Hang on a minute, they said that it's impossible to mess with past events with time travel, but sora and the gang did just that in the timeless river! Is this right?

^ They made sure time wasn't changed in Timeless River. Nothing ground breaking really happened anyway, and that "time travel" is completely different than YMX's method.

Edited September 9, 201213 yr by Silent Fantasy

They didn't really mess with time nor change any events destined to happen.

But malificent did mess with time, at least temporarily

It's different, one was a portal between times, the other is actively moving around time. Essentially Maleficent/Pete found a loophole, a way to effect the past without using time travel in Xehanort's sense.

But malificent did mess with time, at least temporarily

 

I think that world is special and limited. It is there only because disney castle is a rly vulnerable world. Lets just say that in that world you can change the future but ONLY for disney castle. It could make sense since disney castle has the cornestone of light and without it, it would fall to darkness so easily Pretty much in that world time is not moving and every day, the same things are happening.

Yes but Merlin, a character not from that world, was able to open a door. Thus these kind of doors can be opened in other worlds as well

 

That means that in order to have

Knowlage of that spell, he would of had to do it before, in a different world

What YMX did is different than what Sora and co. did. YMX was traveling through time at the cost of his body to past versions of himself. Sora and co. used a specially made door to travel to the past version of Disney Castle. YMX was simply stating the restrictions of his method. If it applied to using the door, than Sora shouldn't have been able to go to Timeless River at all because he had never been there before.

** Sigh** The methods of time travel in KH2 and in DDD with the Norts arent the same so they don't follow the same rules .. That is all.

To be fair, Sora and Riku traveled through time in DDD too, and in a different manner than Xehanort. Each method has its restrictions.

Technically wasn't it Malicifent who was trying to mess up the pass by stealing the cornerstone. Sora and co' simply put it right and made sure it didn't fall into the clutches of evil and remained part of disney castle like it should have been being time travel was included.

Then why didn't Xehanort just make a few doors and make a flawless plan

 

Plus he said that thoughs were the rules of time travel, not just his

Master Xehanort should spend some time in Timeless River... Go fishin' or take a cruise on Pete's steamboat; he can chill and maybe do something about those wrinkles.

Then why didn't Xehanort just make a few doors and make a flawless plan

 

Plus he said that thoughs were the rules of time travel, not just his

 

He stated the rules for HIS time travel .He never stated that was the one and only way it could be done and the only set of rules that apply to it in the whole universe. You are grasping at straws.

I'm just saying that it would of been easier to make a door for each of his other selves then the mad elaborate plan if a guy had all that time he would of at least tried other options

I'm just saying that it would of been easier to make a door for each of his other selves then the mad elaborate plan if a guy had all that time he would of at least tried other options

 

When did he have time to implement that version of time travel, he only stumbled on his way of time travel as a result of becoming a heartless. Master Xehanort might not have knowledge or the resources to make those portals he is not Yen Sid or Merlin.

Edited September 9, 201213 yr by devereauxr

You deny my theory but offer no counter. Your move

 

You deny my theory but offer no counter. Your move

 

Never mind

 

When did he have time to implement that version of time travel, he only stumbled on his way of time travel as a result of becoming a heartless. Master Xehanort might not have knowledge or the resources to make those portals he is not Yen Sid or Merlin.

 

The fact that he has had multiple lives to study all kinds of things, plus using malificent as a pawn, he should of at least have knowlage of its existence

You deny my theory but offer no counter. Your move

 

 

Never mind

 

 

 

The fact that he has had multiple lives to study all kinds of things, plus using malificent as a pawn, he should of at least have knowlage of its existence

 

. Xehanort ISNT yen sid or merlin . He found out he could time travel after he turned into a heartless so he utilized it as a back up plan just in case his vessels werent successful . Tell me how he wouldve known before that how to ??. Just because Merlin knows one way to doesnt mean Xehanort knew how to the same way ..Seriously .Also he had ONE lifetime that wasnt even finished not multiple considering he just took over Terra right before he did that and he was still living as an old man when it happened.Why the firetruck do you think he was experimenting in the first place ? Because he didnt know shit .lol

Edited September 9, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

You deny my theory but offer no counter. Your move

 

 

Never mind

 

 

 

The fact that he has had multiple lives to study all kinds of things, plus using malificent as a pawn, he should of at least have knowlage of its existence

 

Ok lets look at the time frame here, from the time Apprentice Xehanort actually regained his memories he spent most of his time researching the heart, creating the heartless, and preparing the first group to become his vessels. As Ansem SOD he spent his time setting up their back up plan and creating the false kingdom hearts. As Xemnas he was busy gather the thirteen vessels to encase pieces of his heart. In none of those forms did he have any interaction with maleficent whatsoever so your point is moot. Not to mention Maleficent herself did not know of those door ways until Kingdom hearts 2, so explain to me how was he getting that information from her.

It wasn't a back up plan, it was his plan all along, also you didn't even acknowledge the fact that a person who was using malificent wouldnt of noticed that she discoverd a way to seamlessly time travel

 

Your move /:)

 

This was to flaming lea

It wasn't a back up plan, it was his plan all along, also you didn't even acknowledge the fact that a person who was using malificent wouldnt of noticed that she discoverd a way to seamlessly time travel

 

Your move /:)

 

This was to flaming lea

 

Time travel was the backup plan just in case the original organization members ended up not being sucessful vessels, http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mCcAkhJpdk

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7zz0kTAxLI&feature=relmfu

Als

Edited September 9, 201213 yr by devereauxr

It wasn't a back up plan, it was his plan all along, also you didn't even acknowledge the fact that a person who was using malificent wouldnt of noticed that she discoverd a way to seamlessly time travel

 

Your move /:)

 

This was to flaming lea

 

He straight up SAID it was his back up plan . This is FACT . It was only back up in case it didnt work with the org members he gathered . He stated this ..He stumbled upon it by accident when he became a heartless. Maleficent also didnt know what he was REALLY trying to do so what makes you think they even discussed this or that it even ever came up ? He was using her which he also admitted . She wasnt in the know of what he truly was doing ..Also , this isnt chess so the 'your move ' comments are ridiculous and rude . If you can't admit you are grasping at straws then i dont even have to bother to respond further . Also when you are responding to someone, you 'quote them ' when you post . Not say 'this is to so and so '

Ok lets look at the time frame here, from the time Apprentice Xehanort actually regained his memories he spent most of his time researching the heart, creating the heartless, and preparing the first group to become his vessels. As Ansem SOD he spent his time setting up their back up plan and creating the false kingdom hearts. As Xemnas he was busy gather the thirteen vessels to encase pieces of his heart. In none of those forms did he have any interaction with maleficent whatsoever so your point is moot. Not to mention Maleficent herself did not know of those door ways until Kingdom hearts 2, so explain to me how was he getting that information from her.

 

But he said that he manipulated malificent in DDD, in kh 1 he made her gather the princesses and then manupulated riku to "kill" her I don't think he would just leave her be after finding out that she was alive, if she made a discovery of the door, I think he would of found out

But he said that he manipulated malificent in DDD, in kh 1 he made her gather the princesses and then manupulated riku to "kill" her I don't think he would just leave her be after finding out that she was alive, if she made a discovery of the door, I think he would of found out

 

He used her and she wasnt in the know of what his real plan was ., Nor did he need her after the fact so why would he care what she was up to ?

But he said that he manipulated malificent in DDD, in kh 1 he made her gather the princesses and then manupulated riku to "kill" her I don't think he would just leave her be after finding out that she was alive, if she made a discovery of the door, I think he would of found out

 

Yes MX manipulated Maleficent in BBS and led her to go seek and gather the princesses. After that he never bothered to keep tabs on her because not only did he know that she would carry out her will, but he had his own agenda aka possesing Terra and forging the X-Blade to worry about. He not once interacted with her after that point.