So, besides his own heart, Sora also has Roxas's, Ventus's, and Xion's hearts inside him. And, we know he is only able to dual wield because of Ventus's heart.

And since he has four hearts inside him, there should be a part of the game where he quadruple wields: His Keyblade on his right hand, Ventus's Keyblade in the left hand, and held backwards, and Roxas's and Xion's Keyblades floating behind him, à lá Final Form. it would be a special where he brings the powers of all the hearts inside him, and being able to use moves and abilities from all of them. Anyone agrees?

 

Also, for the floating Keyblades, I think there are two options:

1- Oblivion and Oathkeeper

2- Two Become One and Xion's new Keyblade

 

Comments?

well xion's keyblade was just a memory of sora's keyblade, it shouldn't be as powerful as the real thing. Also because Xion was absorbed back into sora the "memory" of the keyblade might have been absorbed and he can't weild it, it was just absorbed back into his keyblade. Also Roxas could only wield the keyblade because sora could, i don't know if it's the same keyblade but it may have just joined back into sora's keyblade once he joined sora. Your idea is possible but it's also possible that he's still only able to weild two sorry if i burst your bubble but it would be cool if i was wrong and you were right there's no evidence as of yet that either of us are right, we'll just have to wait and see in kh3!!!

Fool. Roxas and Namine don't have their own hearts.

I already made a thread about this. I'm 100% certain he can wield 3 Keyblades since he has Roxas' heart, but I'm not sure about Xion. I thought she also had a heart of her own as well. IDK.

Edited December 28, 201311 yr by The Rocky Shoe

Not needed.

Fool. Roxas and Namine don't have their own hearts.

 

According to DDD they do .

 

 

On topic - Xion's keyblade was a fake -a replica that drew it's power from Roxas/Sora.. Roxas used Sora's and Ven's keyblades. However, if they are saved and brought back as their own separate selves it's possible they could have their own keyblade to choose them eventually especially bc of all their special ties 

 

I already made a thread about this. I'm 100% certain he can wield 3 Keyblades since he has Roxas' heart, but I'm not sure about Xion. I thought she also had a heart of her own as well. IDK.

 

In KH2 when Roxas and Sora fight in his heart station Roxas uses Sora's and Ven' keyblades while Sora still uses his own bc they are inside him . Sora could use his and then steal the ones Roxas used .

Edited December 28, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea

According to DDD they do .

 

 

Fool. Oops, meant to say Xion. I know they have hearts, but I don't think Roxas made a heart of his own. 

Fool. Oops, meant to say Xion. I know they have hearts, but I don't think Roxas made a heart of his own. 

 

In DDD, Sora explained to Roxas that he was his own separate person and deserved to live his own existance bc he had grown his own heart(outside of harboring Vens) . Even Xemnas himself talks about a puppet being able to grow a heart as well as Ansem the Wise who repeated that same thing - a direct reference to Xion and he also talked about bringing back fallen comrades bc of the hearts of those who resided in Sora - roxas, xion , and of course ven through Ansem's hidden data . This could also apply to Namine as well bc there is no reason to say she didn't also grow a heart over time like the others .

According to DDD they do .

 

 

On topic - Xion's keyblade was a fake -a replica that drew it's power from Roxas/Sora.. Roxas used Sora's and Ven's keyblades. However, if they are saved and brought back as their own separate selves it's possible they could have their own keyblade to choose them eventually especially bc of all their special ties 

 

 

In KH2 when Roxas and Sora fight in his heart station Roxas uses Sora's and Ven' keyblades while Sora still uses his own bc they are inside him . Sora could use his and then steal the ones Roxas used .

Actually, Nomura said that Xion and Roxas's Keyblades actually are Sora's Keyblade existing in multiple places at once. Both are the real deal.I can't believe you, of all people, were wrong for once. Your're never wrong about KH stuff. This is a first.

Actually, Nomura said that Xion and Roxas's Keyblades actually are Sora's Keyblade existing in multiple places at once. Both are the real deal.

I can't believe you, of all people, were wrong for once. Your're never wrong about KH stuff. This is a first.

No He actually said Xions was fake and that Sora and ROXAS use the same keyblade at the same time . Riku also straight up says it in game as well

 

 

-- Namine tells Riku that in order for Sora�s memories to be restored, both Sora�s Nobody and Xion must no longer exist. So he takes it on himself to defeat them, but when he and Roxas fought, was that the first time he had realized that Roxas was that Nobody? 

 

Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn�t think that she was Sora or Kairi�s Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that�s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn�t really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody.

 

 

-- In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion�s? 

 

Nomura: Well, it isn�t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion�s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a �heart� to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can�t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort�s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You�ll just have to ask me then.

 

 

 

 

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

Edited December 28, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea

You never know what might happen. Noctis has the ability to summon multiple swords around him, which is something that could be used in KH3.

In DDD, Sora explained to Roxas that he was his own separate person and deserved to live his own existance bc he had grown his own heart(outside of harboring Vens) . Even Xemnas himself talks about a puppet being able to grow a heart as well as Ansem the Wise who repeated that same thing - a direct reference to Xion and he also talked about bringing back fallen comrades bc of the hearts of those who resided in Sora - roxas, xion , and of course ven through Ansem's hidden data . This could also apply to Namine as well bc there is no reason to say she didn't also grow a heart over time like the others .

Fool. I like Sora and all, but he's no genius. Xemnas talked about the Nobodies growing a heart, but he also talked about the body trying to replace its lost heart the first chance it gets. If anything, Sora's body would use Ven's as the first replacement. Which could even further explain Roxas' appearance. I bet Roxas used Ven's heart to grow on, and making his own memories on it.

Fool. I like Sora and all, but he's no genius. Xemnas talked about the Nobodies growing a heart, but he also talked about the body trying to replace its lost heart the first chance it gets. If anything, Sora's body would use Ven's as the first replacement. Which could even further explain Roxas' appearance. I bet Roxas used Ven's heart to grow on, and making his own memories on it.

 

 

Well Ven's heart was dormant  and wasn't his own so his body will try to replace his lost heart the first chance he gets.. This is how they will be able to bring back Roxas as his own separate person bc he did indeed grow his own heart over time during Days.

Well Ven's heart was dormant  and wasn't his own so his body will try to replace his lost heart the first chance he gets.. This is how they will be able to bring back Roxas as his own separate person bc he did indeed grow his own heart over time during Days.

Fool. I dunno, seems a little sketchy. A sad ending for Roxas seems like a better one. 

Fool. I dunno, seems a little sketchy. A sad ending for Roxas seems like a better one. 

 

There are many people who do not want Roxas or Xion to come back bc they feel like they had their proper ending but the end of DDD pretty much confirms they will come back and why they will be able to .The main reason being they grew hearts It's kind of an integral plot point in DDD.

 

— Before the ending, Riku receives research data from Ansem the Wise. In the next title, will that be the key to bringing back the people who are sleeping inside Sora?

Nomura: You could say it’s the key. That data contains the details explaining the way to connect lost hearts.

Edited December 28, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea

There are many people who do not want Roxas or Xion to come back bc they feel like they had their proper ending but the end of DDD pretty much confirms they will come back and why they will be able to .The main reason being they grew hearts It's kind of an integral plot point in DDD.

 

— Before the ending, Riku receives research data from Ansem the Wise. In the next title, will that be the key to bringing back the people who are sleeping inside Sora?

Nomura: You could say it’s the key. That data contains the details explaining the way to connect lost hearts.

Fool. At that point, though, it's just speculation. Who's knows what will happen. It's still up in the air that something might prevent Roxas from coming back. Lately, Ansem has just been coming at the end of the games to explain plot. He could just say, "Roxas couldn't come back because blah blah blah. And nothing can undue the damage I've done. Blah blah. But I've hidden data within the data I hid in Sora. That Sora sure is something special. He's a cool guy, unlike me, because I've done bad things."

 

The only reason I would doubt my own reasoning is that Nomura's plot twists are sooo foreseeable, or don't make sense at all. And sadly, Roxas not coming back doesn't fit those two categories well enough.

Fool. At that point, though, it's just speculation. Who's knows what will happen. It's still up in the air that something might prevent Roxas from coming back. Lately, Ansem has just been coming at the end of the games to explain plot. He could just say, "Roxas couldn't come back because blah blah blah. And nothing can undue the damage I've done. Blah blah. But I've hidden data within the data I hid in Sora. That Sora sure is something special. He's a cool guy, unlike me, because I've done bad things."

 

The only reason I would doubt my own reasoning is that Nomura's plot twists are sooo foreseeable, or don't make sense at all. And sadly, Roxas not coming back doesn't fit those two categories well enough.

 

 

Well i agree it's certainly possible that something could happen to hinder Roxas' return as you have described , I feel that it's unlikely due to how heavily it's emphasized that Roxas was his own person and deserved to live his own life and how much Ansem the Wise emphasized the way it could happen ( growing their own hearts with their own identity) and how Sora is tied to it all. Plus the very people shown during that were Roxas, Ven and Xion . Nomura does write this shit has he goes, no doubt,but in this case I think it's almost guaranteed bc of how much emphasis is made on this subject and saving these very people 

Well i agree it's certainly possible that something could happen to hinder Roxas' return as you have described , I feel that it's unlikely due to how heavily it's emphasized that Roxas was his own person and deserved to live his own life and how much Ansem the Wise emphasized the way it could happen ( growing their own hearts with their own identity) and how Sora is tied to it all. Plus the very people shown during that were Roxas, Ven and Xion . Nomura does write this shit has he goes, no doubt,but in this case I think it's almost guaranteed bc of how much emphasis is made on this subject and saving these very people 

Fool. Alright. But if Roxas doesn't get saved, I'll be there. I will be there. With a ten hour video of a guy dancing around saying I told you so. And it will get 5 views.

Fool. Alright. But if Roxas doesn't get saved, I'll be there. I will be there. With a ten hour video of a guy dancing around saying I told you so. And it will get 5 views.

 

 

 MasterXemnas I literally LOL'D that was sooo funny. . Ok then I will do the same when we all see Roxas return

Nah , I don't think the game needs that . He is already wielding two keyblades after all . 

Sora can wield three I'm sure of that. 

 

He has Riku's Keyblade which he has been carrying around since Kh1

 

And then Ventus and Vanitas each had their own Keyblades before they came back together to almost make the Xblade. 

 

So when he has one he is weilding Rikus and when he has two he is weilding Ventus's and Vanitas's blades (a la LIGHT and DARK like they are usually shown) 

 

Roxas does the same thing and Xion's is a fake keyblade made from memories of it. 

Ah, by the way, I forgot to mention, Naminé may also be able to wield a Keyblade. If so, Kairi should be able to dual wield at some point.

 

On topic - Xion's keyblade was a fake -a replica that drew it's power from Roxas/Sora.. Roxas used Sora's and Ven's keyblades. However, if they are saved and brought back as their own separate selves it's possible they could have their own keyblade to choose them eventually especially bc of all their special ties 

Nothing stops them from getting their own Keyblades. In fact, this is what is probably going to happen when they split from Sora.

Anyway, they could get their own Keyblades and use it for the first time through Sora.

 

He has Riku's Keyblade which he has been carrying around since Kh1

 

And then Ventus and Vanitas each had their own Keyblades before they came back together to almost make the Xblade. 

 

So when he has one he is weilding Rikus and when he has two he is weilding Ventus's and Vanitas's blades (a la LIGHT and DARK like they are usually shown)

Err... no. Nomura explicitly said that Sora has his own Keyblade, and when he dual wields he is wielding his and Ven's Keyblades.

 

 

Err... no. Nomura explicitly said that Sora has his own Keyblade, and when he dual wields he is wielding his and Ven's Keyblades.

I've found time and again when people say "Nomura said" that it was just a rumor, and its cannon that that keyblade was originally Riku's, as for the other two I am 99.999% sure that those belong to Ventus and Vanitas. 

I've found time and again when people say "Nomura said" that it was just a rumor, and its cannon that that keyblade was originally Riku's, as for the other two I am 99.999% sure that those belong to Ventus and Vanitas. 

  Ummm no .Nomura did say that . Why else do you think Sora still wielded after Roxas was born and had Ven's heart with him?  He wields his own bc riku's keyblade CHOSE him in the end and it's now Sora's permanently. He then dual wields bc of Ven. As for Vanitas that's a wild assumption .

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora�s and Ventus� keyblades.

 

Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus� as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

[picture: Roxas and Riku fighting]

 

Roxas awakens his ability to dual-wield with his will to not forget Xion who also wielded a keyblade.

 

 

 

Ah, by the way, I forgot to mention, Naminé may also be able to wield a Keyblade. If so, Kairi should be able to dual wield at some point.

 

Nothing stops them from getting their own Keyblades. In fact, this is what is probably going to happen when they split from Sora.

Anyway, they could get their own Keyblades and use it for the first time through Sora.

 

 

 

I never said it did . Matter of fact I believe they will which is why i added that part to begin with . "However, if they are saved and brought back as their own separate selves it's possible they could have their own keyblade to choose them eventually especially bc of all their special ties "

Edited December 28, 201311 yr by Flaming Lea

  Ummm no .Nomura did say that . Why else do you think Sora still wielded after Roxas was born and had Ven's heart with him?  He wields his own bc riku's keyblade CHOSE him in the end and it's now Sora's permanently. He then dual wields bc of Ven. As for Vanitas that's a wild assumption .

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora�s and Ventus� keyblades.

 

Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus� as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

[picture: Roxas and Riku fighting]

 

Roxas awakens his ability to dual-wield with his will to not forget Xion who also wielded a keyblade.

 

 

 

 

I never said it did . Matter of fact I believe they will which is why i added that part to begin with . "However, if they are saved and brought back as their own separate selves it's possible they could have their own keyblade to choose them eventually especially bc of all their special ties "

And once again Flaming Lea rolls in and drops a truth bomb on me  

 

So its Ventus and Sora's blade (though it was originally riku's) still a chance there is a Vanitas blade in there though. 

And once again Flaming Lea rolls in and drops a truth bomb on me

 

So its Ventus and Sora's blade (though it was originally riku's) still a chance there is a Vanitas blade in there though. 

 

I think a Vanitas return is pretty probable so we'll have to wait and see if it's through time travel or if he sought refuge after all like Ven did ( although it's possible it's not in Sora). Supposedly he was destroyed but as mentioned he could've " pulled a Ven"