KH3D Xehanort's Grand Scheme

[Vorian_Rob 49]

The scene at the end of the trailer takes place before KH1. Just before Radiant Garden fell. Ansem and Xehanort had been researching the Darkness when an accident in the lab created the first of the heartless. I have a theory that I have been meaning to express for a while and just havent had the motivation to write it out.

 

If they are strong enough, when a person falls to darkness their being is split into 3 parts. The Heart, the Body, and the Mind. Respectively:

Heart -> Heartless

Body -> Nobody

Mind -> Lingering Sentiment (An advanced form of an Unversed)

 

Ansem had taken Xehanort as his apprentice and they researched the darkness together. When one of their experiments cause the creation of the first Heartless, they poured themselves even deeper into their research. Xehanort saw this as an opportunity, He believed that if the peices could be split, then they could most likely be rejoined by way of the keyblade. If he could manage to split himself, he could rid himself of Terra's Heart. Then all he would have to do is gather himself back together and he would have complete control of his new form. He knew that at least Terra had passed on his Keyblade to another weilder. If he could coerce that weilder into defeating his three parts they would rejoin once again free of Terra.

What we most likely just saw in the trailer was Xehanort's experiments on "more powerful" people. He had to be sure that he could maintain his awareness when he was split. So he used his lab assistants as guinea pigs. These people eventually became the innermost members of the Organization. Whether he did it himself or he was struck down by one of the heartless he had created, I dont know, but I am sure we will find out soon enough.

Xehanort's being was split. The Heartless it created banished Ansem the wise from the world and took up his identity as his own as a kick in the face to his old Master. The new "Ansem" plunged Radiant Garden into darkness which in turn began the heartless plague that began devouring worlds. The few stronger residents eventually became the remaining members of the Organization.

Xehanort's plan had been set in motion. He no longer had control of his split self, but he knew that sooner or later "Terra's Protege' " would come in keyblade in hand to defeat the cause of the darkness. He found the boy, seeped him in darkness in an attempt to make him into his puppet. But then another appeared, Sora.

Sora played his part beautifully, He struck down Ansem without a second thought. The first piece. The Heart.

But Xehanort wasn't done. The Organization proceeded to provoke "The Keyblade's Chosen" once more. And of course, like the blockheaded puppet that he is, Sora raced off to "destroy the darkness" once more. Sora and Riku destroyed the Organization one by one, barrelling their way towards Xemnas. Xemnas had already captured his "Sentiment" and strapped him to a throne on the head of the Twilight Dragon. Sora and Riku struck down NoHeart without even knowing what it was. The second part. The Mind.

Eventually they confronted Xemnas and destroyed him as well. The Third piece returned to the Whole. The Body. Master Xehanort would return. Frankly the depth of of his planning is astounding.

So now Master Xehanort has returned, and free of the constraints that held him back (Terra). Yen Sid has noticed the return of his old colleague and has called Sora and Riku for proper instruction in the use of a keyblade, because as they are, they can not defeat Xehanort. Which brings us to Dream Drop Distance.

[Oishii 3,987]

Very well put together. I would like to see the "Scientific Report" of Xehanort's idea of stabbing people with the keyblade It would probably be a hilarious read. But I've been thinking that with Nomura saying this will change the way we look at the whole series, that we would find out that everything was part of some huge scheme like you've illustrated. There are probably more details we will get with DDD coming out to fill in more places. But I would like to see if the sentiments do take a large role in this. And what will be of Terra then? So much to think about

[TerraRedeemed 255]

well conceived but i think there is a little too much assumption and no evidance to support it.

[Aru Akise 2,540]

I'd like to point out some lines that I think are mistaken.

It takes Body AND soul to form a Nobody.

We aren't sure whether Apprentice Xehanort had regained his memories.

He does have full control and awareness of his being while heartless/nobody.

He still has Terra within him while, at least, a nobody.

You said, "the first heartless". You mean the first heartless they have seen, right? Because the realm of darkness has been full of them since always.

 

In short, I think there many mistakes there, but I cannot disagree with it enrirely, because MX DID tell Terra he had lots of ways to choose from.

[Vorian_Rob 49]

I'd like to point out some lines that I think are mistaken.

It takes Body AND soul to form a Nobody.

We aren't sure whether Apprentice Xehanort had regained his memories.

He does have full control and awareness of his being while heartless/nobody.

He still has Terra within him while, at least, a nobody.

You said, "the first heartless". You mean the first heartless they have seen, right? Because the realm of darkness has been full of them since always.

 

In short, I think there many mistakes there, but I cannot disagree with it enrirely, because MX DID tell Terra he had lots of ways to choose from.

 

I am not saying my theory is 100% correct. But there is a lot of evidence to support it. Infact most of this info comes from the Ansem reports hidden throughout the series. Like I said though it is a theory. Though I will do my best to answer your points to the best of my knowledge. I am numbering them to address each point not to sound like a know-it-all prick, so sorry in advance if it makes it seem ruder than is my intent.

1/ There is no mention of a Soul in KH beyond Riku's sword's name. It is pretty much assumed that the "Heart" and "soul" are synonymous in this series.

2/ You are correct in stating that we do not know if he regained his memory or not. However the fact that he manifested a keyblade stands in point to be good evidence that he did. So at least for this theory I will assume he did.

3/ We dont know this for sure, but all three, Ansem Xemnas and Xehanort, all seemed to have different goals in mind which is how I reached this conclusion. Also there was a lot of focus on Kingdom Hearts by Ansem and Xemnas, an entity that Xehanort was able to summon with a Single hand to use as a backdrop in BBS.which says 1 of 2 things. Either Xehanort is unbelievably more powerfull than his counterparts, or Kingdom Hearts was a distraction to provoke Sora's rage.

4/ Terra WAS in him as of the end of BBS. We have no evidence of that now. And a master of darkness like Master Xehanort doesnt become a heartless unintentionally, My theory is that this was done in an attempt to rid himself of Terra. I am guessing Terra conciousness is floating around somewhere now. It will probably appear, either to Riku in DDD or Ventus in BBSv2.

5/ By the first heartless I did mean the first heartless that was the start of the swarm that overran the worlds. I am sure there have been scattered appearance here and there throughout time, but this one was the first of the heartless essential to the plot.

 

I hope this helped clarify a little about what I meant. I have thought this out pretty thoroughly so I am happy to answer any other questions about my theory http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png

[Aru Akise 2,540]

I am not saying my theory is 100% correct. But there is a lot of evidence to support it. Infact most of this info comes from the Ansem reports hidden throughout the series. Like I said though it is a theory. Though I will do my best to answer your points to the best of my knowledge. I am numbering them to address each point not to sound like a know-it-all prick, so sorry in advance if it makes it seem ruder than is my intent.

1/ There is no mention of a Soul in KH beyond Riku's sword's name. It is pretty much assumed that the "Heart" and "soul" are synonymous in this series.

2/ You are correct in stating that we do not know if he regained his memory or not. However the fact that he manifested a keyblade stands in point to be good evidence that he did. So at least for this theory I will assume he did.

3/ We dont know this for sure, but all three, Ansem Xemnas and Xehanort, all seemed to have different goals in mind which is how I reached this conclusion. Also there was a lot of focus on Kingdom Hearts by Ansem and Xemnas, an entity that Xehanort was able to summon with a Single hand to use as a backdrop in BBS.which says 1 of 2 things. Either Xehanort is unbelievably more powerfull than his counterparts, or Kingdom Hearts was a distraction to provoke Sora's rage.

4/ Terra WAS in him as of the end of BBS. We have no evidence of that now. And a master of darkness like Master Xehanort doesnt become a heartless unintentionally, My theory is that this was done in an attempt to rid himself of Terra. I am guessing Terra conciousness is floating around somewhere now. It will probably appear, either to Riku in DDD or Ventus in BBSv2.

5/ By the first heartless I did mean the first heartless that was the start of the swarm that overran the worlds. I am sure there have been scattered appearance here and there throughout time, but this one was the first of the heartless essential to the plot.

 

I hope this helped clarify a little about what I meant. I have thought this out pretty thoroughly so I am happy to answer any other questions about my theory http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png

 

Of course. Not rude by any means. So:

1: Souls are mentioned in one of Secret Ansem Reports.

2: Agreed.

3: Master Xehanort didn't summon KH with his single hand. KH appears whenever the X-Blade is about to be forged.

4: I say that Terra was in Xenmas because he has Terra's memories. But then again, a nobody isn't supposed to have a heart, so maybe neither Terra's nor MX's hearts were within him.

5: Agreed.

[keystrike 145]

I can see Xehanorts plan being to split himself to rid himself of Terra once and for all. However, the part about the mind is quite iffy. The mind isn't an essential part of a being like the heart, body, and soul. The mind seems to be shaped by ones memories and emotions. When Terra's lingering sentiment was born, Terra's mind continued to live on withing Terra-Xehanort, and those last powerful thoughts and emotions that inhabited Terra's armor formed a new mind. Thus, that part about the mind and Xemnas getting it I find unlikely, but it was still a nice theory.

[Vorian_Rob 49]

Of course. Not rude by any means. So:

1: Souls are mentioned in one of Secret Ansem Reports.

2: Agreed.

3: Master Xehanort didn't summon KH with his single hand. KH appears whenever the X-Blade is about to be forged.

4: I say that Terra was in Xenmas because he has Terra's memories. But then again, a nobody isn't supposed to have a heart, so maybe neither Terra's nor MX's hearts were within him.

5: Agreed.

 

1. I must have missed that report if you know the number I will go back and read it and see how it fits in and/or changes my theory.

4. Xemnas doesnt appear to have too many memories specific to Terra that I remember. Also neither heart is in there, that is why Ansem (he heartless) exists. Terra is likely a little ball of light looking for a home, similar to Ventus at the end of BBS when he was looking for Sora

[Vorian_Rob 49]

I can see Xehanorts plan being to split himself to rid himself of Terra once and for all. However, the part about the mind is quite iffy. The mind isn't an essential part of a being like the heart, body, and soul. The mind seems to be shaped by ones memories and emotions. When Terra's lingering sentiment was born, Terra's mind continued to live on withing Terra-Xehanort, and those last powerful thoughts and emotions that inhabited Terra's armor formed a new mind. Thus, that part about the mind and Xemnas getting it I find unlikely, but it was still a nice theory.

 

By definition in BBS an Unversed is a manefestation of ones thoughts. A Sentiment is an advanced form of an Unversed created when ones thoughts left behind after they are lost, are so strong that they form a concious being. Not every person that falls would create a Sentiment, just like not all Nobodies keep a human form. But this is the most logical explanation for the placement of ones conciousness after being Split. It also would explain why the Sentiments are so much stronger than the originals.

[Aru Akise 2,540]

I can see Xehanorts plan being to split himself to rid himself of Terra once and for all. However, the part about the mind is quite iffy. The mind isn't an essential part of a being like the heart, body, and soul. The mind seems to be shaped by ones memories and emotions. When Terra's lingering sentiment was born, Terra's mind continued to live on withing Terra-Xehanort, and those last powerful thoughts and emotions that inhabited Terra's armor formed a new mind. Thus, that part about the mind and Xemnas getting it I find unlikely, but it was still a nice theory.

 

Nomura himself stated that the mind is important here.

[Vorian_Rob 49]

Mysterious_Figure_Vanitas asked:

I really like this theory. And it's actually brilliant. If No Heart was forced onto the throne of the Twilight Dragon, then why did No Heart fight Sora and Riku? Do you think he was forced? And for that matter, if Terra was thrown out of his own body, what would become of him?

 

I used to think that Xehanort split himself apart, so that the power acquired by the pieces would return to the whole, making Xehanort even stronger than in BBS. I just don't understand how Xehanort got his memory back enough to use his Keyblade, and why he forgot again in the first two Kingdom Hearts games.

 

1/ If you go back and look at the final fight of KH2 you can see than NoHeart is chained down all except his sword arm. Sora and Riku, believing he was part of Xemnas, just started swinging. Wouldn't you fight back too in that position?

2/ Terra is most likely floating around looking for a home, much like Ventus at the end of BBS. He will more than likely appear to Riku in DDD or Ventus in BBSv2

3/ As for the question of Xehanort's memories. Amnesia can be cured by any number of external stimulae. So how he got it back is irrelevent. It may have just returned to him after a while. As for the Keyblade. That goes back to what I said about Xehanort no longer haveing concious control after being split. The simplest answer is they didnt use a keyblade because the part of them that was necessary to weild it was not there. This could explain why Ansem and Xemnas can't use a Keyblade but NoHeart can.

[keystrike 145]

Nomura himself stated that the mind is important here.

 

Umm, Nomura hardly mentions the mind. I recall him using the word mind only once, maybe twice: once concerning how Xemnas and XH were functioning under two different minds, and the other time possibly when talking about Terra's lingering spirit.

[got it memorized 3]

I like where this theory is going. as for the debate over heartless and when they were originally around, wasn't there something talked about a long time ago with something about real heartless vs emblem heartless? is that what you guys are thinking of, or was that idea also dis-proven some time ago?

[SkyEmerald 73]

 

 

Umm, Nomura hardly mentions the mind. I recall him using the word mind only once, maybe twice: once concerning how Xemnas and XH were functioning under two different minds, and the other time possibly when talking about Terra's lingering spirit.

 

I think he means memories. Memories are important as shown in days when Xion stole Sora's memories.

This theory is nicely written though if it's not something similar to this what could Xehanortns true plan have been? Kingdom hearts is one of the hardest games out there to speculate and be accurate...

[twilightexterio4 9]

I think he means memories. Memories are important as shown in days when Xion stole Sora's memories.

This theory is nicely written though if it's not something similar to this what could Xehanortns true plan have been? Kingdom hearts is one of the hardest games out there to speculate and be accurate...

 

I know what you mean there. They only give you so much information to work off of that can link to past or future games if you pay attention. And some info can be a dead end or so complex they have complete the chain in a seperate game. For some people, all these different pathes of thought can be headaches to understand.

[Vorian_Rob 49]

Wow, so much just came to light in this new trailer. I'll tell you, I was NEVER expecting to see Riku Replica again. This man has some serious connections. Time do see how this fits into the grand scheme of things. o.o

[cancer33 2]

 

I am not saying my theory is 100% correct. But there is a lot of evidence to support it. Infact most of this info comes from the Ansem reports hidden throughout the series. Like I said though it is a theory. Though I will do my best to answer your points to the best of my knowledge. I am numbering them to address each point not to sound like a know-it-all prick, so sorry in advance if it makes it seem ruder than is my intent.

1/ There is no mention of a Soul in KH beyond Riku's sword's name. It is pretty much assumed that the "Heart" and "soul" are synonymous in this series.

2/ You are correct in stating that we do not know if he regained his memory or not. However the fact that he manifested a keyblade stands in point to be good evidence that he did. So at least for this theory I will assume he did.

3/ We dont know this for sure, but all three, Ansem Xemnas and Xehanort, all seemed to have different goals in mind which is how I reached this conclusion. Also there was a lot of focus on Kingdom Hearts by Ansem and Xemnas, an entity that Xehanort was able to summon with a Single hand to use as a backdrop in BBS.which says 1 of 2 things. Either Xehanort is unbelievably more powerfull than his counterparts, or Kingdom Hearts was a distraction to provoke Sora's rage.

4/ Terra WAS in him as of the end of BBS. We have no evidence of that now. And a master of darkness like Master Xehanort doesnt become a heartless unintentionally, My theory is that this was done in an attempt to rid himself of Terra. I am guessing Terra conciousness is floating around somewhere now. It will probably appear, either to Riku in DDD or Ventus in BBSv2.

5/ By the first heartless I did mean the first heartless that was the start of the swarm that overran the worlds. I am sure there have been scattered appearance here and there throughout time, but this one was the first of the heartless essential to the plot.

 

I hope this helped clarify a little about what I meant. I have thought this out pretty thoroughly so I am happy to answer any other questions about my theory http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png

 

what about master eraqus didn't he have a lingering segment?

[Vorian_Rob 49]

what about master eraqus didn't he have a lingering segment?

 

Well The Armor of the Master was more of a what if boss, just to show what Eraqus' would look like and so Japan could have another cool fight we will never get. However for all intensive purposes, yes he did.

[TheHeartsDepths 13]

Sora is not a block head puppet! :angry: He just did what he thought was best in his heart to protect and get his friends back!!!

 

~But other than that I think that's a pretty good idea on what Xehanort might of planned~ http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png

[Vorian_Rob 49]

Sora is not a block head puppet! :angry: He just did what he thought was best in his heart to protect and get his friends back!!!

 

~But other than that I think that's a pretty good idea on what Xehanort might of planned~ http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png

 

Sora IS a blockheaded puppet. But that is exactly what makes him such a loveable character. Sora has an extremely one track mind, on many occasions that has caused him to miss everything going on around him. Sora is easy to read, if you summon a heartless he is going to kill it, if you capture his friends he is going to rush to save them, and if you tell him you have all the powers of darkness he is going to run up your arm and poke you in the eye with his shiny key until you disappear. Its a personality quirk that makes him who he is, if he werent a blockheaded puppet then he simply wouldnt be the Sora we all know and love.

[PrinceWatermelon 59]

Sora IS a blockheaded puppet. But that is exactly what makes him such a loveable character. Sora has an extremely one track mind, on many occasions that has caused him to miss everything going on around him. Sora is easy to read, if you summon a heartless he is going to kill it, if you capture his friends he is going to rush to save them, and if you tell him you have all the powers of darkness he is going to run up your arm and poke you in the eye with his shiny key until you disappear. Its a personality quirk that makes him who he is, if he werent a blockheaded puppet then he simply wouldnt be the Sora we all know and love.

 

Agreed.

 

 

Well The Armor of the Master was more of a what if boss, just to show what Eraqus' would look like and so Japan could have another cool fight we will never get. However for all intensive purposes, yes he did.

 

Couldn't Eraqus be waiting for both his remaining pieces (if they aren't already dead) to be destroyed? Sure, this is a stretch, but Terra beat Eraqus to a pulp but MX was the one to kill him. MX(to some extent) was the same person who turned Braig, Ienzo, and Aeleus into Nobodies/Heartless, with a Keyblade too. If the Lingering Sentiment is returned, then Eraqus has a chance of coming back. We need Mark Hamill back. T-T

[Vorian_Rob 49]

Again I am pretty sure that Armor of the Master was a "what if" boss, but theoretically you are correct. Assuming that a Heartless and a Nobody were created when Eraqus died then there is a possibility that Mark Hamil will grace our ears once more. Even if not, I doubt that is the last we have seen of the character. Likely we will see him appear to the BBS protagonists much as Mufasa and Ben Kenobi appeared to Simba and Luke. If he does have a heartless and/or a Nobody, then we will likely have to battle him before waking Ven once more.