the only reason i can think of is becouse of ven's heart. but that means when ven awakes he wil have to give the keyblade back, so thats out of the question. so how and why the Kingdom Key?

Besides Ven's heart, he has a strong heart.

Besides Ven's heart, he has a strong heart.

 

but that doesent mean he can just weild one. he has to touch a keyblade in order to get one right?

Benji we already answered this for you before ? Sora wields his own keyblade and DUAL WIELDS because of Vens heart ....

 

but that doesent mean he can just weild one. he has to touch a keyblade in order to get one right?

 

Nomura confirmed Sora is the only wielder to wield without the ceremony .

 

Nomura confirmed Sora is the only wielder to wield without the ceremony .

 

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OHHHHHH I HAD NO IDEA NOMURA CONFIRMED IT!!!! And lea, i didnt ask about the duel wealding, i already knew that.

Thx for the great answer.

 

P.S. Sry i ask so many questions.

Yen sid transferred his powers to sora in kh1. He sensed that he had a strong heart.

Yen sid transferred his powers to sora in kh1. He sensed that he had a strong heart.

 

but you don't see yen sid untill AFTER he gets his keyblade. I dont even remember seeing him in KH1.

 

all though that is a good answer and probably is true but in what game do you find that out?

Edited October 13, 201213 yr by benj0818

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OHHHHHH I HAD NO IDEA NOMURA CONFIRMED IT!!!! And lea, i didnt ask about the duel wealding, i already knew that.

Thx for the great answer.

 

P.S. Sry i ask so many questions.

 

If you knew about the dual wielding you would also know that Sora would still wield after Vens heart is returned. Just sayin'

It's a combination of Disney magic, protagonist powers, and Sora being Jesus.

 

There are more ways than just the ceremony to gain a Keyblade. Sora held on to the thing for what must have been weeks before it switcher to him permanently. If after all that time and after everything Sora did he still wasn't worthy of being a wielder then damn. Talk about finicky.

but you don't see yen sid untill AFTER he gets his keyblade. I dont even remember seeing him in KH1.

 

all though that is a good answer and probably is true but in what game do you find that out?

 

Xaon is joking OMG

Please. Getting keyblades the legit way is for the weak hearted. Even though Riku became a master first

 

I mean, you pretty much see it for sure in KH1; the keyblade that was supposed to be Riku's chose Sora because of his strength of heart. That Kingdom Key, which was once destined to Riku, is now Sora's own keyblade; its a brand new one of his own that doesn't belong to anyone else. Only Sora's second keyblade doesn't belong to him. And I don't think you can lose the ability to wield a keyblade unless you give it up or give your heart over to darkness, as was the case with Riku and Xehanort.

If you knew about the dual wielding you would also know that Sora would still wield after Vens heart is returned. Just sayin'

 

all i knew about the duel wielding is that when sora is using it he uses vens heart.

but that doesent mean he can just weild one. he has to touch a keyblade in order to get one right?

 

He has a strong heart and that's why he's able to wield one. Touching a keyblade, I'm assuming you're talking about the inheritance ceremony, that's not a requirement but I guess you could think of it as giving one a higher chance of acquiring a keyblade, but it doesn't have to happen to wield one.

He has a strong heart and that's why he's able to wield one. Touching a keyblade, I'm assuming you're talking about the inheritance ceremony, that's not a requirement but I guess you could think of it as giving one a higher chance of acquiring a keyblade, but it doesn't have to happen to wield one.

 

Really? So anyone with a strong heart can get a keyblade?

Really? So anyone with a strong heart can get a keyblade?

 

Thats generally how it goes. Well I mean, strength of heart probably plays a big factor, but I'm sure its not the only thing.

I would assume that Ven gave him the original Keybalde wielding ability, but since he had the strength to wield it he has the ability to do so.

 

It can't be entirely contingent on the ceremony though, otherwise we couldn't have a first wielder.

Why the Kingdom Key though?

Why the Kingdom Key though?

 

Why not?

Why the Kingdom Key though?

 

Because it symbolizes Sora's roll as "the key that connects everything" hence, why it's appearance is more key-like than any other Keyblade we've seen. (Besides the Kingdom Key D, of course it being a palate swap and all) I mean I know Fenrir is supposed to be a pin-tumbler lock key (the modern keys we use today as opposed to the skeleton key that most Keybades are based on) but it just looks like a broken chainsaw to me.

Not actually confirmed but it just makes good sense.

Why the Kingdom Key though?

 

The Kingdom Key is the keyblade that's given to the guardian of the Realm of Light. As you know, it looks like this:

 

 

It originally chose Riku to guard the realm of light, but Riku embraced the darkness, so it abandoned him and went to Sora.

 

There's also a keyblade for guarding the Realm of Darkness, called the Kingdom Key D

 

 

It's wielded by King Mickey, and he protects the Realm of Darkness, just like he did at the end of Kingdom Hearts 1.

 

The Kingdom Key is a keyblade that chooses its wielder, it's not one that requires a ceremony. The Kingdom Key of Light chose Sora as its wielder, that's one keyblade, then Ventus's heart allows him to hold a second keyblade.

The Keyblade moved to the next person with a strong heart which is Sora (KH1). However, in BbS Ven loses his heart and joins with Sora's. By doing so, Sora obtains the ability to weild Keyblade....he probably didn't know about it or have access to it until Riku went darkness crazy and the Keyblade realized he was to corrupted, therefore granting the power to Sora. In KH2, we are introduced to Roxas who is half of Sora, providing him Keyblade power as well. Then there's the whole Xion thing....her being half of Roxas as well as Sora which gave her a Keyblade leading her to merging with Sora's memories. I think Roxas could use 2 Keyblades because of Sora/Xion and Ven....which allowed Sora to wield 2 Keyblades as well....derp....that's a mess of confusion O____O....which I'm actually not entirely sure about. Basically Ven started it, Riku enforced the decision, and Roxas/Xion provided a 2nd weapon.

 

All you have to do is either merge with Sora or split from him and you have a Keyblade!

 

With the Kingdom Key, it actually resembles a skeleton key which can typically open any old lock on a door. Maybe it shows Sora's power to unlock/lock the light.

Please. Getting keyblades the legit way is for the weak hearted. Even though Riku became a master first

 

I mean, you pretty much see it for sure in KH1; the keyblade that was supposed to be Riku's chose Sora because of his strength of heart. That Kingdom Key, which was once destined to Riku, is now Sora's own keyblade; its a brand new one of his own that doesn't belong to anyone else. Only Sora's second keyblade doesn't belong to him. And I don't think you can lose the ability to wield a keyblade unless you give it up or give your heart over to darkness, as was the case with Riku and Xehanort.

 

But Xehanort wielded a Keyblade even after giving in to darkness...as evidenced when he fought with Eraques. So makes me wonder why Riku couldn't as well.

But Xehanort wielded a Keyblade even after giving in to darkness...as evidenced when he fought with Eraques. So makes me wonder why Riku couldn't as well.

 

Well, it has to do with the extent that you give yourself to darkness. Riku actually could wield the keyblade temporarily. I think its more because Sora's keyblade was a keyblade from the realm of light, and so naturally avoided Riku's heart full of darkness originally. Xehanort's keyblade is probably from the realm of darkness, not to mention that he's a keyblade master and has had his keyblade for a long time. He has control over his darkness, something Riku sort of lacks in the first game. Riku still uses darkness, but hasn't given in to the darkness, allowing him to still have a keyblade presently; this is sort of the case with Xehanort too. But note that its implied that once he became a heartless (ie gave in fully to darkness), neither of his halves Ansem or Xemnas were eligible to wield the keyblade.

The Keyblade was meant to go to Riku, but it sensed a darkness in him and went for the nearest light (strongest heart) which so happened to be Sora (hence why Riku could take the blade of him later on in KH1). I suppose he proved he was worthy of the keyblade and protecting people that he officially became able to wield it (without people being able to just take it off him, e.g. Jack Sparrow KH2) so he's able to use it without having to have had an actual keyblade ceremony. If every wielder needed a keyblade ceremony how would the first ever keyblade wielder have got it in the first place.

It left Riku went he embraced darkness so it had to find someone to guard the light

I'll see if I can answer/correct a few questions/statements made here, or perhaps even shed some light on a couple of areas to compare notes:

 

He has a strong heart and that's why he's able to wield one. Touching a keyblade, I'm assuming you're talking about the inheritance ceremony, that's not a requirement but I guess you could think of it as giving one a higher chance of acquiring a keyblade, but it doesn't have to happen to wield one.

 

It's called 'bequeathing' and yes it is like choosing a next of kin for the keyblade, as Terra does with Riku in BBS (LIKELY the reason he can/could wield one first. I will elaborate on this in my response to further quotes....

 

I would assume that Ven gave him the original Keybalde wielding ability, but since he had the strength to wield it he has the ability to do so.

 

It can't be entirely contingent on the ceremony though, otherwise we couldn't have a first wielder.

 

The original wielder(s) were the makers of the clone X blade before the great 'keyblade war' - what we know as keyblades. It/they were made.... if that answers your question of which came first, bequeather or the bequeathed.

 

As for Ven giving Sora the power initially, read on....,

 

The Keyblade moved to the next person with a strong heart which is Sora (KH1). However, in BbS Ven loses his heart and joins with Sora's. By doing so, Sora obtains the ability to weild Keyblade....he probably didn't know about it or have access to it until Riku went darkness crazy and the Keyblade realized he was to corrupted, therefore granting the power to Sora. In KH2, we are introduced to Roxas who is half of Sora, providing him Keyblade power as well. Then there's the whole Xion thing....her being half of Roxas as well as Sora which gave her a Keyblade leading her to merging with Sora's memories. I think Roxas could use 2 Keyblades because of Sora/Xion and Ven....which allowed Sora to wield 2 Keyblades as well....derp....that's a mess of confusion O____O....which I'm actually not entirely sure about. Basically Ven started it, Riku enforced the decision, and Roxas/Xion provided a 2nd weapon.

 

All you have to do is either merge with Sora or split from him and you have a Keyblade!

 

With the Kingdom Key, it actually resembles a skeleton key which can typically open any old lock on a door. Maybe it shows Sora's power to unlock/lock the light.

 

Sora was not chosen as the next best due to being 'the closet'. If you remember from BBS, Aqua recognises that Riku has been bequeathed as a future keyblade wielder by Terra when she meets young Sora and Riku on Destiny Islands. In response to this, She gives sora 'the power' to keep Riku safe and guide him on his path. As Riku allowed Darkness into his heart at pretty much the first opportunity, the key blade (of the realm of light) rejected his heart. Therefore, it was down to Sora, assigned with the duty of keeping Riku from the darkness, to take up the keyblade - so that Riku could become a guardian of the light. The blade Riku came to wield was the Soul Eater, a blade from the realm of darkness. However, it changed into a unique blade to him in COM when he chose to fight the darkness in his heart and walk the road to dawn..... the Way To Dawn blade (thus Sora didn't lose his blade). Riku temporarily gained control of Sora's blade through strength of heart and the knowledge that he was the chosen one, succeeding due to the remaining light in his heart before he succumbed completely and thus Ansem took over. This in turn allowed him to summon a keyblade of darkness

 

As for Roxas, there is a very high chance (with the knowledge from 3D) that, due to Sora harbouring both Ventus' and Kairi's heart as well as his own when he stabbed himself in Hollow Bastion (KHI), Roxas was actually born WITH a heart, as opposed to growing one/ not having one (the 7 days in zombie state may have been due to the hearts merging to create his own). Therefore, as his heart was made up of two keyblade wielders, he could not only summon a keyblade, but also dual wield. (hint in the first words of 358/2 opening cinematics: 'Roxas, are you really sure you don't have a heart'. Why not included and explained in the game? Because that would ruin the ruse of the Organisation and the point of the game pretty much...'

 

Xion was made from Aqua's armour that she left behind at the end of BBS by Xemnas, fuelled by memories from Roxas/Sora (lost in Castle Oblivion). Xemnas wanted Xion to sap Roxas of his power so that the organisation had it's own wielder permanently and Sora would never awaken from the state of slumber Namine placed him in to piece together his memories. However, from what we learned from Xehanort in 3D, he could equally have been lining Xion up to be another vessel ultimately.

 

But Xehanort wielded a Keyblade even after giving in to darkness...as evidenced when he fought with Eraques. So makes me wonder why Riku couldn't as well.

 

Xehanort filled his heart with darkness, akin to Riku. Xehanort continued to wield a keyblade, and Riku managed to summon a new blade (with ansem's help) fro the realm of darkness (seeing the trend here?) However, Xehanort lost/gave his heart to darkness (was that ever explained? nevermind....) and therefore lost his ability to wield a keyblade requires one (apparently regrowing a heart doesn't restore the power, otherwise Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody would both be wielders too....). Riku never lost his heart to darkness, but had his heart taken over by Ansem. As such, he never became a heartless, lost his heart, ect... therefore never lost the ability to wield.

 

Riku couldn't wield the Kingdom Key as it was from the realm of light, and due to the darkness in his heart, it chose Sora to protect it's true chosen wielder (linking back to Aqua's 'mini ceremony thing'). He temporarily managed to wield it due to the remaining light in his heart before Ansem took over and the knowledge that he was supposed to be the chosen one. However, Sora's strength of heart (and link to Ven, perhaps) trumped Riku's and returned the Kingdom Key to him. I believe that when Riku was possessed by Ansem and summoned a new keyblade was the moment that Sora gained full owner ship of the Kingdom Key and a true wielder (when Riku's heart became full with darkness). Riku has always been able to wield a keyblade, but due to the transition from light to darkness he went through in KH1, he could not summon in the way Sora could until he was overcome with Darkness.

 

 

*BREATHE* I hope that was more helpful than evidence of an obsession! haha

Edited November 18, 201212 yr by Ajexmi