Super Smash Bros. 4 for Wii U & 3DS

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Good lord, guys, no matter how hard I try to beat Dennys(one of my best friends/soul brothers.) he ends up beating me far more!  I'm good at the game, and I dodge and block and grab and attack and counterattack, but it's still not enough!  I usually make the battles stretch out long because I'm hard to kill, and yet that can't help me to win!  Not that I'm a sore loser, but I don't like losing all the time either!  As for online brawling, I've won and lost my fair share of matches, so I don't have anything to complain, although this perfect pivot technique might just be the thing I need to improve my skills!

[Clouded Sun 1,232]

Glad to hear!

There's plenty more where that came from.

[Anti-SOLDIER 68]

Is there any place where I can watch pro matches of the Wii U version?  I'm looking to get better at Shulk and Duck Hunt right now :tongue:

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Is there any place where I can watch pro matches of the Wii U version?  I'm looking to get better at Shulk and Duck Hunt right now :tongue:

Pro matches?Well that's what For Glory is for but if you wanna be more specific  then try 1 on 1 matches

[hatok 6,413]

Pro matches?Well that's what For Glory is for but if you wanna be more specific  then try 1 on 1 matches

I think they're talking more about seeing the best of the best battle each other, like a proper tournament or something

personally I don't tihnk the game has been out long enough for there to be any 'pros' yet

[Anti-SOLDIER 68]

Pro matches?Well that's what For Glory is for but if you wanna be more specific  then try 1 on 1 matches

I meant stuff like Youtube where I can spectate specific characters and strategies or people who do guides of the sort.  If there are any :tongue:

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I think they're talking more about seeing the best of the best battle each other, like a proper tournament or something

personally I don't tihnk the game has been out long enough for there to be any 'pros' yet

Clash Tournaments and VGBootCamp are hosting lots of pro tournament for the Wii U version with some known smash players attending some of them like Mew2King

I meant stuff like Youtube where I can spectate specific characters and strategies or people who do guides of the sort.  If there are any :tongue:

There are lots of those on youtube if you looked them up

[advfox 698]

I've been playing as Shulk almost all the time since I first started using him, and I think I've improved. I still need to work on spacing when using his aerials, though.

 

Netting a KO with a Back Slash right from behind is one of the most satisfying ways I could ever knock a character out of the stage. Whoever is unfortunate enough to get launched by it feels the true power of the Monado - right before crossing the blast zone. 

[Sorual 607]

YOU GUYS!!!! YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!!

 

 

sakurai said he wont balance patch unless there are any major issues...... i think this qualifies. O.o

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

YOU GUYS!!!! YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!!

 

 

sakurai said he wont balance patch unless there are any major issues...... i think this qualifies. O.o

Oh man, I saw this on reddit. Apparently, it's a bit hard to execute it, but once you get it down, it's near impossible to counter. However, once it's sudden death, you're pretty much firetrucked when you have to execute it again. Those two weren't paying attention, so the Pac-Mans managed to pull it off again.

 

As for competitive tourneys, you don't have to worry about this strategy, assuming friendly fire is on, because there is a hitbox whenever Pac-Man Up-b's.

[Sorual 607]

Oh man, I saw this on reddit. Apparently, it's a bit hard to execute it, but once you get it down, it's near impossible to counter. However, once it's sudden death, you're pretty much firetrucked when you have to execute it again. Those two weren't paying attention, so the Pac-Mans managed to pull it off again.

 

As for competitive tourneys, you don't have to worry about this strategy, assuming friendly fire is on, because there is a hitbox whenever Pac-Man Up-b's.

well, sakurai did say that he would patch to improve online. maybe he could enable friendly fire in team matches.

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

well, sakurai did say that he would patch to improve online. maybe he could enable friendly fire in team matches.

I'm sure there are better ways to patch this, because turning on friendly fire would be drastically changing how you play the game. Just can't think of any right now.

 

Speaking of improving online, I really hope Sakurai thinks about putting in stages with platforms in For Glory. So many characters (Ex: Projectile Spammers and Little Mac) get an unfair advantage because of it. Even just putting in Battlefield will help it greatly.

[Sorual 607]

I'm sure there are better ways to patch this, because turning on friendly fire would be drastically changing how you play the game. Just can't think of any right now.

 

Speaking of improving online, I really hope Sakurai thinks about putting in stages with platforms in For Glory. So many characters (Ex: Projectile Spammers and Little Mac) get an unfair advantage because of it. Even just putting in Battlefield will help it greatly.

i agree. there are other competative stages than final destination or omega. id love for them to be enabled!

[Dio Brando 5,810]

YOU GUYS!!!! YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!!

 

 

sakurai said he wont balance patch unless there are any major issues...... i think this qualifies. O.o

Ummm who would use such strategy on an official 2 v 2 tournament ?This has less to do with balancing and more so to do with exploiting

 

This isn't broken really cuz if you have characters with projectiles like Peach's Turnip,Link's Boomerang and bombs,Samus's homing missles,Megaman's Metal Blade you can jump up to them,hit them with projectile attacks and trigger the launching hit box of the ceiling.

 

 

I'm being serious who the firetruck would use this in a tournament?

 

I don't need to remind you that exploits like this can happen  in previous games including Melee

 

Maybe patch Diddy or something but Pac-Man?What's the point when this is barely usable?

Edited January 3, 2015 by Smash Mega Koopa

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

Ummm who would use such strategy on an official 2 v 2 tournament ?This has less to do with balancing and more so to do with exploiting

 

This isn't broken really cuz if you have characters with projectiles like Peach's Turnip,Link's Boomerang and bombs,Samus's homing missles,Megaman's Metal Blade you can jump up to them,hit them with projectile attacks and trigger the launching hit box of the ceiling.

 

 

I'm being serious who the firetruck would use this in a tournament?

 

I don't need to remind you that exploits like this can happen  in previous games including Melee

 

Maybe patch Diddy or something but Pac-Man?What's the point when this is barely usable?

No one would use this in an actual tourney. As i addressed above, team attack firetrucks this exploit up, so it's not even possible if the tourney is going by standard rules.

[Sorual 607]

Ummm who would use such strategy on an official 2 v 2 tournament ?This has less to do with balancing and more so to do with exploiting

 

This isn't broken really cuz if you have characters with projectiles like Peach's Turnip,Link's Boomerang and bombs,Samus's homing missles,Megaman's Metal Blade you can jump up to them,hit them with projectile attacks and trigger the launching hit box of the ceiling.

 

 

I'm being serious who the firetruck would use this in a tournament?

 

I don't need to remind you that exploits like this can happen  in previous games including Melee

 

Maybe patch Diddy or something but Pac-Man?What's the point when this is barely usable?

the thing is people might use it in for glory mode. either to troll or to get their win rate up. it might ruinn for glory mode team battle.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

the thing is people might use it in for glory mode. either to troll or to get their win rate up. it might ruinn for glory mode team battle.

Not really,if you know how to team attack they can stop it

 

And how do you really patch something like this?Remove Pac-Man's Up B?It's an exploit and it happens in every game even the "sacred" Melee

 

It won't ruin For Glory cuz really.............do all people who bought the game choose Pac-Man and only Pac-Man when playing online?

[Sorual 607]

Not really,if you know how to team attack they can stop it

 

And how do you really patch something like this?Remove Pac-Man's Up B?It's an exploit and it happens in every game even the "sacred" Melee

 

It won't ruin For Glory cuz really.............do all people who bought the game choose Pac-Man and only Pac-Man when playing online?

maybe. to get their win rate up in a cheap way. im not use how to patche something like this tho like you said. im just saying that i dont think this is something that can go untouched. maybe make it so there cant be 2 pac man trampolines so close to each other? im just throwing things out there tho. i dont know an effective way to patch this but im sure it exists. either way, i dont think this can go untouched. i do think something should be done.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

maybe. to get their win rate up in a cheap way. im not use how to patche something like this tho like you said. im just saying that i dont think this is something that can go untouched. maybe make it so there cant be 2 pac man trampolines so close to each other? 

So you basically mean only one Pac-Man can use Up-B and the other is screwed as soon as someone else uses it?That basically means only one person can choose Pac-Man

 

HOW.DO.YOU.FIX.SOMETHING.LIKE.THIS without screwing other Pac-Man players around.

 

And btw you can jump on said trampolines if you have characters like Kirby,Jigglypuff,King Dedede and Meta Knight,ruin their "broken" trick and hit them there.There ya go problem solved

Edited January 3, 2015 by Smash Mega Koopa

[Sorual 607]

So you basically mean only one Pac-Man can use Up-B and the other is screwed as soon as someone else uses it?That basically means only one person can choose Pac-Man

 

HOW.DO.YOU.FIX.SOMETHING.LIKE.THIS without screwing other Pac-Man players around.

 

And btw you can jump on said trampolines if you have characters like Kirby,Jigglypuff,King Dedede and Meta Knight,ruin their "broken" trick and hit them there.There ya go problem solved

and if they miss the chance then they are screwed. i said i was just throwing ideas around. i didnt say that that was how they should fix it. i can think of a few more ways but thats not rly the point right now. im just saying that i dont think this can be left alone. i feel that 2 pacman players will do this to unsuspecting players in team for glory and the players will get screwed. that doesent sound like something that should be left alone to me. the only way to avoid the situation it to try to keep them from succeding in this technique. if they fail then the pac mans will just try again. is that how you want to fight a battle? trying to keep 2 pac mans from doing ONE technique for the entire battle instead of actually fighting them?

[Dio Brando 5,810]

and if they miss the chance then they are screwed. i said i was just throwing ideas around. i didnt say that that was how they should fix it. i can think of a few more ways but thats not rly the point right now. im just saying that i dont think this can be left alone. i feel that 2 pacman players will do this to unsuspecting players in team for glory and the players will get screwed. that doesent sound like something that should be left alone to me. the only way to avoid the situation it to try to keep them from succeding in this technique. if they fail then the pac mans will just try again. is that how you want to fight a battle? trying to keep 2 pac mans from doing ONE technique for the entire battle instead of actually fighting them?

Well if you're good enough you can stop them from doing that by NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DO IT FROM THE BEGINNING!Alsom you don't engage said players in another match again,and they can't do this in sudden deaths cuz Bob-Ombs will kill them.

 

If any of them did this just wait for sudden death,snatch the win quickly and leave the room

[Sorual 607]

Well if you're good enough you can stop them from doing that by NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DO IT FROM THE BEGINNING!Alsom you don't engage said players in another match again,and they can't do this in sudden deaths cuz Bob-Ombs will kill them.

 

If any of them did this just wait for sudden death,snatch the win quickly and leave the room

did you see the whole video? that was their technique. wait for sudden death and go ABOVE the bob-ombs so they dont affect you but will knock out the other players. you cant not engage in the players again because matchmaking is random. and again, even if you stop them from doing it at the beggining, they will just keep trying. and the rest of the fight will just be one team trying to stop the other from preforming the technique. before you know it there will be pacmans in team battle hoping to be paired with another pac-man so they can do this technique. i dont see how this isnt a problem.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

did you see the whole video? that was their technique. wait for sudden death and go ABOVE the bob-ombs so they dont affect you but will knock out the other players. you cant not engage in the players again because matchmaking is random. and again, even if you stop them from doing it at the beggining, they will just keep trying. and the rest of the fight will just be one team trying to stop the other from preforming the technique. before you know it there will be pacmans in team battle hoping to be paired with another pac-man so they can do this technique. i dont see how this isnt a problem.

And again how the firetruck do you fix it?By screwing every other Pac-Man player around by allowing only one Pac-Man to use his Up-B?

 

How do you fix an exploit like this without outright removing the recovery move completely

[Sorual 607]

And again how the firetruck do you fix it?By screwing every other Pac-Man player around by allowing only one Pac-Man to use his Up-B?

 

How do you fix an exploit like this without outright removing the recovery move completely

i was thinking by making all pacman trampolines the same color. say there are more than one trampoline from pacmans recovery on screen. if someone bounces on one but not the other, the other still changes color anyway and is down 1 use. thats my idea anyway.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

i was thinking by making all pacman trampolines the same color. say there are more than one trampoline from pacmans recovery on screen. if someone bounces on one but not the other, the other still changes color anyway and is down 1 use. thats my idea anyway.

But then that other Pac-Man will get screwed cuz the other pac-man can manipulate that to cheaply screw a pac-man out of his recovery