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Israel and Palestine preparing for war

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is this really a joke to you?

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this happens all the time. Maybe if they didn't keep making illegal settlements and performing genocide, palestinians wouldn't be shooting rockets

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I should be ashamed that I found that so funny. Except I'm not.

bring on the nukes! kill those bastards

I'm ashamed now for my generation. PEACE YOU ASSHOLES. I HATE BOTH OF YOU.

Tch, I just love US at the end. The only part that I found "slightly" funny.

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is this really a joke to you?

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this happens all the time. Maybe if they didn't keep making illegal settlements and performing genocide, palestinians wouldn't be shooting rockets

 

The settlements are not illegal, they are made on land claimed by Israel and nobody else (officially). And where the hell is there genocide? Get your head out of your butt and think for a minute.

 

Seriously, find me one example that matches the UN definition of genocide which is the deliberate and systematic destruction in whole, or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". One example of Israeli committed genocide and I delete the thread, you have 48 hours.

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The settlements are not illegal, they are made on land claimed by Israel and nobody else (officially). And where the hell is there genocide? Get your head out of your butt and think for a minute.

 

Seriously, find me one example that matches the UN definition of genocide which is the deliberate and systematic destruction in whole, or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". One example of Israeli committed genocide and I delete the thread, you have 48 hours.

 

Amon shuts down user then throws out gaunlet mockingly like a boss.

The settlements are not illegal, they are made on land claimed by Israel and nobody else (officially). And where the hell is there genocide? Get your head out of your butt and think for a minute.

 

Seriously, find me one example that matches the UN definition of genocide which is the deliberate and systematic destruction in whole, or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". One example of Israeli committed genocide and I delete the thread, you have 48 hours.

 

Claimed by israel. I'm sure we all know how that claim was made

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And fine,I admit, perhaps the genocide part was exaggerated, but this is mainly what i'm talking about http://www.google.com.pk/search?num=10&hl=en&sout=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&q=palestine+war&revid=1161573705&sa=X&ei=a4KoUNeEN5CUiQe3zoDYDg&ved=0CGUQgxY&biw=1280&bih=699

 

This is not something to make fun of.

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Claimed by israel. I'm sure we all know how that claim was made

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And fine,I admit, perhaps the genocide part was exaggerated, but this is mainly what i'm talking about http://www.google.co...iw=1280&bih=699

 

This is not something to make fun of.

 

You tend to loose a lot of land when you start wars that you can never win. They don't seem to get the idea that screwing with Israel is not a very good plan. These people try to look like the victims while intentionally targeting civilian centers (and claiming that they can't control where the missiles land) and hiding/placing their military equipment in extremely close proximity to their own civilians to make it difficult to allow Israel to strike back.

 

That's why civilian death tolls are so high. These cowards use innocent people as meat-shields and then try to get the international community to condemn Israel every time one of these folks dies. Meanwhile, Israel has been trying to keep their own military equipment outside of civilian centers specifically so their own people don't get hurt. Even with no military targets these areas are still getting hit by missiles, who is genocidal now?

 

Israel is the holy land of three major religions and the religions that derive from them. The diverse people within Israel have been peacefully coexisting for decades now. The problem rests in the greed of other nations trying to annihilate the country.

 

And I'm not making fun of it. It's called satire, look it up.

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hiding/placing their military equipment in extremely close proximity to their own civilians to make it difficult to allow Israel to strike back.

 

And just how can you be sure of that?

1.7million Palestinians are crammed into just 140 square miles; Gaza is one of the most crowded places on earth.

More importantly how can you put the entire blame on hamas? Even if they do place they're weaponry that close to civilians, isn't israel partially responsible for civilian casualties too? I mean more than 100 airstrikes with no let up despite 20-30 civilian casualties, because of a rocket seems a bit questionable, doesn't it?

 

Plus israel surrounds Gaza from almost every direction, possesses some really advanced tech along with a skilled military and Gaza isn't a very big place. Are that many airstrikes really necessary? Snipers and MOSSAD agents couldn't do anything?

 

Israel has been trying to keep their own military equipment outside of civilian centers specifically so their own people don't get hurt. Even with no military targets these areas are still getting hit by missiles, who is genocidal now?

 

I doubt 28 deaths from 2001-2009 can be considered genocidal specially when you compare it to 39+ deaths in 4 days.

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And just how can you be sure of that?

1.7million Palestinians are crammed into just 140 square miles; Gaza is one of the most crowded places on earth.

More importantly how can you put the entire blame on hamas? Even if they do place they're weaponry that close to civilians, isn't israel partially responsible for civilian casualties too? I mean more than 100 airstrikes with no let up despite 20-30 civilian casualties, because of a rocket seems a bit questionable, doesn't it?

 

Plus israel surrounds Gaza from almost every direction, possesses some really advanced tech along with a skilled military and Gaza isn't a very big place. Are that many airstrikes really necessary? Snipers and MOSSAD agents couldn't do anything?

 

 

I doubt 28 deaths from 2001-2009 can be considered genocidal specially when you compare it to 39+ deaths in 4 days.

 

The civilians in Gaza that are killed are killed because like I said before, the people fighting Israel from there are cowards who would rather have the civilians get hit than their own equipment. The IAF has very skilled pilots that have hit targets only meters away from civilians without causing any collateral damage. They are trying not to harm innocents, but it becomes difficult when munitions are being stored in ordinary homes.

 

And yes the airstrikes are necessary. It's called Blitzkrieg, it's been the best military strategy for the past 70 years, look it up. Basically you just soften up the enemy with bombs and artillery and then the ground forces come in to either mop up or exploit holes in defenses. And do you honestly think a few snipers and secret agents can take down an entire terrorist organization single handed? This isn't a video game buddy.

I'm not surprised about this information.. I honestly can't understand how these people just want to cause more and more wars.

And yes, BlitzKrieg is one of the most basic and effective tactics so I don't see point that they wouldn't use it.

The civilians in Gaza that are killed are killed because like I said before, the people fighting Israel from there are cowards who would rather have the civilians get hit than their own equipment.

 

And like i asked before, how can you be sure of that?

What if they're not using civilians as shields? What if they're simply trying to fight back?

I'm not saying that Hamas are the good guys, but i certainly don't believe that the Israeli Government or Military officers are any better.

 

The IAF has very skilled pilots that have hit targets only meters away from civilians without causing any collateral damage.

 

Seems a tad difficult to believe.

And as tactical as Blitzkrieg may be, people are still killed in it in large numbers. That fact can not be changed.

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And like i asked before, how can you be sure of that?

What if they're not using civilians as shields? What if they're simply trying to fight back?

I'm not saying that Hamas are the good guys, but i certainly don't believe that the Israeli Government or Military officers are any better.

 

Seems a tad difficult to believe.

And as tactical as Blitzkrieg may be, people are still killed in it in large numbers. That fact can not be changed.

 

But they are using civilians as shields. Israeli patrols are always ambushed in civilian neighborhoods, and reconnaissance reports that most missile and munitions facilities are only meters away from hospitals, schools, and other non-military areas. And Hamas isn't trying to fight back, they launched the initial volley of missile strikes in the first place. Don't confuse who is on the defense here.

 

Most civilian casualties are caused by guided missiles, Israel has the best pilots in the middle east and it's been that way for decades. The Civilian Casualties are inexcusable but inevitable. With Israel it's an accident, collateral damage that no matter how hard you try to avoid occurs anyway. With Hamas they are targeting civilians because the military targets are too hard to hit.

locking due to

a.; was going to move to random since half of it isn't actually a discussion thread and is rather spammy

b.; decided this was really just fuel for members to fight with each other

 

so locking. It you want to discuss this situation going on with Israel and the Gaza Strip, I'd have to ask that the thread remained as neutral on the subject as possible so as to avoid fighting. As the conflict is rather new and is an ongoing event, I'd personally hold off on making any discussion about it until I could be sure it wouldn't just result in a flame war/offended members on both sides.

 

If you have any questions, PM me.

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