OKay I've been thinking about the 13Ds( lawl) and i want to see another discussion about it.
I've also got a few questions that keep bugging me.

I've seen alot of people on forums say that the new Organization will have Xemnas, MX,YMX,Ansem and Terranort...but how the heck does that hold up?
Xemnas and Ansem were formed because Terranort became a heartless right? So...how can all three of them be in the Org. at the same time.
(Note: I think the reason it was possible in kh3d is because they were inside a dream and, logically, you can make the impossible happen in a dream, which in this case, could be the resurrection of Xemnas and Ansem. I'm pretty convinced they didn't actually come back)
 

And the time travel plan, wasn't it made just for KH3D and when that plan failed all the versions of MX went back to their respective times?

In KH3, is the time travel plan redone so they come back outside the Dream world too, or does MX find a new group of people for his Org.?

Also please do post any other thoughts about who the darknesses might be
(Or just call Flaming Lea. She knows...she always knows.)

Edited May 13, 201312 yr by Lt.Random

I've seen alot of people on forums say that the new Organization will have Xemnas, MX,YMX,Ansem and Terranort...but how the heck does that hold up?Xemnas and Ansem were formed because Terranort became a heartless right? So...how can all three of them be in the Org. at the same time.

Time travel says hi

 

 

In KH3, is the time travel plan redone so they come back outside the Dream world too, or does MX find a new group of people for his Org.?

It won't have to be redone assuming all of those cloaked figures were actually people he chose. 

(Or just call Flaming Lea. She knows...she always knows.)

I am contacting the Source of KH Knowledge now

Far as I was aware Ansem, Terranort and Xemnas were all plucked from different points in the time line, so they could all be in one place, not confured up with dream logic.  They went back to their rescpective timelines but they'd just be pulled from them again.  There could be a stage in KH3 where you're racing against them. MX may have to carry out some magic/ritual to get them all back while you're trying to save TAV in time to be prepared to fight.  

 

I assume the darkness will be Ansem, Xemnas, Terranort, YMX (Fanservice wants him), Braig, Isa, Sephy, Zack, Oswald, 2/3 originals (like middle aged MX, blah) if MX counts as one of his own darknesses

inb4FL

 

And time travel answers all.

OKay I've been thinking about the 13Ds( lawl) and i want to see another discussion about it.

I've also got a few questions that keep bugging me.

 

I've seen alot of people on forums say that the new Organization will have Xemnas, MX,YMX,Ansem and Terranort...but how the heck does that hold up?

Xemnas and Ansem were formed because Terranort became a heartless right? So...how can all three of them be in the Org. at the same time.

(Note: I think the reason it was possible in kh3d is because they were inside a dream and, logically, you can make the impossible happen in a dream, which in this case, could be the resurrection of Xemnas and Ansem. I'm pretty convinced they didn't actually come back)

 

And the time travel plan, wasn't it made just for KH3D and when that plan failed all the versions of MX went back to their respective times?

 

In KH3, is the time travel plan redone so they come back outside the Dream world too, or does MX find a new group of people for his Org.?

 

Also please do post any other thoughts about who the darknesses might be

(Or just call Flaming Lea. She knows...she always knows.)

 

Well in DDD they weren't just there bc it was a dream realm, they used time travel as YMX summoned or picked them up as needed . Their whole intention in meeting in TWTNW was to welcome the 13th darkness. Xehanort knew even then they didn't have everyone ( the lights weren't gathered ) to actually clash so like he said, they gathered there to welcome Sora as the 13th . They will again use time travel in the future to regather the members like he did in DDD.I myself often question how YMX will know when he will need to remake this trip a second time but MX blabs on about fate and destiny despite manufacturing it constantly .

 

 

As for if they need a dream world  for KH3 to gather ,no they don't. Technically all they need is an in between world that caters to all like when they used TWTNW. Even in DDD,the entire time you were there as both characters you weren't just in a dream . You were also there awake as well like others who came later like for example Lea, Mickey, Donald and Goofy. Thats why they chose that world to meet . When Sora first came he was awake but then was asleep . When Riku first came he was asleep but woke up later. Like Nomura said, pay attention to the world logos and you can tell when their 'asleep or awake status" changes.

I love how you seem to have no issue as far as the logic of having Terranort, Xemnas, and Ansem there at the same time, but have no issue with MX and Young MX being there at the same time. It's the same principle. They've all been assembled through the help of time travel by MX.

but if YMX, ansem and xemnas are part of the thirteen(not to mention all of the other members they will summon through time travel, how can they fight sora and his gang of lights? isnt it a rule that time travelers must have a being of themselves waiting for them in the future? And if that rule fails since probably most of the members are human again, isn't it true that people traveling in time cant have a realistic affect on the future/present?

Well in DDD they weren't just there bc it was a dream realm, they used time travel as YMX summoned or picked them up as needed . Their whole intention in meeting in TWTNW was to welcome the 13th darkness. Xehanort knew even then they didn't have everyone ( the lights weren't gathered ) to actually clash so like he said, they gathered there to welcome Sora as the 13th . They will again use time travel in the future to regather the members like he did in DDD.I myself often question how YMX will know when he will need to remake this trip a second time but MX blabs on about fate and destiny despite manufacturing it constantly .

 

 

As for if they need a dream world  for KH3 to gather ,no they don't. Technically all they need is an in between world that caters to all like when they used TWTNW. Even in DDD,the entire time you were there as both characters you weren't just in a dream . You were also there awake as well like others who came later like for example Lea, Mickey, Donald and Goofy. Thats why they chose that world to meet . When Sora first came he was awake but then was asleep . When Riku first came he was asleep but woke up later. Like Nomura said, pay attention to the world logos and you can tell when their 'asleep or awake status" changes.

Wait, how did the World Logo's show if they were asleep or awake? I never really noticed the differences in them? Could you please enlighten me oh wise Lea?

but if YMX, ansem and xemnas are part of the thirteen(not to mention all of the other members they will summon through time travel, how can they fight sora and his gang of lights? isnt it a rule that time travelers must have a being of themselves waiting for them in the future? And if that rule fails since probably most of the members are human again, isn't it true that people traveling in time cant have a realistic affect on the future/present?

 They do have a version of themselves to anchor them- MX who said hes now revived back in the present time as a human again.Secondly its said you cannot change the PAST . In other words, you can't time travel to the past and change what will then happen in the future. In this instance, basically, you cannot change any of the events that have already happened up till now ..However, the present events and on aren't changing the past bc they haven't happened yet/or are just happening. Thats why MX didn't see Lea saving Sora in time .He could only see what would happen up to that  present meeting point and no further and states this himself and through YMX his other self. 

 

Wait, how did the World Logo's show if they were asleep or awake? I never really noticed the differences in them? Could you please enlighten me oh wise Lea?

 Basically, outta nowhere you see the world logo show up even though you have already been there awhile?( for example) Instead of just displaying when you first enter the world only. 

 They do have a version of themselves to anchor them- MX who said hes now revived back in the present time as a human again.Secondly its said you cannot change the PAST . In other words, you can't time travel to the past and change what will then happen in the future. In this instance, basically, you cannot change any of the events that have already happened up till now ..However, the present events and on aren't changing the past bc they haven't happened yet/or are just happening. Thats why MX didn't see Lea saving Sora in time .He could only see what would happen up to that  present meeting point and no further and states this himself and through YMX his other self. 

 

Basically, outta nowhere you see the world logo show up even though you have already been there awhile?( for example) Instead of just displaying when you first enter the world only. 

Oh, so like with Riku having the World logo show up for TWTNW after fighting Ansem. Got it. Ill look out for that next time i play through DDD.

BECAUSE nomura says so and thats how and  like metal gear with nanomachines kingdom hearts got time travel

Spoiler for metal gear 4 only watch if you dare
 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 201312 yr by Sora2

still thinking that aqua will be one of the 13 darknesses