The Chambers

[XIIISwords 1,059]

So we know that there are the Chambers of Waking and Repose. We know that Ventus is still sleeping in the Chamber of Waking, while Xemnas would visit the Chamber of Repose. Since Xemnas is back, he may still have access to the Chamber of Repose, but not much is known about it other than it housing Aqua's armor. But there was a small sentence in KH 2 FM that may shed some light onto this. In the scene, Xigbar told Zexion that he had seen Xemnas in the room, and thought that he had heard another voice.

 

But whose voice?

 

I think there are... oops, still in italics... three reasonable possibilities.

• Xehanort- Maybe the Chamber allowed Xemnas to connect with his past self so that they could further concrete their plan. It could also have been Young Xehanort visiting him.
• Aqua- Maybe her armor has a connection to her spirit/heart, and maybe he can hear her from the Realm of Darkness.
• Ventus- ... Really?

I'd like to call attention to Ventus because I haven't seen this mentioned before. What if the two chairs are connected, and somehow Ventus is communicating with Xemnas. Kind of like like a Palantir in Lord of the Rings.

 

Now if this is the case, maybe the throne is a seat that connects the two rooms, and maybe Sora can use it to find Ventus or the way to Castle Oblivion (remember, only the Organization has been able to visit it since).

 

Ideas? Then again, Xemnas could be talking to himself and changing the inflection of his voice to make himself feel less lonely.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Xemnas was talking to Aquas armor .Plus , Ven is in a 'coma". He isnt talking to anybody !

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Ummm Xemnas was talking to Aqua's armor they even had a scene showing that it was Aqua's armor

[XIIISwords 1,059]

I know he was talking to the armor, but didn't Xigbar tell Zexion in another scene that he thought he heard voice? That's plural, as in more than one voice. Who was responding to Xemnas?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Most likely it was aquas armor . It sure as heck couldnt be Ven .Hes in a Coma. He doesnt even talk to Sora and his heart is inside him .

[Kishira 2,854]

Most likely it was aquas armor . It sure as heck couldnt be Ven .Hes in a Coma. He doesnt even talk to Sora and his heart is inside him .

 

That would be creepy if her armor made the same sound as Terra's.... Imagine being left alone in a room with of those. x___x

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That would be creepy if her armor made the same sound as Terra's.... Imagine being left alone in a room with of those. x___x

 

I would be very scared http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-neutral.png That just sounds like my skin would crawl thinking of it lol

Edited September 25, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[wayfinder823 477]

Ummm Xemnas was talking to Aqua's armor they even had a scene showing that it was Aqua's armor

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbm4iRsMoU

 

Wait... now I've never actually watched or followed the FM versions, but I have a question. Are we absolutely positive that man in the cloak is Xemnas? He referred to the armor as, "old friend." But Xemnas and Aqua never met...

what if that's TerraNort?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Wait... now I've never actually watched or followed the FM versions, but I have a question. Are we absolutely positive that man in the cloak is Xemnas? He referred to the armor as, "old friend." But Xemnas and Aqua never met...

what if that's TerraNort?

 

 

Yes because Xigbar was telling Zexion that he overheard Xemnas "talking" to his old friend .People speculate its the Terra in Xemnas OR Xehanort being sarcastic .

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Wait... now I've never actually watched or followed the FM versions, but I have a question. Are we absolutely positive that man in the cloak is Xemnas? He referred to the armor as, "old friend." But Xemnas and Aqua never met...

what if that's TerraNort?

 

Xemnas was one of few people who had access to the secret lab, he was one of two people who actually knew Aqua was and whose armor it belonged to, and he was the one who put Aqua's armor there.

 

Why is Aqua’s armor in The Chamber of Repose?

 

A: Because Aqua tried to save Terra.When she tried to retrieve Terra’s heart from Terra-Xehanort, they both fell into the realm of darkness, and she gave him both her armor and keyblade which allowed him to escape. Because of this when Ansem the Wise picked up Xehanort, he still had the armor and keyblade, which Xemnas then put in The Chamber of Repose.

 

Yes because Xigbar was telling Zexion that he overheard Xemnas "talking" to his old friend .People speculate its the Terra in Xemnas OR Xehanort being sarcastic .

 

This too

[wayfinder823 477]

Xemnas was one of few people who had access to the secret lab, he was one of two people who actually knew Aqua was and whose armor it belonged to, and he was the one who put Aqua's armor there.

 

 

Wait--let me get this straight. Is Xemnas Terranort's Nobody?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Wait--let me get this straight. Is Xemnas Terranort's Nobody?

 

Terranort who is Apprentice Xehanort who produced Xemnas as his nobody and Ansem SOD as his heartless.

[Caity 3,946]

I thought it was Terra, in Xehanort, talking to Aqua's spirit

Lea will save Aqua... Aqua will go get Ven in CO with Sora and co' and find her armor along the way...

That's as much thought as I gave it

[Dave 5,715]

Yes because Xigbar was telling Zexion that he overheard Xemnas "talking" to his old friend .People speculate its the Terra in Xemnas OR Xehanort being sarcastic .

 

The Terra option is unlikely. He might still be kicking around inside TerraNort's heart, but this heart is not present is Xemnas, who is without a heart to speak of. So no channel for Terra there.

 

As for Xehanort being sarcastic... why would he be trying to get a reaction from an inanimate object?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

The Terra option is unlikely. He might still be kicking around inside TerraNort's heart, but this heart is not present is Xemnas, who is without a heart to speak of. So no channel for Terra there.

 

As for Xehanort being sarcastic... why would he be trying to get a reaction from an inanimate object?

 

I think you missed the part where I said people have speculated this is why . Over the many many times its come up thats what people like to say.. Its certainly not the canon reason. .Also with Xemnas growing a heart we dont know what we would get with that ( half xehanort half terra new heart/eraqus heart ?)..As for Xehanort , why was Xemnas talking to armor anyways? Yet he was, so asking about reactions is kinda moot .Its no more unreasonable than actually talking to armor in the first place lol

Edited September 26, 2012 by Flaming Lea

[Dave 5,715]

I think you missed the part where I said people have speculated this is why .

And I gave reason why these speculations are false.

 

As for Xehanort , why was Xemnas talking to armor anyways? Yet he was, so asking about reactions is kinda moot .Its no more unreasonable than actually talking to armor in the first place lol

 

Actually, asking about the reaction is not only far from moot, but the point of the whole thing. Unless he's talking to hear himself talk, he would have expected something to happen as a result of his talking. He has to go to a specific room to do this, with no one else present, so rather than be unreasonable, I think there's a great many reasons.

 

Mind, I don't think they're likely to be good reasons. I'm of the belief that Nomura whips up plot points that he thinks might be cool long before he thinks about giving them reasons.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

And I gave reason why these speculations are false.

 

 

 

Actually, asking about the reaction is not only far from moot, but the point of the whole thing. Unless he's talking to hear himself talk, he would have expected something to happen as a result of his talking. He has to go to a specific room to do this, with no one else present, so rather than be unreasonable, I think there's a great many reasons.

 

Mind, I don't think they're likely to be good reasons. I'm of the belief that Nomura whips up plot points that he thinks might be cool long before he thinks about giving them reasons.

 

BUT see thats my whole point .The fact that he was talking to the armor leads one to believe he was expecting a reaction so asking that is moot .Two, i gave you reasons why they may not be false and why people say this .Both of them reasonable .As for Nomura im not in disagreeance with that since he also loves to retcon stuff along the ways too as well as pulling things from his ass..

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

The Terra option is unlikely. He might still be kicking around inside TerraNort's heart, but this heart is not present is Xemnas, who is without a heart to speak of. So no channel for Terra there.

 

As for Xehanort being sarcastic... why would he be trying to get a reaction from an inanimate object?

 

Umm what is the point of this, just because he's a nobody doesn't mean that there is no channel for Terra. In fact contrary to belief Terra had more of a viable channel through Xemnas then Master Xehanort did. Yes Master Xehanort was the dominant heart within Terranort when he split himself but it's still Terra's body and will that made up the shared nobody. Even when Xemnas grew his heart back by Nomura's own logic it still should be the combined heart of Terra and Master Xehanort.

 

BUT see thats my whole point .The fact that he was talking to the armor leads one to believe he was expecting a reaction so asking that is moot .Two, i gave you reasons why they may not be false and why people say this .Both of them reasonable .As for Nomura im not in disagreeance with that since he also loves to retcon stuff along the ways too as well as pulling things from his ass..

 

Pretty much this Edited September 26, 2012 by devereauxr

[Dave 5,715]

Yes Master Xehanort was the dominant heart within Terranort when he split himself but it's still Terra's body and will that made up the shared nobody.

Body, not soul. His soul is still inside Lingering Will, his heart missing. The body remaining only knows the will and thoughts of Xehanort, who's soul was dominant in TerraNort's body at the time of being split.

 

 

Even when Xemnas grew his heart back by Nomura's own logic it still should be the combined heart of Terra and Master Xehanort.

 

It would grow neither's heart, not in a strict replication. It would grow it's own, and assume its own sense of self. This is what happened to Roxas and Xion.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

Hold on. If Terra's mind is in his armor, then what is fighting MX in the ending (Blank Points) of BBS?

Edited September 26, 2012 by VisitJoan

[Kishira 2,854]

Hold on. If Terra's mind is in his armor, then what is fighting MX in the ending (Blank Points) of BBS?

 

Blank Points is the secret ending though...o0

You mean the last battle in Terra's story, right? That was Terra's mind in his armor fighting Terranort.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

Blank Points is the secret ending though...o0

You mean the last battle in Terra's story, right? That was Terra's mind in his armor fighting Terranort.

 

No. I mean when Terra and MX are together talking. It showed that Terra could be fighting MX's control.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Body, not soul. His soul is still inside Lingering Will, his heart missing. The body remaining only knows the will and thoughts of Xehanort, who's soul was dominant in TerraNort's body at the time of being split.

 

 

 

 

It would grow neither's heart, not in a strict replication. It would grow it's own, and assume its own sense of self. This is what happened to Roxas and Xion.

 

Roxas didnt have Soras memories bc of everything that happened.So when he came into existence he was a blank slate .Xion is a replica and never had another prior existing heart to regrow. So that doesnt even count as the same .Now look at Axel who was regrowing a heart , what did you get ? A similiar heart to what he originnally had . Regardless , Xemnas is part Terra physically and that cant be taken away .And things of Terra would still be there .Just like when Roxas spewed 'look at which one of us is winning ' at Riku when Riku tricked him by saying to him "come on , i thought you could do better than that 'or something along those lines.Roxas spit out what SORA said to Riku in the past. Xemnas still had connections to his heart ( ansem) the same way .He was always aware of his existence ..As for lingering will that is his MIND not his soul..A nobody is someones leftover body and SOUL....Technically MX abandoned his body and soul.. To say theres no terra in Xemnas just isnt true .We just dont know what the new heart of Xemnas would consist of exactly and you cant say for certain terras heart not still in it .

[Kishira 2,854]

 

 

No. I mean when Terra and MX are together talking. It showed that Terra could be fighting MX's control.

 

Oh that, well, it just showed us that Terra is still there. It's been over 10 years and he still hasn't been able to break from Xehanorts control. So...I don't really think he can really fight back all that much, although I really wish he could. T.T

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Body, not soul. His soul is still inside Lingering Will, his heart missing. The body remaining only knows the will and thoughts of Xehanort, who's soul was dominant in TerraNort's body at the time of being split.

 

No Terra's mind was was placed inside the Lingering Will this was confirmed in interview.

 

What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

 

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

 

 

The "Soul" the lifeforce of all living beings, it is directly tied to the body allowing it to live this is also confirmed in interviews.

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

Master Xehanort abandoned his body and soul when he transfered his heart into Terra's body.

 

It would grow neither's heart, not in a strict replication. It would grow it's own, and assume its own sense of self. This is what happened to Roxas and Xion.

 

First of all Xemnas never stated that the new heart would gain it's own sense of self in fact he said the exact opposite. The whole point of the apprentices experiments were to get control of the mind and convince it to renounce it's sense of self.

By casting the heart(which forms the identity of the person) from the body they are left with an empty husk in which they could implant Xehanort's mind and will thus making Xehanort clones. But Xemnas also knew that once the implantation was done he'd have to prevent them from regrowing their own hearts and identies which would have resisted the Nort peice in the same way Terra did. Xemnas knew that once the body had the chance to replace the heart it lost the Nort heart's would be less effective, this is why he lied to them about them not having hearts, and about Kingdom Hearts. He needed time for the implantations to fully grow in order for the vessel to be a success.

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAgbSmu7558&feature=relmfu

With all this being said you cannot deny that Terra still has ties to Xemnas whether he had a heart or didn't have a heart by Nomura's own defintions it's literally impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roxas and Xion were special cases and are exceptions to alot of the rules in Kingdom Heart.

The conditions of Roxas's birth are special Sora was only a heartless for a short while thanks to Kairi's prurification. Because he retained his memories Roxas was born with no knowledge of his previous life. Being a clean slate he had to fill in the gap with the memories he built throughout his existence, and seeing how memories are a key component to build a heart and forming an identity the heart that he grew would have a seperate sense of self apart from Sora. However as Roxas and Sora make up one existence the two still are effected and linked to each other due to their relationship as heartless and nobody.

 

Ex: Roxas at the peak of his existence can be assumed to have formed his own heart yet he was still affected by Sora in his fight with Riku.

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIQ3hT_Kcus

The same thing applies to Xemnas and Ansem who both retained the memories of both Terra and Master Xehanort their original selves.

 

Roxas didnt have Soras memories bc of everything that happened.So when he came into existence he was a blank slate .Xion is a replica and never had another prior existing heart to regrow. So that doesnt even count as the same .Now look at Axel who was regrowing a heart , what did you get ? A similiar heart to what he originnally had . Regardless , Xemnas is part Terra physically and that cant be taken away .And things of Terra would still be there .Just like when Roxas spewed 'look at which one of us is winning ' at Riku when Riku tricked him by saying to him "come on , i thought you could do better than that 'or something along those lines.Roxas spit out what SORA said to Riku in the past. Xemnas still had connections to his heart ( ansem) the same way .He was always aware of his existence ..As for lingering will that is his MIND not his soul..A nobody is someones leftover body and SOUL....Technically MX abandoned his body and soul.. To say theres no terra in Xemnas just isnt true .We just dont know what the new heart of Xemnas would consist of exactly and you cant say for certain terras heart not still in it .

 

This exactly Edited September 26, 2012 by devereauxr