i just thought of something else that doesn't have anything to do with this theory what if MF is the person with Xehanort and MF is actually Braig's heartless similar to AnsemSOD

This is not the thread to post your theory on.

 

And who's to say that Braig's Heartless hasn't been destroyed yet? You have to remember that everybody doesn't have a Heartless like Ansem SOD. Ansem was a special Heartless, just like Xemnas was a Special Nobody.

This is not the thread to post your theory on.

 

And who's to say that Braig's Heartless hasn't been destroyed yet? You have to remember that everybody doesn't have a Heartless like Ansem SOD. Ansem was a special Heartless, just like Xemnas was a Special Nobody.

 

oh right sorry and true but i do think braig may have something to do with the future like i mean lets not forget the interview where nomura told us to pay special attention to him

And what interview was that?

And what interview was that?

 

I know what he's talking about, but he's getting all mixed up.

 

That was a Birth by Sleep interview. Yeah, Nomura did say to pay real close attention to Braig. But that's just Birth by Sleep only. In BBS, he makes references that can now be understand, and served under MX. But that's it. He won't be special anymore in future games if he makes an appearence. I doubt he'll appear, but he might appear with the role of helping Xehanort once again, but even then, he's not goingto serve much purpous anymore.

 

And what interview was that?

 

I know what he's talking about, but he's getting all mixed up.

 

That was a Birth by Sleep interview. Yeah, Nomura did say to pay real close attention to Braig. But that's just Birth by Sleep only. In BBS, he makes references that can now be understand, and served under MX. But that's it. He won't be special anymore in future games if he makes an appearence. I doubt he'll appear, but he might appear with the role of helping Xehanort once again, but even then, he's not goingto serve much purpous anymore.

 

seriously aww i liked braig oh well at least there is a chance he may be helping xehanort

You seem pretty sure of yourself, so let's take a look see, shall we? (Comments in bold)

 

1) Why can't the Mysterious Figure just exist during BBS's time period? Why can't he be made by present day Ansem to gather information? He doesn't have to go back in time...

 

So he randomly just have other people's attacks because he can? That's sound like it would work /sarcasm

The Mysterios Figure uses many abilities that Terra Aqua, Ventus and Sora can use. This right here should show the abilities are not exclusive. The Organization abilities are usually just similar gameplay mechanics, not literal copies of the attacks, and he also has many of his own, unique attacks.

 

You can tell he has attacks from other characters. It's obivious. But these attacks come from the Organization and Sora. The Organization wasn't created and Sora was only 4 at that time. Did you try to consider backing up your claims?

Sora doesn't have any unique moves, they've all been done before. We have no idea where the Organization got their powers from in he first place

 

Also you forgot one key factor: world traveling. How would Ansem get MF off of Radient Garden at the time of BBS? Gummi Ships? They didn't have them, so it was impossible to travel, until Mickey created one. You could use gummi parts, but the only person who had one was Yen Sid, and he gave it to Mickey. Keyblades is also out of the question, since no one at the castle could wield Keyblades, and if they did, they wouldn't know its true purpous and they wouldn't be trained to be know the ways of the Keyblade. Corridor of Darkness is no expection either. No one's heart is strong in darkness, or at least they shouldn't be.

If MF is not a real person, like a Replica or something, he could use Dark Corridors. He could have used the lanes between, he could be able to fly. When you first meet MF he fades into existence, what's to say he didn't travelt to worlds in this way?

 

And if you read the post, then you would know that I said that Ansem created MF to gather data on the present and then go back to the past for more data. Ansem is a regular scientist in the BBS time peroid. Even if he could have the power to travel to other worlds, what would be his purpous? Ansem would only use it to study worlds, and the people there. He's not invovled with Kingdom Hearts, Keyblades, etc. Not yet.

This is contradictory of a bit later on...

 

2) If Ansem had the technology to travel back in time, why didn't he stop the formation of the Organization?

 

This question is just...no.

 

There's a reason why Ansem is called Ansem the Wise. I'm pretty sure a wise person wouldn't interfere with time and space.

So he's wise because he himself doesn't mes with Time/Space, but instead creates something that does?

 

Of course you'll say something along the lines of MF interfering with time and space, even though I said MF went to the past for data. And I know MF fought TAV, but it didn't affect anything so it's fine.

If the MF can travel in time, in theory couldn't he have already copied the abilities of TAV by the time he fought them?

 

But I'll use your "logic" to see how this would work:

 

-MF goes to the past and kills the six original Nobodies that created the Organization (which I hope you know who they are) before they get a chance to do anything.

-Ansem SoD (aka Xehanort's Heartless) is not, however, stopped and so KH1 happens.

-Then at the end, when Sora closes the door, he stays behind and makes a promise to Kairi that he'll come back once he finds Riku and the King.

-But...the Organization is eliminated, so Sora can't be lured to Castle Oblivion. Riku would be in the castle stuck due to Eraqus' line. Ansem the Wise doesn't need to be at CO since he stopped the Organization

-Sora will never find them; and thus, not fullfilling his promise

If Ansem stopped the Organization from ever forming, nothing in KH1 and beyond would have happened

 

So congrats...you would of single handedly destroyed the Kingdom Hearts series by that question. You should be proud of yourself.

 

Now this is if he stopped the Organization. But I higly doubt MF is able to take on the six by himself.

 

I'm a bit rushed right now, so tell em if I missed anything.

Lets get some things straight here:

 

The Mysterios Figure uses many abilities that Terra Aqua, Ventus and Sora can use. This right here should show the abilities are not exclusive. The Organization abilities are usually just similar gameplay mechanics, not literal copies of the attacks, and he also has many of his own, unique attacks.

Which would make most of this theory plausible correct? How else would MF be able to use those attacks if it wasn't due to data?

1) Why can't the Mysterious Figure just exist during BBS's time period? Why can't he be made by present day Ansem to gather information? He doesn't have to go back in time...

Present day Ansem would not have data on TAV, because he wouldn't know that they existed, save for Aqua who he met after KH2. Future Ansem obviously would know about TAV, and would want to send MF back to either collect data on TAV so he could know how to defeat Xehanort.

 

 

2) If Ansem had the technology to travel back in time, why didn't he stop the formation of the Organization?

That could be widely speculated.

1. The entire plot of Kingdom Hearts would be altered. Hell, there wouldn't be a plot at all.

2. Many people would not have come into existence if that happened. Maybe someone he considered a friend wouldn't even exist.

The Mysterios Figure uses many abilities that Terra Aqua, Ventus and Sora can use. This right here should show the abilities are not exclusive. The Organization abilities are usually just similar gameplay mechanics, not literal copies of the attacks, and he also has many of his own, unique attacks.

 

You twisted my words around. When you posted that question about Ansem creating MF in BBS, I basically answered that it doesn't explain why he has other character attacks and abilities. You think you'd get my sarcasm >.<

 

That wasn't the point I was making. I just said that the attacks are from the Organization, I never said they were exclusive to them only. But knowing that the characters usually use the moves, then I know it was copied. And I didn't say that MF copied all the moves. I can easily tell which ones are his, like his reversing time and healing.

 

Also note that I don't have BBS, so I don't know all the moves TAV use.

 

Sora doesn't have any unique moves, they've all been done before. We have no idea where the Organization got their powers from in he first place

 

Again, not the point I was trying to make. I only said that Sora used the moves before. Knowing that Nomura recycles a lot of things, it's hard to keep up with each attack the characters have.

 

I'll give you props on that last because it's true, but irrelevant.

 

If MF is not a real person, like a Replica or something, he could use Dark Corridors. He could have used the lanes between, he could be able to fly. When you first meet MF he fades into existence, what's to say he didn't travelt to worlds in this way?

 

I already mentioned the Corridors of Darkness. Your point was still on Ansem creating MF in BBS. How would anybody at the castle know how to use Corridors of Darkness? I bet you that all the people in the castle don't have hearts that are strong in darkness. MF would need to be programmed in how to use CoD. But since no one knows how to use it or even know about it, how's he going to know how to use it? You got to think of all the possiblities.

 

Lanes Between? Oh really? I don't remember MF with a Keyblade, do you? Huh, I wonder...

 

So? Xemnas in KHIFM faded in existance. They were the same way too. Try to find a better argument.

 

So he's wise because he himself doesn't mes with Time/Space, but instead creates something that does?

 

Yep, it proves it. My next point proved you were going to blurt it out. I feel so psychic now. If you read my post, MF didn't affect anything in time. He was there to gather data, not be invovled. He fights TAV, which still doesn't affect time and space.

 

If the MF can travel in time, in theory couldn't he have already copied the abilities of TAV by the time he fought them?

 

Possibly, but still not my point once again. My theory stated he already had data before time traveling, containing information on the Organization, Sora, Kingdoom Hearts etc. Which means he already has the abilities of the Organization, Sora, which you told me that TAV has some of the abilities, so there would be no need. Love when you make a point, only for me to use it to back fire your question.

 

If Ansem stopped the Organization from ever forming, nothing in KH1 and beyond would have happened

 

Are you trying to imply about killing Xehanort before he loses his heart, and creating his Heartless and Nobody? I'm trying to figure this one out but I don't see any elaberation.

I need your brain.

Comments in bold

 

The Mysterios Figure uses many abilities that Terra Aqua, Ventus and Sora can use. This right here should show the abilities are not exclusive. The Organization abilities are usually just similar gameplay mechanics, not literal copies of the attacks, and he also has many of his own, unique attacks.

 

You twisted my words around. When you posted that question about Ansem creating MF in BBS, I basically answered that it doesn't explain why he has other character attacks and abilities. You think you'd get my sarcasm >.<

One, there is no such thing as an internet sarcasm detector, two, I'm not present a single unified theory to you, I'm presenting counterpoints to your theory. Anyways, you're not even responding too what I said; that the abilities used seem to be more about Keyblade wielding, not data copying.

 

That wasn't the point I was making. I just said that the attacks are from the Organization, I never said they were exclusive to them only. But knowing that the characters usually use the moves, then I know it was copied. And I didn't say that MF copied all the moves. I can easily tell which ones are his, like his reversing time and healing.

But there are no moves used exclusively by another character, so it doesn't really support him copying the data, just using moves several other characters can use.

 

Also note that I don't have BBS, so I don't know all the moves TAV use.

 

Sora doesn't have any unique moves, they've all been done before. We have no idea where the Organization got their powers from in he first place

 

Again, not the point I was trying to make. I only said that Sora used the moves before. Knowing that Nomura recycles a lot of things, it's hard to keep up with each attack the characters have.

 

I'll give you props on that last because it's true, but irrelevant.

I don't see HOW kit's irrelevant, many theories believe that the MF is the source of the Organizations powers, not vice versa.

 

If MF is not a real person, like a Replica or something, he could use Dark Corridors. He could have used the lanes between, he could be able to fly. When you first meet MF he fades into existence, what's to say he didn't travelt to worlds in this way?

 

I already mentioned the Corridors of Darkness. Your point was still on Ansem creating MF in BBS. How would anybody at the castle know how to use Corridors of Darkness? I bet you that all the people in the castle don't have hearts that are strong in darkness. MF would need to be programmed in how to use CoD. But since no one knows how to use it or even know about it, how's he going to know how to use it? You got to think of all the possiblities.

 

Lanes Between? Oh really? I don't remember MF with a Keyblade, do you? Huh, I wonder...

What does having a keyblade have to do with using the lanes between? You need a keyblade to make a portal to the lanes between, but there's no reason this can't be replicated. You have to understand, I'm not saying that the MF used any of these methods of travel, but ratehr trying to get you to understand there are other possibilities.

 

So? Xemnas in KHIFM faded in existance. They were the same way too. Try to find a better argument.

What? I don't understand what you're saying here at all. Xemnas faded in yes, and I was saying that theoretically, the MF could travel to other worlds by fading in and out.

 

So he's wise because he himself doesn't mes with Time/Space, but instead creates something that does?

 

Yep, it proves it. My next point proved you were going to blurt it out. I feel so psychic now. If you read my post, MF didn't affect anything in time. He was there to gather data, not be invovled. He fights TAV, which still doesn't affect time and space.

You seem to be getting defensive at this point. If Ansem didn't want to mess with time, why didn't he himself go back in time? Why instead did he create a machine with enough sentience to pick a fight with three people who dramatically effect the future? What if it had killed them. It doesn't seem wise to send something else to do something when you could do it yourself much more effectively. This whole time and space thing doesn't really work if you have to say 'Oh but this didn't REALLY effect time and space'

 

If the MF can travel in time, in theory couldn't he have already copied the abilities of TAV by the time he fought them?

 

Possibly, but still not my point once again. My theory stated he already had data before time traveling, containing information on the Organization, Sora, Kingdoom Hearts etc. Which means he already has the abilities of the Organization, Sora, which you told me that TAV has some of the abilities, so there would be no need. Love when you make a point, only for me to use it to back fire your question.

How did it backfire? What are you even saying? I'm not trying to be your enemy or anything, and yet you seem to be treating this very aggressively. First of all, TAV uses every move Sora has in KH1 and CoM. next, the abilities that are 'copies of the Organization' simply have a similar gameplay mechanic, and otherwise isn't very similar. Ayways, my 'point' was just absent wondering about the omnipresence of Time Travelers, not really a debunk for your theory.

 

If Ansem stopped the Organization from ever forming, nothing in KH1 and beyond would have happened

 

Are you trying to imply about killing Xehanort before he loses his heart, and creating his Heartless and Nobody? I'm trying to figure this one out but I don't see any elaberation.

I'm saying, when Ansem became DiZ, and was blinded by rage, he probably would have sent the MF back in time to stop the Organization from being formed. In turn, this would stop the events of KH1 and beyond from panning out; no Org. no Xehanort, no Heartless.

 

That's all I think.