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Regardless of what it is norting isnt a big deal as it was made out to be

yeah

And I really don't think you can argue against that

It does still seem to hold effect over somebody though

in 3d yez

not in 3

Yeah, but does it really affect how we see these characters though in 3? not at all

Strelitzia does say Marluxia’s heart is not his own

Or was it his thoughts?

its not even like Xehanort knows what they are doing as Vexen and Demyx completely betray him without him knowing

yet they are supposed to be connected to him

meaning hed feel what they felt

The thing is, I don’t really think it was ever promised or guaranteed that it was just “Oh yeah they’re just more of him”

When Saix has been norted for a while

Probably violently also

If the scar is an indicator

It's more of tell and not show

And thats not what I was expecting, I was expecting them to have some free will, but Xehanort has the real control

Yeah.. it’s it what you are expecting

But that’s not the direction of the story

The direction was obviously going somewhere along those lines at some point

The details seemed vague enough honestly

3D was heading in that direction

3 shiftee away a lil

with marluxia going "I am regaining my identity" in 3

and xemans speech makes no sensne now

yeah, because he talked about controlling the mind

thats what all the tests were for

and most of the members were not adequate but then they all come back

it makes NO sense

Wasn’t it treated as a desperation move?

Not really

And the fact they were all traitors

Nomura at one point promised new characters for KH3

which was probably going to be the new members

But then they brought them all back for Org 13

I think it was meant to be the foretellers

But by than he showed them off in other things