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That's probably what our Mysterious Figure is. Or at least another form of Ventus. Proof is in the bag, detailed as much as possible.

 

Now some people are saying, "WHAT? ANOTHER MF THREAD? WTF?" and others are saying, "ANOTHER SENTIMENT THREAD? FAKE AND GAY!". If you're one of those people, then just leave. If you aren't, stick around and continue reading.

 

Before I begin, let me ask you a question. Ven's heart is inside Sora. His body and soul lay rest in Castle Oblivion. And so does the mind of Ven. Why does Ven's mind need to rot inside the body and soul? Wouldn't it be better to escape the prison and maybe help Sora without his acknowledgement? Who knows, but now, to the theory.

 

1) Recaping Sentiment:

 

For those who don't know what a Sentiment is or needs refresher, this is what a Sentiment is.

 

In KH, a Sentiment is the mind of someone, the leftover thoughts and feelings of what they had. Because it is the mind of someone, they need to take a form as they do not have one themselves. For example, Terra's mind left his body when MX's heart went inside his body. It would then take form inside of Terra's armor, later be known as the Lingering Sentiment. They also seemingly gain powers through a connection to themselves, as LS was able to wield Terra's Keyblade.

 

So how does Ven having a Sentiment come into play? You'll see after I mention a few pointers here.

 

2) Numbers and Stuff:

 

So here's the actual proof that Mysterious Figure is somehow directly related to Ven and other stuff, which you'll read down below...

 

The first part I want to talk about is the Keyblade you obtain from defeating MF, called No Name. When you get it, you'll notice that there's a clock where the blade should be. Now I'm not going to post a picture of it because it's too small and perhaps not visually capable of seeing it, but when I first saw it, the hands were pointing to 8:05. What does this mean? Well add some math in this equation (cwutididthar?). 8+5=13. 13, you mean like Organization XIII? Huh, that's strange. And has anyone also notice the Attack and Magic for the Keyblade? Attack is 6, and Magic is 7. Want to add these suckers together? 6+7=13. Another 13? Hmmm....strange. Two 13s? You don't see that every day, do you?

 

Although it now seems like this person is infact related to Organization XIII, I don't truly think so. I think it's pointing to one person. 13th member of Organization XIII. Key of Destiny. Using the power of light. He is known as Roxas.

 

It makes sense there's a direct connection with Ven and Roxas. I mean, they have the same appearence for Christ's sake. But this gives you some bigs hints now.

 

Moving on to the attacks of MF.

 

3) Rape Sauce:

 

It's without a doubt that MF has a lot of attacks that generally rape every player facing him. However, I've notice that these attacks come from Terra, Aqua, and Ven. Of course, the three generally share the same moves (except for ones that are clear that he has, like reversing time or the whip that pulls the player up in the air), so I would then think it's a conicidence. However, there's one attack that makes people confused. That X-Attack. The same one used by Vanitas battling Ven, Vanitas' Remnant, and Ven-Vanitas battling Aqua and Mickey. No other character has used this move, and it's quite obivious that this person would have a relationship to Ven/Vanitas.

 

But then there's the counter argument with the time based abilities and what not. Listen, I just think the fight is non-canon and that time can be refering to the future, or perhaps referencing Birth by Sleep Volume II, which will explore stuff from the multiple games, most likely unexplained plot holes, and setting the player into different time periods, at least that's how I interput it. And if you think about it, would Nomura really do this to us in a kid's game? Sure he's done it, but I don't think Nomura would go that far and put in time traveling to screw us all over. In my opinion, of course.

 

So what about the weapons, body build, etc? That's next.

 

4) Similar, Yet Different:

 

So the thing that really hurts this theory is the weapons. I can't really explain the weapons myself, but I can give some thoughts about it. Yes, they look like Etereal Blades, but are they really? Not at all. The first thing I want to point out is that there's a handle on it. On Xemnas' blades, the blades come out of his palm. Second, the blades, if you inspect the handles closely, they're actually clock hands. Proof, google clock hands. I have seen an example myself to find that the handle looks just like a clock hand featured on a clocktower. Again, this is to indicate time relationships, and I have said that it's probably refering to BBSv2.

 

As for creating the blades, I have no clue. I'm going to guess that the Sentiment itself will use the mind to battle, creating weapons from it. Since Ven's heart is located in Sora, and not his original body, he probably couldn't wield or summon his Keyblade. Therefore, using his own mind to help himself.

 

Now for the body structure. It has been said that it is Saix's body build, but I know for certain that it is not Saix. Or Isa for that matter. How I see is that if a Sentiment just needs to use something as a body, then I can imagine Ven's mind using one of Organization XIII's cloaks as one of them. And how the cloak's build and length will determine the shape for it. It's all entirely on the cloak's mechanics.

 

So what is the purpous of a Sentiment, especially Ven's Sentiment? There are many reasons to why, but I'll name a few that are most logical.

 

5) Its Roles and Duties:

 

Before I say anything, I like to point out a sleeping Ven disappearing from his chair in the BBSv2 preview. Now what if that actually happened? How would it be possible if Aqua is the only one that can get him. Ding ding, a sentiment. I'm pretty sure you can find yourself, as the mind, body, soul, heart, and memories are connected, along with other stuff.

 

And going into this with the above point, what would be the purpous of moving Ven to another location? Sure, it gives suspense when Aqua goes to get him and finds he's mysterious gone, but it's not cutting it. If the Sentiment really did move the body, why....and where?

 

So let me address why. Why would Ven's Sentiment move his own body to another location when it was safe already? It's simple. Because Xemnas kept looking for it by sending Axel to Castle Oblivion, it was most likely making him nervous that they might find his body. He wouldn't know if it was truly safe to keep his body here and not somewhere else. He also doesn't know who would be after him and why. Moving his body would probably be the best choice. You have to put yourself in his shoes to figure this out.

 

Where...oh boy, we have many places. So I'm going to let you decide. Me? I think he's going to move his body in the mansion in Twilight Town. Here's a scenrio I was thinking about. He probably goes to hide his body somewhere, and the closest is Twilight Town. So he goes to get his body there. But Hayner, Pence, and Olette see him and get suspicious. If it's possible, they try to alert Sora somehow. But because he'll be at Yen Sid for Mark of Mastery, they'll ask Kairi to come here. Like I said, IF it's possible. I don't know how this can be foreseen. And that's where we would see Kairi and the gang looking upon the mansion. I can't think of anything else.

 

Now, let's say this really does happen and Ven's body is somewhere, but safe. What is the Sentiment's next job? Perhaps it's to guard the body. Or if the body is safe as he thinks, he'll probably explore worlds and search for where his heart is. He might stumble across Sora, and most likely will follow him or help him when it's least expected, to the point that we or even Sora himself might not find it suspicious. I'm just saying.

 

Conclusion:

 

Is there a Sentiment for Ventus? Nobody knows, but I have this feeling that there is. Or at least, another form of Ven, whether it be his mind, soul, or anything else. I can't really think of Xehanort or Terra being MF, or anybody for that matter. Once I got obtainable proof for this topic, it definitly sounds like MF is related to Ven.

 

Leave your thoughts and questions below.

 

Also, this took two hours to do, I'm very tired and because this is a long theory, some things might not be fully clear. I understand that, but I'm doing my best to see that it makes some sense to you. Please do not flame me because some things do not make sense. It's bad enough there's barely anything to work with, I don't need negative feedback or ridiculous comments starting pointless arguments. Thank you.

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Despite not agreeing with a couple things, its nice to read a very well thought out theory : ) *apluase* And btw it all made sense (gramatically).

 

Sentiments seem to only execute one emotion, for example, ten years afters Terra's sentiment formed it still only had hatred for xehanort, and for Ven to attack his best friends and move his own body just isn't adding up to me.

fool. Very nice theory. I'm gonna have to disagree. It's just not something that would play out well and fit in nicely into the story. Unlike you, I'm lazy, so I'm not going to write why I disagree. It would take too long. But hey, you might be right. Just seems fishy...

Nice theory but the time travel is irrelevant. Nomura said that the visit to the land of departure doesn't matter as much as the mysterious figure himself.

Wow. Two hours?! Congrats for a forum post. I like this theory, but it has a lot of strange additions. I like the fact of 13 revolving around the blades and their stats, that shocked me. This theory blows away my theory of MF being the master of Xehanort and Eraqus. I can't wait to learn the truth! Hopefully KHDDD will shed some light on the subject.

Very nice thread :) But why would MF be in the Land of Departure?And think MF is some kind of Guardian of something or someone but idk.I hope they would give us some hint about MF in KHDDD

nice theory,but think about it,how did O13 come to be and maybe (possibly) could this be the first no-body?

It's Lingering Spirit. Sentiment is an unofficial translation.

When I was on the front page, and I looked at the recent threads, I saw "Ven's Sentiment". I said to myself, "let me guess, this is about MF". I clicked it, and what do you know, I was right lol. Anyway, two hours? You better hope MF is Ven's sentiment lol. I agree that it's a good theory, but sadly I'll have to disagree. Where does a Sentiment find a cloak to begin with? I also think MF's build is more like Ansem than Saix. In the BBS FM secret ending, I think Ven disappearing was all for show and to build suspense, seeing as though Sora also disappeared as well. There is more I would like to bring up, but I'll end it here. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

@tomtom

 

Nobodies existed before Birth by Sleep. Also, Xemnas created the Organization as he is #1, and the founding members are Ansem's apprentices.

 

@Bnorov

 

MF appearing in Land of Departure isn't canon.

If he's vens sentiment why did he go back in time to attack himself and his friends?Also why is he so big,why would he wear one of mx's coats when he hates him? And why doesn't he have a keyblade?

I like the theory you made. You brought up some points with the info you have. It could work out, it could not.

good theory but i really dout it sentiment come from someone emution like hatered like terra sentiment his hatered to xehanort kept him alive for ten years but who does ven hate he was happy to die and save his friends

Well I'm not sure I fully agree with everything you said, but the whole idea of MF being a sentiment is very interesting and you may be on to something!

I think that your theory is right on. I've thought that too. that or aqua hunched over

I have to agree, your theory is well thought out and organization. But, it makes no sense at the same time. First off, there's no way that the MF is Ven's sentiment. If it was his sentiment then the MF would weild Ven's keyblade. Plus, why would he "travel back in time" to fight himself? Also, I would like to add the fact that MF's body figure is much bigger, and a little bulkier than Ven's body figure. Like, almost as the same figure as Saix if you compare them. Plus, his battle stance is way different than Ven's. He holds the two unknown weapons like a clock along with that stance.

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Sentiments seem to only execute one emotion, for example, ten years afters Terra's sentiment formed it still only had hatred for xehanort, and for Ven to attack his best friends and move his own body just isn't adding up to me.

 

A Sentiment doesn't have to have one emotion. The Sentiment is the mind, the leftover thoughts and emotions. It really doesn't make much sense to have one emotion and that's it.

 

Also, like I said before, I just don't think MF is canon. Fighting him would just be another way to introduce the character early. Has nothing to do with who fights with who.

 

Nice theory but the time travel is irrelevant. Nomura said that the visit to the land of departure doesn't matter as much as the mysterious figure himself.

 

It really is. I don't know why people are so hell bent on thinking it's time travel automatically.

 

nice theory,but think about it,how did O13 come to be and maybe (possibly) could this be the first no-body?

 

I have no idea what you just said, so have a cookie.

 

It's Lingering Spirit. Sentiment is an unofficial translation.

 

I don't care.

 

If he's vens sentiment why did he go back in time to attack himself and his friends?Also why is he so big,why would he wear one of mx's coats when he hates him? And why doesn't he have a keyblade?

 

Because you didn't bother to read my post carefully. You're asking questions to things I have already stated. So re-read and you'll get your answers.

 

As for the MX's cloak, it's not relevant. And I'm pretty sure Ven doesn't actually hate MX. Playing Ven's story, all I see was him being worried and slightly uncomfortable around him. I have yet to see the slightest hatred in him.

 

good theory but i really dout it sentiment come from someone emution like hatered like terra sentiment his hatered to xehanort kept him alive for ten years but who does ven hate he was happy to die and save his friends

 

I'm not sure if you're taking my side or the other guy's, but ok.

 

I have to agree, your theory is well thought out and organization. But, it makes no sense at the same time. First off, there's no way that the MF is Ven's sentiment. If it was his sentiment then the MF would weild Ven's keyblade. Plus, why would he "travel back in time" to fight himself? Also, I would like to add the fact that MF's body figure is much bigger, and a little bulkier than Ven's body figure. Like, almost as the same figure as Saix if you compare them. Plus, his battle stance is way different than Ven's. He holds the two unknown weapons like a clock along with that stance.

 

Another victim to the I-left-my brain-somewhere-so-I'm-not-reading-it-carefully disorder. Shame.

 

There's no way, but considering this is KH, is anything possible? It's called a theory, not a fact. Stop making it one.

 

I already said that the battle wasn't canon. And I said it wasn't time travel. I said that the time relationships are most likely refering to the future or Birth by Sleep Volume II. This whole time travel is a load of bullcrap that we are geting overexaggerated on. And the thing with fighting himself or his friends, the battle is not only probably not canon, but considering that it's a boss fight for a challenge, it's not for plot. But sadly, it was stated in my post, I just don't know how you managed to skip over that.

 

Already stated about the Keyblade. Because his heart is not even in the body, I don't he'll be able to even wield one himself. Ven's heart is also damaged while destroying Vanitas, so that's another thing to factor in. And finally, if they just gave him a Keyblade, then it wouldn't be a mystery. We would most likely figure out who it would be now. I also stated the reason for the body figure to be different than Ven's. Because a mind needs a physical appearence, anything can be used. It just has to take the shape and size of it. Remember, a Sentiment is not a person, it's a mind. In reality, the mind is a powerful thing. The same could be said in KH, to the extent that the mind could do aynthing. And I did state it was Saix's. You just didn't bother to read it.

 

The battle stance is something you're not getting. You see, MF carries TWO weapons, not one. The battle stance itself is already going to change. Then the fact that Nomura wants to make this character time based, he's going to make it so he looks like he's a clock. And put this way, Riku and Vanitas have almost excatly the same battle stance, yet they are not related in any way. Don't contradict yourself, ok?

I feel I should take a moment to note that most likely if anybody canonically fought the MF, it would be Aqua. Even then, we don't know if she actually did.

Seems pretty likely none of the three actually fought the MF.

(And you should care that it's Spirit not sentiment, the words have drastically varying implications!)

 

Sentiments seem to only execute one emotion, for example, ten years afters Terra's sentiment formed it still only had hatred for xehanort, and for Ven to attack his best friends and move his own body just isn't adding up to me.

 

A Sentiment doesn't have to have one emotion. The Sentiment is the mind, the leftover thoughts and emotions. It really doesn't make much sense to have one emotion and that's it.

 

Also, like I said before, I just don't think MF is canon. Fighting him would just be another way to introduce the character early. Has nothing to do with who fights with who.

 

Nice theory but the time travel is irrelevant. Nomura said that the visit to the land of departure doesn't matter as much as the mysterious figure himself.

 

It really is. I don't know why people are so hell bent on thinking it's time travel automatically.

 

nice theory,but think about it,how did O13 come to be and maybe (possibly) could this be the first no-body?

 

I have no idea what you just said, so have a cookie.

 

It's Lingering Spirit. Sentiment is an unofficial translation.

 

I don't care.

 

If he's vens sentiment why did he go back in time to attack himself and his friends?Also why is he so big,why would he wear one of mx's coats when he hates him? And why doesn't he have a keyblade?

 

Because you didn't bother to read my post carefully. You're asking questions to things I have already stated. So re-read and you'll get your answers.

 

As for the MX's cloak, it's not relevant. And I'm pretty sure Ven doesn't actually hate MX. Playing Ven's story, all I see was him being worried and slightly uncomfortable around him. I have yet to see the slightest hatred in him.

 

good theory but i really dout it sentiment come from someone emution like hatered like terra sentiment his hatered to xehanort kept him alive for ten years but who does ven hate he was happy to die and save his friends

 

I'm not sure if you're taking my side or the other guy's, but ok.

 

I have to agree, your theory is well thought out and organization. But, it makes no sense at the same time. First off, there's no way that the MF is Ven's sentiment. If it was his sentiment then the MF would weild Ven's keyblade. Plus, why would he "travel back in time" to fight himself? Also, I would like to add the fact that MF's body figure is much bigger, and a little bulkier than Ven's body figure. Like, almost as the same figure as Saix if you compare them. Plus, his battle stance is way different than Ven's. He holds the two unknown weapons like a clock along with that stance.

 

 

There's no way, but considering this is KH, is anything possible? It's called a theory, not a fact. Stop making it one.

 

 

I already said that the battle wasn't canon. And I said it wasn't time travel. I said that the time relationships are most likely refering to the future or Birth by Sleep Volume II. This whole time travel is a load of bullcrap that we are geting overexaggerated on. And the thing with fighting himself or his friends, the battle is not only probably not canon, but considering that it's a boss fight for a challenge, it's not for plot. But sadly, it was stated in my post, I just don't know how you managed to skip over that.
True, the battle isn't canon in any way. But still, you can't just say that time travel is irrevelant to KH. There are a few good hints that show that he uses time. Like his battle stance as I said before, his power to freeze time, and the No Name keyblade we get from him has a clock in it. So who can say weather or not he time travels, or if he just uses time-like powers similiar to Luxord.

 

Already stated about the Keyblade. Because his heart is not even in the body, I don't he'll be able to even wield one himself. Ven's heart is also damaged while destroying Vanitas, so that's another thing to factor in. And finally, if they just gave him a Keyblade, then it wouldn't be a mystery. We would most likely figure out who it would be now. I also stated the reason for the body figure to be different than Ven's. Because a mind needs a physical appearence, anything can be used. It just has to take the shape and size of it. Remember, a Sentiment is not a person, it's a mind. In reality, the mind is a powerful thing. The same could be said in KH, to the extent that the mind could do aynthing. And I did state it was Saix's. You just didn't bother to read it.

So in other words, you contradicted your own theory.

 

The battle stance is something you're not getting. You see, MF carries TWO weapons, not one. The battle stance itself is already going to change. Then the fact that Nomura wants to make this character time based, he's going to make it so he looks like he's a clock. And put this way, Riku and Vanitas have almost excatly the same battle stance, yet they are not related in any way. Don't contradict yourself, ok?

I've noticed he weilds two weapons which is why is sai "unknown weapons". Also, you can't say they will change his battle stance. Especially since none of us even know too much about him. I really think you should stop being so rude and blow off on people's statements. They are just posting what they think.

Boy, you sure put a lot of work into making this thread. I agree with you on some things but not everything you said could be true.

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True, the battle isn't canon in any way. But still, you can't just say that time travel is irrevelant to KH. There are a few good hints that show that he uses time. Like his battle stance as I said before, his power to freeze time, and the No Name keyblade we get from him has a clock in it. So who can say weather or not he time travels, or if he just uses time-like powers similiar to Luxord.

 

If you put in time travel, you'll only confuse the gamers, especially because this is a kid's game, kids will play it. With a crap load of plot holes, would it be necessary to put in time travel and add more? No, it wouldn't.

 

Time-like powers is the way to go.

 

So in other words, you contradicted your own theory.

 

I don't see how I contradict myself.

 

And for your information, this is the Internet. I can't read your thoughts. So we have what we call elaboration. You should try it some time.

 

I've noticed he weilds two weapons which is why is sai "unknown weapons". Also, you can't say they will change his battle stance. Especially since none of us even know too much about him. I really think you should stop being so rude and blow off on people's statements. They are just posting what they think.

 

I didn't say they WILL change the battle stance. I said that carrying two weapons will automatically change the battle stance. See Sora in one of his Drive Forms? Notice how he doesn't wield his Keyblade the same? That's because he's carrying two. It already changes battle stance. But this is if MF is really Ven's Sentiment or a form of him.

 

I'm not being rude or blowing off people's statement. If someone is going to post something irrelevent or just not plaining reading it (in your case), I don't see why I'm going to respond in a positive way. To see you respond to things I already stated proves you didn't really read it, and of course, I'm going to catch on that. It's a simple thing to do. If you can read a book and understand it, then the same can be applied here.

 

And I'm posting what I am thinking as well, thank you very much :D

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