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In my opinion Kingdom Hearts 2(:Final Mix),meaning both of them, is the best. You can take my opinion seriously as I've played every single game.

Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep(:Final Mix) (I'm including Birth by Sleep:Final Mix too) was absolutely excellent and I want to put in my batting order of the games before I explain why Kingdom Hearts 2(:Final Mix) is better:

1-Kingdom Hearts 2(:Final Mix)

2-Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep(:Final Mix)

3-Kingdom Hearts 1(:Final Mix)

4-Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days

5-Kingdom Hearts RE: Chain of Memories

6-Kingdom Hearts RE: Coded

7-Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories

8-Kingdom Hearts Coded

Now to address the top two. Kingdom Hearts 2 was astounding. It featured harder bosses, occasional R.P.* character changes, better level system, better (and more in-depth) synthesis, more cutscenes, nicer layout,much better level designs, graphics and character design. The menus were also better it had many more mini-games and a much harder Hades Paradox Cup than Kingdom Hearts 1. Birth by Sleep, on the other side, had a less well thought out plot was rather boring having to start from Level 1 again 3 times, had sufficiently less polygons, bad graphics, easier walkthroughs of levels, no synthesis at all, less strategy in boss battles, constant button spamming of []-(square)-and some cases of rather pathetic voice actors (Snow White being a prime example) compared to Kingdom Hearts 1.

Now if we look at the addition to features in Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix. It included a complete remake of Chain of Memories (RE), which I rank third of the side-stories, it had data versions (harder versions) of all of the Organization XIII members which you could fight, better weather effects, new Keyblades, a new form, a boss fight with Roxas which was previously a cutscene (it includes the cutscene as well but with thunder as well as rain ), a mushroom XIII side-quest, a Terra boss fight, new synthesis materials and recipes, new Gummi ship mini-game, a fourth difficulty rating, more abilities and equipment, two new areas, a lot of new cutscenes (with strong references to Birth by Sleep, all of the extra features in the US version of Kingdom Hearts 2 and a longer final level.

Now if we look at the new things added in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep:Final Mix. It had three extra secret bosses, included all of the extra features in the US version of Birth by Sleep, had a secret level (and a Monstro level again) and another secret ending (in addition to Blank points), which has caused much controversy and more mini-games. That is it. Much less compared to Kingdom Hearts 2:Final Mix.

Now back to the point of Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep. It was veered of more in the direction of Final Fantasy with melding and the new meaning of "abilities" which is fine but the Keyblade combos were lacking a bit and were similar to that in Kingdom hearts 1 which were a bit "lack-luster". I didn't like the new voice of mickey either I wished they could have dubbed Wayne Allwine (R.I.P.). I also missed having companions along the journey which, you may think this is weird, give a sense of self-assurance. I also missed Gummy missions and tournaments in the Coliseum. But I have to be fair, the weapon combinations were fantastic though I missed quick-play menu commands. So if I draw up my pedantic charts they would look like this:

All Games:

1-Kingdom Hearts 2:FM

2-Kingdom Hearts 2

3-Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix

4-Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep

5-Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix

6-Kingdom Hearts 1

7-Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days

8-Kingdom Hearts RE:Chain of Memories

9-Kingdom Hearts RE:Coded

10-Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories

11-Kingdom Hearts Coded

The Side-story Games:

1-Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep: Final <ix

2-Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep

3-Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days

4-Kingdom Hearts RE:Chain of Memories

5-Kingdom Hearts RE:Coded

6-Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories

7-Kingdom Hearts Coded

The Main-story Games:

1-Kingdom Hearts 2:Final Mix

2-Kingdom Hearts 2

3-Kingdom Hearts 1:Final Mix

4-Kingdom Hearts 1

That's 11 games in total. 7 Side-stories. 4-Main-stories. A ratio of 7-4

By 2017 I hope it will be:

That's 17 games in total. 10 Side-stories. 6-Main-stories A ratio of 5-3(a reduced ratio )

The three extra Side-stories I hope would be:

-KH3D

-KHBBS:V2

-KHBBS:V2-FM

The three extra Main-stories I hope would be:

-Kingdom Hearts 3

-Kingdom Hearts 3:Final Mix.

Man you just really made a long post. KH2: final Mix is my second favorite but it's not better than BBS. I could sit here and tell why but I don't feel like making another extremly long post. Also BBS had all three types of enemies.

I do agree that kh2fm is the best game so far, but the regular kh2 I would put behind the regular bbs. That said they are all close. The main problem for kh2 was the difficulty and incorporation of disney worlds. Replay kh2 on proud vs bbs critical, bbs is much harder and thus every battle is a fun challenge. While the kh2 system is much more flashy is requires a lot less technique than a game such as kh1 (parasite cage comes to mind where acid will deplete your hp and you have to jump around to not get hit, not just run away), so this is both its downfall and success. When TAV visited a world, for the most part a lessoned was learned and their actions in that world is justifiable for the current situation vs. kh2, where Sora is supposed to put a stop to org. xiii and find his friends, but he is singing in atlantica or hanging out with pooh, I mean really!

 

Also it is likely that khbbs v2 will be a side game so no fm for that.

Well we don't really know too much about BBS v2. So I don't think people should start assuming that it's a side story.

Well we don't really know too much about BBS v2. So I don't think people should start assuming that it's a side story.

 

I am 90% positive it is a side game:

-three main games in a row, I don't think so (kh3, 3d, and v2)

-everything we saw in the trailer was practically the other side to the story we have seen so far so ya.

 

Still, although it is a side game, I suspect it to be made better than the other side games because I doubt it will be relesed on ngp or ds, the psp and so will have to live up to bbs more so.

I agree in everything Viscoan but only one thing , when u said about bbs (bad graphic), actually comparing it with other PSP games I would say that it have the best grahpic in all PSP games

i could kill to get my hands on that game!

i always dreamed to battle against terras armor and discover the cavern of remembarance.

this game is first on my "what i want most list" second of course is code breaker to do many grazy things to

kh2fm or have you ever sawed those videos on youtube?

I am 90% positive it is a side game:

-three main games in a row, I don't think so (kh3, 3d, and v2)

-everything we saw in the trailer was practically the other side to the story we have seen so far so ya.

 

Still, although it is a side game, I suspect it to be made better than the other side games because I doubt it will be relesed on ngp or ds, the psp and so will have to live up to bbs more so.

 

No we can't make any assumptions right now because all we've seen is a two minute trailer. I don't think that BBS vol.2 will be a side story. We'll have to wait till E3'll to hear more, but I'm pretty sure Birth By Sleep Volume 2 will not be a side story.

No we can't make any assumptions right now because all we've seen is a two minute trailer. I don't think that BBS vol.2 will be a side story. We'll have to wait till E3'll to hear more, but I'm pretty sure Birth By Sleep Volume 2 will not be a side story.

 

Firstly to Razorwind. I don't quite know what you mean by had all three types of enemies. It had the Unversed and that is it. It didn't have the Heartless or the Nobodies in it. Secondly Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep: Volume 2 will be a side story as it takes place either during Kingdom Hearts 1 or after, how else could King Mickey be in the Realm of Darkness, and therefore is behind what we have already played making it a side story of what happened in the RoD before Aqua met DiZ. It will however reveal information, just like Birth by Sleep did, but it will be a side story.

 

Now to King of Hearts. I agree with you that Birth by Sleep had the best graphics on the PSP so far, except maybe Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, but if you look closely at things you can see jagged edges, the Keyblades look completely flat and their faces and hair have low pixels. Also, I've monitored the framerate and polygon levels and they are lower than that of the PS2, even though the PSP is capable of beating the PS2.

 

And finally to Keystrike. It may be your opinion that Birth by Sleep is better than Kingdom Hearts 2 but I think that Kingdom Hearts 2 was more of an experience. All of the levels in Birth by Sleep were shorter, in order to accommodate the three points of view. It was also a bit ridiculous how they just kept missing each other. The levelling in Kingdom Hearts 2 is a lot more in depth an the Keyblades looked nicer. Anyway that is just my opinion.

Viscoan.

Firstly to Razorwind. I don't quite know what you mean by had all three types of enemies. It had the Unversed and that is it. It didn't have the Heartless or the Nobodies in it. Secondly Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep: Volume 2 will be a side story as it takes place either during Kingdom Hearts 1 or after, how else could King Mickey be in the Realm of Darkness, and therefore is behind what we have already played making it a side story of what happened in the RoD before Aqua met DiZ. It will however reveal information, just like Birth by Sleep did, but it will be a side story.

 

Now to King of Hearts. I agree with you that Birth by Sleep had the best graphics on the PSP so far, except maybe Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, but if you look closely at things you can see jagged edges, the Keyblades look completely flat and their faces and hair have low pixels. Also, I've monitored the framerate and polygon levels and they are lower than that of the PS2, even though the PSP is capable of beating the PS2.

 

And finally to Keystrike. It may be your opinion that Birth by Sleep is better than Kingdom Hearts 2 but I think that Kingdom Hearts 2 was more of an experience. All of the levels in Birth by Sleep were shorter, in order to accommodate the three points of view. It was also a bit ridiculous how they just kept missing each other. The levelling in Kingdom Hearts 2 is a lot more in depth an the Keyblades looked nicer. Anyway that is just my opinion.

Viscoan.

 

Birth By sleep had Unversed, Heartless, and Nobodies. Clearly you have been mistasken my friend. And once again I do not think vol.2 will be a side story and it may be more important then most of you guys think.

It did not have Heartless or Nobodies. The only part with heartless was when Aqua was in the RoD and you didn't fight them.

Man you just really made a long post. KH2: final Mix is my second favorite but it's not better than BBS. I could sit here and tell why but I don't feel like making another extremly long post. Also BBS had all three types of enemies.

 

dude kh2fm is way better but the part about him saying the bosses were harder i was like meh mf is harder than terra but still kh2fm is a way better game and its not as cheap but bbs is nice too

It did not have Heartless or Nobodies. The only part with heartless was when Aqua was in the RoD and you didn't fight them.

 

So you just denied the fact that it doesn't have Heartless and then said it did in one part, even though that one part counts. And No Heart is considered a Nobody.

So you just denied the fact that it doesn't have Heartless and then said it did in one part, even though that one part counts. And No Heart is considered a Nobody.

 

it doesn't cause he said u don't fight them aqua does fight them in fm lol FAIL expect if that post is before fm got released if its not tho its a fail

I am 90% positive it is a side game:

-three main games in a row, I don't think so (kh3, 3d, and v2)

-everything we saw in the trailer was practically the other side to the story we have seen so far so ya.

 

Still, although it is a side game, I suspect it to be made better than the other side games because I doubt it will be relesed on ngp or ds, the psp and so will have to live up to bbs more so.

 

How can a sequel to a main game not be a main game? Besides, it's not like main games are infrequent, and it's not like BBSv2 has been announced or anything.

 

I agree in everything Viscoan but only one thing , when u said about bbs (bad graphic), actually comparing it with other PSP games I would say that it have the best grahpic in all PSP games

 

BBS, like many KH games, are graphical proving grounds for Square. BBS is one of the best looking games on the PSP, comparing to things like God of War, and little else. I think Type 0 will beat BBS when ti comes out though.

 

Now to King of Hearts. I agree with you that Birth by Sleep had the best graphics on the PSP so far, except maybe Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, but if you look closely at things you can see jagged edges, the Keyblades look completely flat and their faces and hair have low pixels. Also, I've monitored the framerate and polygon levels and they are lower than that of the PS2, even though the PSP is capable of beating the PS2.

 

1- Advent Children is a prerendered movie. It's CGI. BBS is almost entirely done with an in-game engine (There is a CGI opening, and a few of the scenes from the secret ending are prerenderd) Advent Children is not a showcase of the PSPs graphics, it's just a video.

2- The graphics are flat because 2D images use considerably less space than 3D ones, and are easier to process. Have a closer look in KH2; you remember those heartless you can fight on the top of Pride Rock in the Pride Lands? All the ones flying around you are 2D images. So are the heartless during the 1000 heartless battle.

3- The PSP does not have the power to beat the PS2, unless the PS2 game was a particularly low graphical quality game in the first place. That's why most of the stuff in BBS is flat, because the PSPs graphics are somewhere between the PS1 and the PS2. A PSP can't render nearly as much at once as a PS2

 

So you just denied the fact that it doesn't have Heartless and then said it did in one part, even though that one part counts. And No Heart is considered a Nobody.

 

Why is No Heart considered a Nobody? We know nothing about him, and popular theory is that he's a recording of Xehanrot in his armour. Besides, there are no known Nobodies as of BBS, and the Mirage Arena is really nothing more than a mirage, it doesn't mean anything. I doubt TAV even go there canonically.

You can take my opinion seriously as I've played every single game.

I don't care if you've played all the games or not. If you as a person is a stupid moron (Not saying that you are) then it doesn't really matter if you've played all the games.

 

 

It featured harder bosses,

 

No. Most of the bosses there were a lot easier then the once featured in KH1.

 

 

better level system

 

What’s the difference between the levelling up system in KH1 and KH2?

 

 

better (and more in-depth) synthesis

 

True, the synthesising in KH2 was much better than the one from KH1. The layout and how it was put together was a lot better.

 

 

more cutscenes

 

Yeah, so? This isn’t really a good argument for why a game is better than another one.

 

 

much better level designs

 

This isn’t something you can state as a fact. Whether or not the level designs are better is for each player to decide. In my opinion, the levels in KH2 were boring and easy to navigate through. While in KH1 the level designs were much more interesting and fun to play in.

 

 

graphics and character design

 

Yes the graphics were better. Better character designs is just the same as your statement about the level designs being better; it is something player decides for themselves.

 

 

The menus were also better

 

True, the menus were a lot more organized than the one in KH1 but, the menus for all KH games after KH1 has been organized pretty well. So your better menu argument doesn’t only apply for KH2, and therefore doesn’t really work.

 

 

much harder Hades Paradox Cup than Kingdom Hearts 1

 

Not really, KH1 was a lot hard than KH2 in terms of boss battles, regular enemies and level designs.

Okay, the cups KH2 could sometimes be pretty hard so I would say that it is a draw.

 

 

Birth by Sleep, on the other side, had a less well thought out plot

 

The plot was a lot more, well thought out than KH2. For example, when a player visited a world in Birth By Sleep, the plot of that particular world actually connected to the main plot. Whether it connect directly like in Radiant Garden, or if it connect indirectly like in Deep Space where you learned about something connect too the one of the themes for the series.

In KH2 when you visited a world, it would barely make an impact for the overall plot or theme.

 

 

was rather boring having to start from Level 1 again 3 times,

 

What did you expect to start at level 50 with each character? You always start at level 1 in all the games, deal with it.

 

had sufficiently less polygons, bad graphics

 

The game had fewer polygons than KH2 yes, but it still has as much as it needs. The graphic is still good.

Birth By Sleep has bad graphics? Are you blind? The graphic is just as good as the graphic was for the KH games for the PS2.

 

easier walkthroughs of levels

 

The levels were just as easy as the ones you’ll find in KH2.

 

 

no synthesis at all

 

Is that really that big of a deal? All the games can’t every single thing the other games have had.

 

 

less strategy in boss battles

 

I would say BBS has more strategy than most of the KH games. In BBS you have to find the right commands for different boss battles. While in KH1 and KH2 it’s for the most part just smashing the attack button.

 

 

constant button spamming of []-(square)

 

If square was the only button you pressed while playing BBS then you’re stupid.

 

 

and some cases of rather pathetic voice actors (Snow White being a prime example) compared to Kingdom Hearts 1.

 

All the games have a few bad voice actors, but they also have great ones as well.

 

 

Now if we look at the addition to features in Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix. It included a complete remake of Chain of Memories (RE), which I rank third of the side-stories, it had data versions (harder versions) of all of the Organization XIII members which you could fight, better weather effects, new Keyblades, a new form, a boss fight with Roxas which was previously a cutscene (it includes the cutscene as well but with thunder as well as rain ), a mushroom XIII side-quest, a Terra boss fight, new synthesis materials and recipes, new Gummi ship mini-game, a fourth difficulty rating, more abilities and equipment, two new areas, a lot of new cutscenes (with strong references to Birth by Sleep, all of the extra features in the US version of Kingdom Hearts 2 and a longer final level.

 

Now if we look at the new things added in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep:Final Mix. It had three extra secret bosses, included all of the extra features in the US version of Birth by Sleep, had a secret level (and a Monstro level again) and another secret ending (in addition to Blank points), which has caused much controversy and more mini-games. That is it. Much less compared to Kingdom Hearts 2:Final Mix.

 

None of this helped you in any shape or form to prove that KH2FM is the best KH game. All you did was too point out that KH2FM has more additional content than BBSFM.

KH2FM is the best Final Mix. Not based on the original game itself, but based on how much extra content it has. BBSFM is a better game or just as good as KH2FM, but KH2FM is a better Final Mix than BBSFM.

 

 

I didn't like the new voice of mickey either I wished they could have dubbed Wayne Allwine (R.I.P.).

 

Give the new guy some time, he’ll get better over after awhile.

How were they supposed to dub Wayne Allwine?

 

 

I also missed having companions along the journey which, you may think this is weird, give a sense of self-assurance.

 

The game would lag too much if you would have companies throughout the whole game.

 

 

I also missed Gummy missions and tournaments in the Coliseum.

 

The Gummi Ship-like mission was probably not included due to not having time too add it or either, there wasn’t enough space left. But I missed it too though.

The tournaments were moved to Mirage Arena.

 

 

The Side-story Games:

1-Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep: Final <ix

2-Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep

3-Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days

4-Kingdom Hearts RE:Chain of Memories

5-Kingdom Hearts RE:Coded

6-Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories

7-Kingdom Hearts Coded

The Main-story Games:

1-Kingdom Hearts 2:Final Mix

2-Kingdom Hearts 2

3-Kingdom Hearts 1:Final Mix

4-Kingdom Hearts 1

That's 11 games in total. 7 Side-stories. 4-Main-stories. A ratio of 7-4

By 2017 I hope it will be:

That's 17 games in total. 10 Side-stories. 6-Main-stories A ratio of 5-3(a reduced ratio )

The three extra Side-stories I hope would be:

-KH3D

-KHBBS:V2

-KHBBS:V2-FM

The three extra Main-stories I hope would be:

-Kingdom Hearts 3

-Kingdom Hearts 3:Final Mix.

 

Tetsuya Nomura has said many times now that Birth By Sleep is a main game. It can be called KH0. Dream Drop Distance too has been said to be a main game.

 

 

 

So, after reading all of this I would at least have expected you to have some good arguments for why KH2FM is the best KH game, but no. You have few decent ones but not enough to prove too why it is the best game.

Also story is an extremely important point when it comes to what makes a game good. But did you ever mention it? Only once.

A few things: Gummi Ship stuff was probably removed because it was one of the biggest complaints about KH1 and 2.

BBS did have synthesis. Command synthesis.

KH2 has Mena Suvari as Aerith. This single bad voice actor negates any bad voice actor from any other KH game ever.

I'm sorry Viscoan but you did not really give good reasons as to why KH2 Final Mix is the best game. And I think you should re-check some of your facts.