the only reason i can think of is becouse of ven's heart. but that means when ven awakes he wil have to give the keyblade back, so thats out of the question. so how and why the Kingdom Key?

You were doing good until the last two quotes lol.

 

Sora was not chosen as the next best due to being 'the closet'. If you remember from BBS, Aqua recognises that Riku has been bequeathed as a future keyblade wielder by Terra when she meets young Sora and Riku on Destiny Islands. In response to this, She gives sora 'the power' to keep Riku safe and guide him on his path. As Riku allowed Darkness into his heart at pretty much the first opportunity, the key blade (of the realm of light) rejected his heart. Therefore, it was down to Sora, assigned with the duty of keeping Riku from the darkness, to take up the keyblade - so that Riku could become a guardian of the light. The blade Riku came to wield was the Soul Eater, a blade from the realm of darkness. However, it changed into a unique blade to him in COM when he chose to fight the darkness in his heart and walk the road to dawn..... the Way To Dawn blade (thus Sora didn't lose his blade). Riku temporarily gained control of Sora's blade through strength of heart and the knowledge that he was the chosen one, succeeding due to the remaining light in his heart before he succumbed completely and thus Ansem took over. This in turn allowed him to summon a keyblade of darkness

That was more or less much the reason the Kingdom Key chose Sora, Sora had accidentally "stolen" the Keyblade from Riku but it couldn't get back to Riku so it stuck with Sora for a while. No "power" from Aqua necessary, She only said what she said because she was afraid the past would repeat itself, especially since little Riku and Sora reminded her so much of Ven and Terra, so she was planning to "bequeath" (as you like to say) the ability onto Sora but decided against it afraid that would make things worse. Keyblades them selves don't actually care about what side you affiliate so long you have the minimum requirements like having a strong heart (See: Mickey and the Kingdom Key D). It completely rejected him later because he let his he let his heart get too weak from misusing the darkness. I feel I should stretch that a Keyblade won't reject or chose you based on your light/dark affiliation, but darkness is more damaging to the heart and improper use will weaken it.

 

Soul Eater's a magic sword that Maleficent gave Riku to use. It's suspected that it later transformed into The Way to the Dawn, a Realm of Light Keyblade.

 

As for Roxas, there is a very high chance (with the knowledge from 3D) that, due to Sora harbouring both Ventus' and Kairi's heart as well as his own when he stabbed himself in Hollow Bastion (KHI), Roxas was actually born WITH a heart, as opposed to growing one/ not having one (the 7 days in zombie state may have been due to the hearts merging to create his own). Therefore, as his heart was made up of two keyblade wielders, he could not only summon a keyblade, but also dual wield. (hint in the first words of 358/2 opening cinematics: 'Roxas, are you really sure you don't have a heart'. Why not included and explained in the game? Because that would ruin the ruse of the Organisation and the point of the game pretty much...'

Roxas was born with a heart, Ven's heart. When Sora stabbed himself Ven's sleeping and injured heart stayed in Sora's body and was held by Roxas, hence, Roxas looking just like Ven. Roxas can wield Sora's Keyblade because he's his Nobody and eventually Ven's when he awakens it after an emotional outburst, via, Xion's "death". Roxas does eventually gain his own heart throughout but it's implied that it's not a full grown one.

 

Xion was made from Aqua's armour that she left behind at the end of BBS by Xemnas, fuelled by memories from Roxas/Sora (lost in Castle Oblivion). Xemnas wanted Xion to sap Roxas of his power so that the organisation had it's own wielder permanently and Sora would never awaken from the state of slumber Namine placed him in to piece together his memories. However, from what we learned from Xehanort in 3D, he could equally have been lining Xion up to be another vessel ultimately.

No armor needed, she was the physical manifestation of Sora's memories and probably a few others indirectly. Xion was to replace Sora entirely in the case he failed but Roxas was a happy accident. Xion and Roxas weren't meant to exist simultaneously so they started "fighting" over their existence. Xemnas didn't care who one as long as he got a wielder in the end.

 

Xehanort filled his heart with darkness, akin to Riku. Xehanort continued to wield a keyblade, and Riku managed to summon a new blade (with ansem's help) fro the realm of darkness (seeing the trend here?) However, Xehanort lost/gave his heart to darkness (was that ever explained? nevermind....) and therefore lost his ability to wield a keyblade requires one (apparently regrowing a heart doesn't restore the power, otherwise Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody would both be wielders too....). Riku never lost his heart to darkness, but had his heart taken over by Ansem. As such, he never became a heartless, lost his heart, ect... therefore never lost the ability to wield.

See first paragraph.

 

It's not made clear where MX got his Keyblade but I recon it's a RoL one too. Xehanort nor his counterparts ever lost the ability to wield, Xehanort pretended he didn't, Xemnas didn't as to not blow his cover, and Ansem is sort of left in the air but he can probably wield too.

 

Riku couldn't wield the Kingdom Key as it was from the realm of light, and due to the darkness in his heart, it chose Sora to protect it's true chosen wielder (linking back to Aqua's 'mini ceremony thing'). He temporarily managed to wield it due to the remaining light in his heart before Ansem took over and the knowledge that he was supposed to be the chosen one. However, Sora's strength of heart (and link to Ven, perhaps) trumped Riku's and returned the Kingdom Key to him. I believe that when Riku was possessed by Ansem and summoned a new keyblade was the moment that Sora gained full owner ship of the Kingdom Key and a true wielder (when Riku's heart became full with darkness). Riku has always been able to wield a keyblade, but due to the transition from light to darkness he went through in KH1, he could not summon in the way Sora could until he was overcome with Darkness.

 

 

*BREATHE* I hope that was more helpful than evidence of an obsession! haha

 

See first paragraph.

 

Though I take Ansem possessed Riku as a hint that Ansem can in fact wield but it's still left a little sketchy.

You were doing good until the last two quotes lol.

 

 

 

That was more or less much the reason the Kingdom Key chose Sora, Sora had accidentally "stolen" the Keyblade from Riku but it couldn't get back to Riku so it stuck with Sora for a while. No "power" from Aqua necessary, She only said what she said because she was afraid the past would repeat itself, especially since little Riku and Sora reminded her so much of Ven and Terra, so she was planning to "bequeath" (as you like to say) the ability onto Sora but decided against it afraid that would make things worse. Keyblades them selves don't actually care about what side you affiliate so long you have the minimum requirements like having a strong heart (See: Mickey and the Kingdom Key D). It completely rejected him later because he let his he let his heart get too weak from misusing the darkness. I feel I should stretch that a Keyblade won't reject or chose you based on your light/dark affiliation, but darkness is more damaging to the heart and improper use will weaken it.

 

Soul Eater's a magic sword that Maleficent gave Riku to use. It's suspected that it later transformed into The Way to the Dawn, a Realm of Light Keyblade.

 

 

 

Roxas was born with a heart, Ven's heart. When Sora stabbed himself Ven's sleeping and injured heart stayed in Sora's body and was held by Roxas, hence, Roxas looking just like Ven. Roxas can wield Sora's Keyblade because he's his Nobody and eventually Ven's when he awakens it after an emotional outburst, via, Xion's "death". Roxas does eventually gain his own heart throughout but it's implied that it's not a full grown one.

 

 

 

No armor needed, she was the physical manifestation of Sora's memories and probably a few others indirectly. Xion was to replace Sora entirely in the case he failed but Roxas was a happy accident. Xion and Roxas weren't meant to exist simultaneously so they started "fighting" over their existence. Xemnas didn't care who one as long as he got a wielder in the end.

 

 

 

See first paragraph.

 

It's not made clear where MX got his Keyblade but I recon it's a RoL one too. Xehanort nor his counterparts ever lost the ability to wield, Xehanort pretended he didn't, Xemnas didn't as to not blow his cover, and Ansem is sort of left in the air but he can probably wield too.

 

 

 

See first paragraph.

 

Though I take Ansem possessed Riku as a hint that Ansem can in fact wield but it's still left a little sketchy.

 

Thanks for the detailed analysis! Just so you know, I am not gonna touch the whole Roxas heart topic thing cuz I've stressed that so much on different threads and it's mostly speculation.

 

Bequeathed is the word used when summing up the event of BBS in 3D. It is a word, and the right one not just me being wierd

 

1) Malificent 'gave' Riku the Soul Eater 'Keyblade'? she just.... happened to have a spare keyblade from the realm of darkness lying around? I think Riku summoned it based on his new affiliation to Darkness and guidance from Ansem.

 

2) Affiliation affecting the keyblade's choice in master, at this stage, is neither confirmed nor denied so I won't argue further on opinion

 

3)Xion was made from Aqua's armour, it's in a secret scene/ending/something or other. I was trying to remember where the scene was from the other day but came up blank... it was of Xemnas unloking a secret passage under Ansem the Wise's study and coming to a round grey room with a chair in the middle (similar to the one Ventus is holed up in in Castle Oblivion) and he sits and addresses Aqua's armour on the ground in front of him, saying 'it's been awhile, hasn't it?' referring to when he in his Terranort form clashed with Aqua in BBS. Remember he (likely with Vexen's help) made Xion, and it makes sense for the transformation in the final fights.

 

In addition, Xion entered the organisation BEFORE operation: Castle Oblivion when they could have gained memories from Sora in order to create her soley from memories. Those particular memories, however, are what gave her the physical appearance, power to wield a kayblade and slowly started the syphoning process from Roxas. Therefore, how could she be a manifestation of Sora's memories?

Edited November 19, 201212 yr by Ajexmi

 

3)Xion was made from Aqua's armour, it's in a secret scene/ending/something or other. I was trying to remember where the scene was from the other day but came up blank... it was of Xemnas unloking a secret passage under Ansem the Wise's study and coming to a round grey room with a chair in the middle (similar to the one Ventus is holed up in in Castle Oblivion) and he sits and addresses Aqua's armour on the ground in front of him, saying 'it's been awhile, hasn't it?' referring to when he in his Terranort form clashed with Aqua in BBS. Remember he (likely with Vexen's help) made Xion, and it makes sense for the transformation in the final fights.

 

 

Hold on. If Xion was made form Aqua's armor, then how did we see the whole thing in KHIIFM?

Hold on. If Xion was made form Aqua's armor, then how did we see the whole thing in KHIIFM?

 

I'm sorry, see what whole thing?

I'm sorry, see what whole thing?

 

The whole armor.

The whole armor.

 

I really have no idea what you're trying to get at here....

I really have no idea what you're trying to get at here....

 

There would be a piece of armor missing if that what Xion was made from, but that's not the case.

Thanks for the detailed analysis! Just so you know, I am not gonna touch the whole Roxas heart topic thing cuz I've stressed that so much on different threads and it's mostly speculation.

 

Bequeathed is the word used when summing up the event of BBS in 3D. It is a word, and the right one not just me being wierd

 

1) Malificent 'gave' Riku the Soul Eater 'Keyblade'? she just.... happened to have a spare keyblade from the realm of darkness lying around? I think Riku summoned it based on his new affiliation to Darkness and guidance from Ansem.

 

2) Affiliation affecting the keyblade's choice in master, at this stage, is neither confirmed nor denied so I won't argue further on opinion

 

3)Xion was made from Aqua's armour, it's in a secret scene/ending/something or other. I was trying to remember where the scene was from the other day but came up blank... it was of Xemnas unloking a secret passage under Ansem the Wise's study and coming to a round grey room with a chair in the middle (similar to the one Ventus is holed up in in Castle Oblivion) and he sits and addresses Aqua's armour on the ground in front of him, saying 'it's been awhile, hasn't it?' referring to when he in his Terranort form clashed with Aqua in BBS. Remember he (likely with Vexen's help) made Xion, and it makes sense for the transformation in the final fights.

 

In addition, Xion entered the organisation BEFORE operation: Castle Oblivion when they could have gained memories from Sora in order to create her soley from memories. Those particular memories, however, are what gave her the physical appearance, power to wield a kayblade and slowly started the syphoning process from Roxas. Therefore, how could she be a manifestation of Sora's memories?

 

There's not much to speculate regarding Roxas's heart really. It's mostly debating how far along it is.

 

1) Magic sword love, magic sword. Soul Eater isn't a Keyblade.

 

2) I believe it was confirmed by the director. Either way it has been shown that Keyblade's don't care, especially since Keyblades from the RoD are really rare and if Mickey is anything to go by, if you happen to have one from there you have to go fetch it yourself.

 

3) You mean the extra cutscenes from KHFM+? It hasn't been made clear why Xemnas (though I think it's hinted that it has something to do with memories) visited the Chamber of Repose but it's never been hinted at once that Xion was made from Aqua's armor. That scene was there to stir up controversy among fans in anticipation for BbS because Xemnas called the armor "friend" and the armor was recognizable from KH2's and later, KH2FM+'s secret ending. .

 

In KH1FM there's a boss battle with Xemnas where he "sampled" Sora's memories and he used that to construct Xion.

There would be a piece of armor missing if that what Xion was made from, but that's not the case.

 

 

maybe this is what you're on about? it's the same footage I saw. This was a short time after the end of BBS When Xemnas started the organisation. He had hidden away Aqua's armour and keyblade (Aqua must have eraqus' blade in the realm of darkness) and made Xion. Xion's final effort tranfoms her into armour and it's all just coincidence? I don't think so.....

 

There's not much to speculate regarding Roxas's heart really. It's mostly debating how far along it is.

 

1) Magic sword love, magic sword. Soul Eater isn't a Keyblade.

 

2) I believe it was confirmed by the director. Either way it has been shown that Keyblade's don't care, especially since Keyblades from the RoD are really rare and if Mickey is anything to go by, if you happen to have one from there you have to go fetch it yourself.

 

3) You mean the extra cutscenes from KHFM+? It hasn't been made clear why Xemnas (though I think it's hinted that it has something to do with memories) visited the Chamber of Repose but it's never been hinted at once that Xion was made from Aqua's armor. That scene was there to stir up controversy among fans in anticipation for BbS because Xemnas called the armor "friend" and the armor was recognizable from KH2's and later, KH2FM+'s secret ending. .

 

In KH1FM there's a boss battle with Xemnas where he "sampled" Sora's memories and he used that to construct Xion.

 

Whilst I still disagree with your views on Roxas' heart.... well played. That's check mate and I gotta admit that all makes sense! It has far less holes than my theory that's for sure. I can't remember where I got the info on the connection between Xion and Aqua's armour..... hmm....

I would like to think that Sora automatically/unconciously had a Keyblade Ceremony by possessing Ven's heart and that is why he can wield a Keyblade, but Sora also has the qualities to become a fit wielder alone.

maybe this is what you're on about? it's the same footage I saw. This was a short time after the end of BBS When Xemnas started the organisation. He had hidden away Aqua's armour and keyblade (Aqua must have eraqus' blade in the realm of darkness) and made Xion. Xion's final effort tranfoms her into armour and it's all just coincidence? I don't think so.....Whilst I still disagree with your views on Roxas' heart.... well played. That's check mate and I gotta admit that all makes sense! It has far less holes than my theory that's for sure. I can't remember where I got the info on the connection between Xion and Aqua's armour..... hmm....

Xion armor was based on Sora's memories those machines Roxas placed towards the end of Days were designed to absorb Sora's memories and implant them into Xion enhancing her power.

I would like to think that Sora automatically/unconciously had a Keyblade Ceremony by possessing Ven's heart and that is why he can wield a Keyblade, but Sora also has the qualities to become a fit wielder alone.

Nomura confirmed that Sora is the only wielder to aquire the keyblade without going through the Inheritance Ceremony. He also confirmed that Sora was born with the ability,and was destined to weild one. The presense of Ven's heart merely sped up the process of getting one.

I read all this stuff saying that he can use it because of his strong heart so let me see if I can get it straight.

In KH1 Sora was given the keyblade on DI because riku fell to darkness and the one that was promised to him by Terra went to Sora. And in Hollow Bastion Sora was like riku said just the delivery boy, but was Sora able to reclaim it because by showing the determination and strength of his heart along with the power of his friends influences on him his heart became stronger than Riku and the keyblade finalized the deal and selected him a its true master. ???

Another thing is that in KH3D when braig/Xigbar says that sora is able to use the keyblade because of the Ties he has with other people and sora then says I know the Keyblade didn't choose me?? This has me all confused and in my mind contradicts what Nomura said that sora is able to use it because he has a strong heart.. Can someone please help me answer these 2 questions

Basically, do to the ties he has with his various friends and the power of his heart, he was chosen as the keyblades true wielder when Riku fell into darkness. 

 

He says the keyblade didn't choose him because he knows Riku had the keyblade first...I think

Sora has the Keyblade because Ven. Riku is not delivery boy, He has the keyblade wielder power, but he's heart not strong enought that time. The keyblade goes to Ven's heart, and this heart goes Sora. Technically Sora has Ven's keyblade wielder power. Or I dont know. ----Please Nomura write a books about this things!!!!! ----

Riku is more mature in the next episodes, and hi's heart get stronger, and he get he's keyblade.. 

As you said he can wield the keyblade because when Riku was consumed by darkness in KH1, it went to the nearest being of light with a strong heart, who happened to be Sora (his strength of heart and light could be increased highly by the presence of Ven in his heart possibly) 

 

I assume him saying that he knows the keyblade didn't choose him is only because, rightfully it wasn't passed on to him, Riku was technically the one chosen (by Terra) to wield it (though Aqua wanted to choose Sora).

 

Other than that, I'd say a continuity error, unless there's something I'm missing that was revealed in the FM or something.

Braig/Xigbar was trolling him - that was his job so they could get him to fall deeper and deeper into sleep and into darkness so he couldn't wake up and become a vessel . As for why Sora was chosen - Nomura said Sora was always destined to wield . When Riku fell to darkness the keyblade did actually end up choosing Sora ,

 

 

 

 

 

Sora has the Keyblade because Ven. Riku is not delivery boy, He has the keyblade wielder power, but he's heart not strong enought that time. The keyblade goes to Ven's heart, and this heart goes Sora. Technically Sora has Ven's keyblade wielder power. Or I dont know. ----Please Nomura write a books about this things!!!!! ----

Riku is more mature in the next episodes, and hi's heart get stronger, and he get he's keyblade.. 

 

Actually it's NOT because of Ven . Even Nomura said that . Ven only allows him to DUAL WIELD. 

Edited January 26, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

Braig/Xigbar was trolling him - that was his job so they could get him to fall deeper and deeper into sleep and into darkness so he couldn't wake up and become a vessel . As for why Sora was chosen - Nomura said Sora was always destined to wield . When Riku fell to darkness the keyblade did actually end up choosing Sora ]

 

Yeah but when did the keyblade choose sora as its final master was it in Hollow Bastion or DI? And if it was in DI then why was riku able to take it back??

Edited January 26, 201312 yr by comicboots

 

I'm more confused now.

The keyblade is supouse to serve either good or evil, you just need a strong heart,or so  they said in the KH1, that means Riku has nothing to do with Sora's Keyblade, didn't it?

Braig/Xigbar was trolling him - that was his job so they could get him to fall deeper and deeper into sleep and into darkness so he couldn't wake up and become a vessel . As for why Sora was chosen - Nomura said Sora was always destined to wield . When Riku fell to darkness the keyblade did actually end up choosing Sora ,

 

 

 

 

 

Actually it's NOT because of Ven . Even Nomura said that . Ven only allows him to DUAL WIELD. 

Nomura says the things,  but I think actually he dont know completly the things....

 

I'm more confused now.

The keyblade is supouse to serve either good or evil, you just need a strong heart,or so  they said in the KH1, that means Riku has nothing to do with Sora's Keyblade, didn't it?

 

The darkness weakened Riku's heart though.

Japanese logic. Sora woke up one day and had an oversized key, and he eventually found out that it goes to the shed in his backyard.

Nomura says the things,  but I think actually he dont know completly the things....

 

 

Nomura's words= Canon fact

The darkness weakened Riku's heart though.

But I thought darkness was supposed to make you stronger, just look at Terra in the Master Xehanort fight.

Braig/Xigbar was trolling him - that was his job so they could get him to fall deeper and deeper into sleep and into darkness so he couldn't wake up and become a vessel . As for why Sora was chosen - Nomura said Sora was always destined to wield . When Riku fell to darkness the keyblade did actually end up choosing Sora ]

 

Yeah but when did the keyblade choose sora as its final master was it in Hollow Bastion or DI? And if it was in DI then why was riku able to take it back??

 

In DI he was the nearest heart with a strong light - the KK was attracted to the nearest worthy heart. It wasn't officially Sora's till much later.-Thats why Riku could take it back till it officially chose Sora.

Edited January 26, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

The darkness weakened Riku's heart though.

 

Yeah... that's why he has a keyblade at the end of KH 2, but why Sora has the Kingdomkey then? it is is  because of Ven or something else...