Remember back in KH1, when Sora, Riku and Mickey were the only Keyblade wielders? When the Keyblade chose you for the strength of your heart, instead of just being passed down from someone else?

 

In KH2, Roxas and Kairi got Keyblades. Okay, we'll Roxas is Sora's Nobody and Kairi has a pure heart, so I guess these make sense. Then Xion got a Keyblade. In BBS, things got out of control. Suddenly every single character seems to have a Keyblade (okay, I'm exaggerating, but still). And in DDD, Lea just comes begging for a Keyblade, and he gets one.

 

I really don't think that's how being a Keyblade wielder should work. I would much rather it if the Keyblade chose its wielders, the way it chose Sora. Keyblades are awesome, but I feel like having so many people with Keyblades just makes them much less special.

yes there's too many keyblade wielders in my opinion. In kh1 I thought the keyblade was like a legendary weapon and that only a chosen few with strong heart could wield it .In kh2 roxas get a keyblade it's understandable he's sora's nobody and frankly i always knew that kairi would get a keyblade. In BBS they really screwed it all up with three new keyblade wielder and the keyblade graveyard . it really wasn't special anymore and on top of that in DDD they make Lea a keyblade wielder... total fanservice. What really bothers me is that Lea just asked for a keyblade and Yen Sid performed the ceremony on him.That really makes the keyblade not special , or maybe it's just that i always thought that the keyblade was a legendary weapon ... silly old me.

Edited August 7, 201213 yr by baptiscool19

Yen Sid: "You two? That would be...inadequate."

I'm quoting this wherever possible lol

 

Haha He did say that didn't he? Poor Donald and goofy.

Unique=/=special. We're all unique, but that does that make us special?

 

But just because keyblades aren't unique doesn't mean they're not special or important. Keyblades do choose their owners, it's just that there are some details about it we hadn't known before. I figured that the Inheritance Ceremony thing sorta... marked a candidate for a keyblade to go to. Riku and Kairi intentionally/accidentally got the power during BBS, but they didn't actually get their keyblades until years later. Plus, when Riku's heart proved unworthy in KH1, the keyblade went to Sora instead; obviously, who can wield a keyblade is up to the keyblade's discretion, not necessarily the people who gave them the "mark."

 

Roxas and Xion were special cases, respectively Sora's Nobody and his imperfect replica. Roxas's connection to Sora let him wield a keyblade, and Xion copied his power, so she can wield one too. Their ability to wield a keyblade wasn't necessarily because they're worthy candidates. And Lea was pure fanservice, unless they reveal something else about the qualifications, but I don't mind too much... I guess.

 

Besides, judging by the keyblade graveyard, no, it doesn't seem like there's gonna be a gazillion keyblade wielders coming out of the shadows and solving everyone's problems. From their actions during the war and the info in DDD, I got the impression having that many keyblade wielders running around wasn't a good thing. It's up to the small handful of people to save the day, the ones who happened to have a special and important weapon.

Sure, you need a strong heart to wield a keyblade... but if everybody has a strong heart, what's so special?

 

I actually have an idea about this... When BBS happened, the ability to use a Keyblade came awful close to extinction. Eraqus was physically dead his heart trapped within Terra's. Terra himself was possessed, and Xehanort either forgot how to use the Keyblade, or abandoned it altogether. Aqua, the only intact Master, was trapped in the Realm of Darkness, thus unable to fulfil any duties related to the Keyblade. And Ventus was comatose. Mickey was in training, and the only other potential wielders were still kids. It could be that the Keyblade, in an attempt to keep its power alive, overcomensated the amount of wielders necessary so that it wouldn't run the risk of extinction again. (The Keyblade has, after all shown some evidence of self awareness in the past.)

 

What about Yen Sid? Beyond that, Xehanort explicitly mentions other keyblade wielders, saying they will 'flock [to the keyblade graveyard]'

The keyblade never neared extinction

 

I actually saw this coming from KHII, I had developed a theory that the members of the Organization XIII were keybladers and released there own hearts as an experiment. I was Wong, but once I saw the Keyblade Graveyard, I was actually excited about the idea of others other than Sora and Riku! I mean think about it, in this world it's the strongest weapon right, so if no one else has one, there is no challenge for Sora and Riku they will just defeat everyone that they come across!

Pluse isn't the concept of a Keyblade War exciting to you? I can't wait for the epicness that is to come in the Keyblade war!!

I knew at one point Kairi would join the ranks, Lea was a suprise but it makes sense why he wants one, and he does have a strong heart, his wasn't passed down, his strong heart created it. Xion could only use it cause Roxas could.

So anyway for me the concept of the X-blade splitting apart creating 7 lights and 13 Darknesses excites me!!! Can't wait to see our crew take them on!!!!

 

Sora and Riku will always defeat everything in their path. It's a videogame. But people haven't needed keyblades to stand up to them before. All of the Disney villains were a viable threat to them. All the various monsters could fight the keyblade. And it's pretty clear that a keyblade doesn't give you an advantage over another keyblade.

The keyblade war is an exciting concept, yes. But that's because it's a concept, and it's set in the past. Actually seeing this war happen wouldn't be exciting, but alluding to it can be. Having a game set during the keyblade war might not even be that bad. But having a new keyblade war opens up a tonne of problems.

 

i dont think so. At least there is more non-keyblade characters. And besides, once MX is defeated we have 13 keyblade wielders less.

 

What makes you say that?

 

Yeah, it probably was mostly fanservice. While part of me thinks it's awesome, part of me is kind of pissed off about it. He could have easily stuck with his chakrams and still been a great hero.

 

Yes. This is something that bothers me. He was a character who was already powerful, already a match for Sora or Riku. A keyblade just sort of homogenizes them. (Seriously, doesn't this make him more powerful than Sora or Riku?)

Yes and No

Yes, let's take Kairi. She doesn't need to have a keyblade. That right there made me feel that the keyblade is losing its importance. Tbh, they should have let her character die out until the PoH are back in the picture. Yeah, she accidentally touched Aqua's keyblade, but you would think that something so special wouldn't be passed down so easily. That makes me so pissed. Just because you weild a keyblade doesn't mean that you are capable of becoming a master ex. Terra and Sora. Being PoH doesn't give you an excuse to have the awesome powers of the keyblade.

No, because we have awesome weilders and knowledgable people that have one like Mickey, Sora, Riku, and Aqua.

Nomura should kill off some of the keyblade weilders in the end by half.

 

Kairi having a keyblade is not the worst thing they can do. In fact, if there weren't a doze keyblade wielders, it could have been quite striking; The only three known keyblade wielders, BFFs. As is, it does just seem excessive.

Would have preferred HER show up and save Sora as opposed to randomly giving Lea a keyblade though.

 

Unique=/=special. We're all unique, but that does that make us special?

 

But just because keyblades aren't unique doesn't mean they're not special or important. Keyblades do choose their owners, it's just that there are some details about it we hadn't known before. I figured that the Inheritance Ceremony thing sorta... marked a candidate for a keyblade to go to. Riku and Kairi intentionally/accidentally got the power during BBS, but they didn't actually get their keyblades until years later. Plus, when Riku's heart proved unworthy in KH1, the keyblade went to Sora instead; obviously, who can wield a keyblade is up to the keyblade's discretion, not necessarily the people who gave them the "mark."

 

Roxas and Xion were special cases, respectively Sora's Nobody and his imperfect replica. Roxas's connection to Sora let him wield a keyblade, and Xion copied his power, so she can wield one too. Their ability to wield a keyblade wasn't necessarily because they're worthy candidates. And Lea was pure fanservice, unless they reveal something else about the qualifications, but I don't mind too much... I guess.

 

Besides, judging by the keyblade graveyard, no, it doesn't seem like there's gonna be a gazillion keyblade wielders coming out of the shadows and solving everyone's problems. From their actions during the war and the info in DDD, I got the impression having that many keyblade wielders running around wasn't a good thing. It's up to the small handful of people to save the day, the ones who happened to have a special and important weapon.

 

When you have less of something, it increases in value. That's the principle behind things like autographs and such.

A similar idea applies here. In KH1, Sora was 'The Guy' HE had the keyblade, which made him unique. Only HE could unlock and lock stuff. Only HE had the magic keyblade powers. Then LE GASP Riku was the one who was really intended to have it! There are TWO whole keybladers! (But still only one keyblade)

See, because there is only one active keyblade, it's SPECIAL. It's because it's unique. But bring back every keyblade wielder from the previous games (And make some new ones along the way presumably) and you have to start asking yourself what's so special.

Let's give an example.

Nomura has said that Sora will be the hero to the end, right?

But... if everybody survives.... why is that? Why is someone going to say 'We need Sora' when there are a hundred other keyblade wielders to choose from. Most of which have powers in direct correlation TO Sora's. Or ones who are older, wiser, or arguably more powerful?

And suddenly travelling to other worlds isn't going to work so well either. In fact, how do they plan to keep the separate worlds secret? It's going to be pretty tricky to explain all of the random strangers with key shaped swords that keep showing up.

What I see, is the KH story walking right into a mess.

Edited August 7, 201213 yr by hatok

When you have less of something, it increases in value. That's the principle behind things like autographs and such.

A similar idea applies here. In KH1, Sora was 'The Guy' HE had the keyblade, which made him unique. Only HE could unlock and lock stuff. Only HE had the magic keyblade powers. Then LE GASP Riku was the one who was really intended to have it! There are TWO whole keybladers! (But still only one keyblade)

See, because there is only one active keyblade, it's SPECIAL. It's because it's unique. But bring back every keyblade wielder from the previous games (And make some new ones along the way presumably) and you have to start asking yourself what's so special.

Let's give an example.

Nomura has said that Sora will be the hero to the end, right?

But... if everybody survives.... why is that? Why is someone going to say 'We need Sora' when there are a hundred other keyblade wielders to choose from. Most of which have powers in direct correlation TO Sora's. Or ones who are older, wiser, or arguably more powerful?

And suddenly travelling to other worlds isn't going to work so well either. In fact, how do they plan to keep the separate worlds secret? It's going to be pretty tricky to explain all of the random strangers with key shaped swords that keep showing up.

What I see, is the KH story walking right into a mess.

 

Having less of something doesn't make it objectively more valuable. A human may not be special on the individual scale, but collectively, we're the most powerful and efficient creatures on the planet. Conversely, the panda is useless and is only around because we insist on saving them. That's pretty special to me; the human race can sustain itself while using precious time and effort to save creatures that are only worth it because they're cute. An autograph is unique, but so what? It's a signature on paper. It's only valuable because we say it is, but the keyblade actually is valuable.

 

The keyblade in KH1 may have been unique, but its function boiled down this: "Kill Heartless. Seal keyholes. Beat baddies." Come the time of DDD, we find that keyblades had a hand in shaping the whole world into what it is today. Maybe keyblades were mundane in the past, but not anymore. We can't tell how many active keyblade wielders there are, but after the Keyblade War their numbers have definitely taken damage. Plus, anyone with a keyblade or who travels worlds period, is expected to keep world order and not blab. Even in KH1, most people didn't bat an eyelash at Sora summoning a big key from hammerspace. Why would a few more make a difference?

 

You're right about how keyblades have lost their individual specialness, but collectively, they're among the most important items in the Kingdom Hearts universe. Sora doesn't need to be the hero by being the only one with a special power. Sora's heart has shown to be special in a way the other keyblade wielders don't have, except maybe Xehanort. It's also not like he's gonna solve everything by himself. One of Kingdom Hearts's themes is how your friends give you strength. I personally wouldn't wanna see Sora charging in there, solving everything by himself just because he's the only one with a nifty weapon that he didn't ask for or even earn on his own.

 

Frankly, given the keyblade's current role in the series so far, I still don't understand why it isn't special anymore just because Sora isn't the only one who can wield one. If anything, it's only gotten more valuable as the series went on.

Sure, you need a strong heart to wield a keyblade... but if everybody has a strong heart, what's so special?

 

What about Yen Sid? Beyond that, Xehanort explicitly mentions other keyblade wielders, saying they will 'flock [to the keyblade graveyard]'

The keyblade never neared extinction

 

Sora and Riku will always defeat everything in their path. It's a videogame. But people haven't needed keyblades to stand up to them before. All of the Disney villains were a viable threat to them. All the various monsters could fight the keyblade. And it's pretty clear that a keyblade doesn't give you an advantage over another keyblade.

The keyblade war is an exciting concept, yes. But that's because it's a concept, and it's set in the past. Actually seeing this war happen wouldn't be exciting, but alluding to it can be. Having a game set during the keyblade war might not even be that bad. But having a new keyblade war opens up a tonne of problems.

 

What makes you say that?

 

Yes. This is something that bothers me. He was a character who was already powerful, already a match for Sora or Riku. A keyblade just sort of homogenizes them. (Seriously, doesn't this make him more powerful than Sora or Riku?)

Kairi having a keyblade is not the worst thing they can do. In fact, if there weren't a doze keyblade wielders, it could have been quite striking; The only three known keyblade wielders, BFFs. As is, it does just seem excessive.

Would have preferred HER show up and save Sora as opposed to randomly giving Lea a keyblade though.

 

When you have less of something, it increases in value. That's the principle behind things like autographs and such.

A similar idea applies here. In KH1, Sora was 'The Guy' HE had the keyblade, which made him unique. Only HE could unlock and lock stuff. Only HE had the magic keyblade powers. Then LE GASP Riku was the one who was really intended to have it! There are TWO whole keybladers! (But still only one keyblade)

See, because there is only one active keyblade, it's SPECIAL. It's because it's unique. But bring back every keyblade wielder from the previous games (And make some new ones along the way presumably) and you have to start asking yourself what's so special.

Let's give an example.

Nomura has said that Sora will be the hero to the end, right?

But... if everybody survives.... why is that? Why is someone going to say 'We need Sora' when there are a hundred other keyblade wielders to choose from. Most of which have powers in direct correlation TO Sora's. Or ones who are older, wiser, or arguably more powerful?

And suddenly travelling to other worlds isn't going to work so well either. In fact, how do they plan to keep the separate worlds secret? It's going to be pretty tricky to explain all of the random strangers with key shaped swords that keep showing up.

What I see, is the KH story walking right into a mess.

 

I dont think it deduces the value of the Keyblade at all. The keyblade is such a Mystery there are so many things that could be done with it. I think the fact we have Sora and Riku who were up untill now self taught, has only skimmed the surface. Yes while the Disney Villains were a match for them in the first game, notice now that Riku and Sora are stronger, they have cut through them easier than lets say the fight with Xemnas. Sora and Riku are getting stronger and I think its going to take some dark wielding Keyblade experts to make this Journey harder and more epic.

And concidering the amount of Xehanorts they are fighting I for one am glad that they are going to have help!

KH series may be walking into a mess but that means more games to clean it up!! So bring on the mess!!!

I think throwing more Keyblades into the mix means more epic battles and storys to be told.

And it doesnt make the Keyblade anyless special!

because of DDD the PoH are technically keyblade wielders since they have a piece of the X-Blade in their hearts. So now there are 39 known keyblade wielders?

Rob was one of the first to mention this along with people wanting Sora and Riku to have armor like Terra, Ven, and Aqua(really?).

tutti frutti. When I first thought that the Keyblade was something that picked and chose the people that were able to wield them, I thought it was something that happened once in a blue moon sort of thing. But when I saw the secret ending to KH2/KH2FM, I saw more of a Dynasty Warriors sort of thing would eventually take place after seeing a good chunk of the place embedded with Keyblades. So, now it doesn't really bug me as much since I kind of think that Keyblade Wielders are slowly being revived into the world.

Rob was one of the first to mention this along with people wanting Sora and Riku to have armor like Terra, Ven, and Aqua(really?).

 

I contest this

 

I dont think it deduces the value of the Keyblade at all. The keyblade is such a Mystery there are so many things that could be done with it. I think the fact we have Sora and Riku who were up untill now self taught, has only skimmed the surface. Yes while the Disney Villains were a match for them in the first game, notice now that Riku and Sora are stronger, they have cut through them easier than lets say the fight with Xemnas. Sora and Riku are getting stronger and I think its going to take some dark wielding Keyblade experts to make this Journey harder and more epic.

And concidering the amount of Xehanorts they are fighting I for one am glad that they are going to have help!

KH series may be walking into a mess but that means more games to clean it up!! So bring on the mess!!!

I think throwing more Keyblades into the mix means more epic battles and storys to be told.

And it doesnt make the Keyblade anyless special!

 

Sora and Riku get stronger.

Then they get pushed right back down. The Disney bosses in DDD weren't pushovers, incapable of doing anything while Sora and Riku mutilated them. It's a balanced scale. There are other things that can stand up to a keyblade wielder.

More games won't clean it up. It'll exasperate the problem. It'll become a web tangled in plot convenience and overpowered characters.

 

Having less of something doesn't make it objectively more valuable. A human may not be special on the individual scale, but collectively, we're the most powerful and efficient creatures on the planet. Conversely, the panda is useless and is only around because we insist on saving them. That's pretty special to me; the human race can sustain itself while using precious time and effort to save creatures that are only worth it because they're cute. An autograph is unique, but so what? It's a signature on paper. It's only valuable because we say it is, but the keyblade actually is valuable.

 

The keyblade in KH1 may have been unique, but its function boiled down this: "Kill Heartless. Seal keyholes. Beat baddies." Come the time of DDD, we find that keyblades had a hand in shaping the whole world into what it is today. Maybe keyblades were mundane in the past, but not anymore. We can't tell how many active keyblade wielders there are, but after the Keyblade War their numbers have definitely taken damage. Plus, anyone with a keyblade or who travels worlds period, is expected to keep world order and not blab. Even in KH1, most people didn't bat an eyelash at Sora summoning a big key from hammerspace. Why would a few more make a difference?

 

You're right about how keyblades have lost their individual specialness, but collectively, they're among the most important items in the Kingdom Hearts universe. Sora doesn't need to be the hero by being the only one with a special power. Sora's heart has shown to be special in a way the other keyblade wielders don't have, except maybe Xehanort. It's also not like he's gonna solve everything by himself. One of Kingdom Hearts's themes is how your friends give you strength. I personally wouldn't wanna see Sora charging in there, solving everything by himself just because he's the only one with a nifty weapon that he didn't ask for or even earn on his own.

 

Frankly, given the keyblade's current role in the series so far, I still don't understand why it isn't special anymore just because Sora isn't the only one who can wield one. If anything, it's only gotten more valuable as the series went on.

 

I don't think you understand. Of course adding more to a FORCE increases its power. More people pushing something will push it faster, and all that.

This is entirely about PERCEIVED value. An autograph is a piece of paper with some graphite or ink on it. But they sell for a lot if there aren't many of them, and if the autograph is from a person who has a perceived higher value than another person (Provides a unique asset of some sort) the value grows.

Now, if there is one keyblade wielder, his skills are valuable. No one else can shoot magic unlocky lasers. Because there is demand for this skill, but limited supply, it has a very high value. But introduce more, and the value starts to degenerate. Yes a group of keyblade wielders are more POWERFUL, but they are less valuable.

Do you see what I'm trying to say?

 

On another note. People have often mentioned 'That's an odd weapon youve got there' or noticed that Sora isn't local. This problem will only grow as more people do that.

ISora and Riku get stronger.

Then they get pushed right back down. The Disney bosses in DDD weren't pushovers, incapable of doing anything while Sora and Riku mutilated them. It's a balanced scale. There are other things that can stand up to a keyblade wielder.

More games won't clean it up. It'll exasperate the problem. It'll become a web tangled in plot convenience and overpowered characters.

 

 

The only Disney Bosses were Pete and Rinzler and I beat both of them no problem, they were the easiest bosses in the game for me. Now I will tell you who provided a challenge....Young Xehanort, and what was he weilding? A Keyblade.

The Organization put up a decent fight too but again what are they against the Keyblade?

Its the ultimate weapon in the story and to leave it in just the hands of the good guys than you have no challenge for our heroes. Sorry but when Sora was fighting Roxas in his heart, Roxas seemed to overpower him quite a bit. Yes Sora overcame him but it was a challenge.

I dont know how you can say more games will make for a convoluted story line....there have been seven games now and I have had no problem following the story line.

And I love Kingdom Hearts so much I would love to see the series go on for a very long time!!!

And I also say that witnessing a Keyblade War for Sora and Riku would have the epic feel that Hollow Bastion had in KHII when the world was over run with Heartless and Nobodys alike and you had the people of that world defending it! Can you imagine them taking on Dark Keybladers!!! OMG what is not EPIC about that!!!

The only Disney Bosses were Pete and Rinzler and I beat both of them no problem, they were the easiest bosses in the game for me. Now I will tell you who provided a challenge....Young Xehanort, and what was he weilding? A Keyblade.

The Organization put up a decent fight too but again what are they against the Keyblade?

Its the ultimate weapon in the story and to leave it in just the hands of the good guys than you have no challenge for our heroes. Sorry but when Sora was fighting Roxas in his heart, Roxas seemed to overpower him quite a bit. Yes Sora overcame him but it was a challenge.

I dont know how you can say more games will make for a convoluted story line....there have been seven games now and I have had no problem following the story line.

And I love Kingdom Hearts so much I would love to see the series go on for a very long time!!!

And I also say that witnessing a Keyblade War for Sora and Riku would have the epic feel that Hollow Bastion had in KHII when the world was over run with Heartless and Nobodys alike and you had the people of that world defending it! Can you imagine them taking on Dark Keybladers!!! OMG what is not EPIC about that!!!

 

And, going by your logic, you know who gave me a LOT more trouble than Young Xehanort? Ansem. And Xemnas. Both of them took me much longer to beat than Young Xehanort. And guess what they don't have? Keyblades.

You being able to beat them easily means nothing. That's gameplay, it has nothing to do with the story. The only canon thing about a boss fight is that you won. HOW you do it means nothing. And difficulty scales as you progress through a game. That's how games work. If Young Xehanort had been the first boss, he would have been the easiest fight. You know what Young Xehanort is? The final boss. Rinzler is most likely your third (If you do it in order) while Pete is your fifth (This is counting just Sora's story.)

Also, you forgot Chernabog.

I don't think you understand. Of course adding more to a FORCE increases its power. More people pushing something will push it faster, and all that.

This is entirely about PERCEIVED value. An autograph is a piece of paper with some graphite or ink on it. But they sell for a lot if there aren't many of them, and if the autograph is from a person who has a perceived higher value than another person (Provides a unique asset of some sort) the value grows.

Now, if there is one keyblade wielder, his skills are valuable. No one else can shoot magic unlocky lasers. Because there is demand for this skill, but limited supply, it has a very high value. But introduce more, and the value starts to degenerate. Yes a group of keyblade wielders are more POWERFUL, but they are less valuable.

Do you see what I'm trying to say?

 

On another note. People have often mentioned 'That's an odd weapon youve got there' or noticed that Sora isn't local. This problem will only grow as more people do that.

 

Ah, I see. Well, I guess I can see how the keyblade sorta loses its specialness value the more people have it, but it personally doesn't bug me. Even though the keyblade is less valuable than we thought since multiple people have it, I still argue the importance of its role and Sora's has only been increasing. Sure, there might be a bunch of other keyblade wielders out there, but where are they? Not helping Sora, that's for sure. They might one day (though I'm honestly hoping they keep the cast as is...), but the fact remains Sora's the main character, and he has something the others don't, keyblade or no. His heart is supposed to be exceptional, so maybe if the keyblade isn't as special as it used to be, it's still just a tool. It's the wielder that's really important in the end, and that's why Sora was able to take the keyblade back from Riku at Hollow Bastion, and why he's supposed to be the one who'll save everyone. The keyblade just lets him act upon his heroics.

 

Oh, yeah. It's been a while since I played the original KH. Even if people made note of the keyblade, it didn't seem like they made a big deal out of it. Maybe people in the KH universe are open to weird things? They're pretty open to shadowy creatures popping out and killing people, at least. What's an oversized key to the equation?

 

And, going by your logic, you know who gave me a LOT more trouble than Young Xehanort? Ansem. And Xemnas. Both of them took me much longer to beat than Young Xehanort. And guess what they don't have? Keyblades.

You being able to beat them easily means nothing. That's gameplay, it has nothing to do with the story. The only canon thing about a boss fight is that you won. HOW you do it means nothing. And difficulty scales as you progress through a game. That's how games work. If Young Xehanort had been the first boss, he would have been the easiest fight. You know what Young Xehanort is? The final boss. Rinzler is most likely your third (If you do it in order) while Pete is your fifth (This is counting just Sora's story.)

Also, you forgot Chernabog.

 

Flew through Ansem and Xemnas too, as well as Chernabog...Nomura made the fight with the Keybader more difficult to emphasize the specialness of the keyblade not denounce it. A foreshadowing of the epic keyblade battles to come!!!

Flew through Ansem and Xemnas too, as well as Chernabog...Nomura made the fight with the Keybader more difficult to emphasize the specialness of the keyblade not denounce it. A foreshadowing of the epic keyblade battles to come!!!

 

You flew through Ansem and Xemnas, but struggled on Young Master Xehanort?

Don't you see the point? Gameplay has nothing to do with story. Xehanort is a powerful person, period. It doesn't mean somebody without a keyblade poses no threat to one who does.

You flew through Ansem and Xemnas, but struggled on Young Master Xehanort?

Don't you see the point? Gameplay has nothing to do with story. Xehanort is a powerful person, period. It doesn't mean somebody without a keyblade poses no threat to one who does.

 

I'm not denouncing those with no keyblade pose no threat, I'm denouncing the fact that adding more keybladers to this makes it less special, I'm stating the opposite, it will add epic ness and grandeur!!

I'm not denouncing those with no keyblade pose no threat, I'm denouncing the fact that adding more keybladers to this makes it less special, I'm stating the opposite, it will add epic ness and grandeur!!

 

It's easy to say that now. I'm sure KH3 with tonnes of keyblade wielders would be epic and amazing. But where do you go after that? What about the mundane? Reviving these character in the moment is exciting and interesting, but ultimately it will hamper any future KH story.

Heh. In spite of my constant bitching about Square putting fanservice over substance... yeah, I loved Axel getting a keyblade.

 

And then I realized why I was okay with Axel getting a keyblade: The fact that Axel was a long established character who we were familiar with, whom we had grown attached to, who had a well fleshed out personality, and was a major player in several of the titles thus far. Moreover, we've seen his own personal journey grow from a generally self-interested hitman to one who managed to relearn the concept of friendship and become something of a heroic figure. We've seen him be a mentor figure to Roxas, stand up for Xion when he more or less knew her secret, and ultimately blow himself up to save Sora. What this all adds up to is the idea that he's earned it. If the keyblade is a merit badge of a good and worthy person, I think Axel qualfies, and I'm more behind him doing so because, as I've said, we've seen this journey and been a part of it. The realizaation of the prize at the end is more satisfying as such.

 

Compare this to the gang from BBS, which includes Ven, Aqua, Terra, Vantitas, Eraquas, and Xehanort. Aside from the latter, we have no inkling who these people are or what they've done to deserve the keyblade. There's been no journey prior to them getting the weapon, and thus it feels like the prize is cheapened as a result. There's no meaning attached to what the keyblade means to them, and therefore just seem like a stock weapon as a result. Also, it doesn't help that the plot-railroad in BBS is so heavy that you know for a fact that they only have keyblades to try and justify the ending, rather than make sense for the rest of the story.

It's easy to say that now. I'm sure KH3 with tonnes of keyblade wielders would be epic and amazing. But where do you go after that? What about the mundane? Reviving these character in the moment is exciting and interesting, but ultimately it will hamper any future KH story.

 

And I think you should make a living predicting the future. I'm so glad you know the direction that Nomura plans to go with this story? So please tell us how KHIII ends?! Since you have predicted all this...

I contest this

 

Reason?

And I think you should make a living predicting the future. I'm so glad you know the direction that Nomura plans to go with this story? So please tell us how KHIII ends?! Since you have predicted all this...

 

Nope. The problem is I CAN'T see where it will go, because of this. I'm not talking details here. I'm talking basic writing and structure. I'm talking basic tropes.

Basically, basics.

And how the story is fast approaching the point of no return.

Nope. The problem is I CAN'T see where it will go, because of this. I'm not talking details here. I'm talking basic writing and structure. I'm talking basic tropes.

Basically, basics.

And how the story is fast approaching the point of no return.

 

Say what you will about Nomura's storytelling ability, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he'll find a way to keep the power level thing in check, that maybe a gazillion keyblade wielders won't come out of nowhere to save the day, and/or that he'll end the series before things get too out of control. It's more comforting to say that you're wrong about this because if you're right, well, it won't be a happy thing to think about.

Say what you will about Nomura's storytelling ability, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he'll find a way to keep the power level thing in check, that maybe a gazillion keyblade wielders won't come out of nowhere to save the day, and/or that he'll end the series before things get too out of control. It's more comforting to say that you're wrong about this because if you're right, well, it won't be a happy thing to think about.

 

Well... I CAN think of ways out, but they're not very satisfying.

It essentially boils down to mass death in KH3

Or everybody just leaving at the end of KH3 to do their own thing, never to be seen again (Or to cameo later, I dunno)

Or have some people 'normalize'

 

It's gonna take major doses of deus ex machina to get them out of this.

How so? It is his light that saved Ven, its his heart that is making these connections. It is his strength that gave him the power to wield the Keyblade. Not the otherway around. You remember without Sora lending his heart to Ven at the begining Ven would have died.

Sora is strong all on his own. And the Keyblade chose him for this reason, there is something special about him and his connection to the Keyblade.

 

I have seen the cutscenes in 3D and sora states at TWTNW that he knows the keyblade didn't chose him,and he doesn't care...and he admits he wields from his connections

I have seen the cutscenes in 3D and sora states at TWTNW that he knows the keyblade didn't chose him,and he doesn't care...and he admits he wields from his connections

 

Right that's exactly what I am saying there is something about Sora that makes him special. I think they wanted him to think that made him less of a Keyblader, or trip him up. But honestly it is this power of Soras that makes him special. Didn't you hear the convo between Ansem the wise and Riku at the end? Even he says that makes Sora special. And the Keyblade didn't chose him untill Riku got corrupted, but also after Riku took it from him, it chose him a second time!

His connections are what give his heart strength, yes but it's his heart making those connections with his special gift.