How do Roxas and Namine exist? And what about Vens heart?

[Fates Chance XIII 307]

Now Idk if they ever mentioned it, maybe Im Just forgetting here but how the heck do Roxas and Namine exist?

 

We all know that a nobody is the body and soul that is left over after the heart is corrupted and leaves the body. But, how then can Roxas and Namine continue to exist when their somebodies still have their bodies and souls? I mean, I know Kairi is special because she is a PoH but...think about it. She was created when her heart was released by Sora, at the same time Roxas was created. When Kairis heart went back to her, it did the same thing with Roxas- it stopped the transfer of memories to the nobody Namine. So wouldn't she have been exactly like Roxas at the beginning of days? Empty with no idea who she was? I don't see why the Organization would've filled her in, I mean they didn't fill Roxas in on who sora was.

 

But that still doesn't answer how she exists when the body and soul she is supposed to have is still with Kairi! I mean, I know she is 'A special nobody' but how is that supposed to work?

 

And Roxas puzzles me too. When Sora was a heartless, he (sora) wasn't using his body because it became Roxas with Vens still damaged heart inside him (which is why he looks like him). But when Sora turned back to normal in KH1 why didn't his body his 'empty shell' come back and Roxas just go back then? I assume Soras soul split in two leaving part of it in Roxas which is why they have a connection still, but he shouldn't have a body to occupy anymore!

 

And most importantly ( and I cant believe its taken me this long to wonder this) why doesn't Roxas have any of Vens memories? I know BBS probably wasn't in the works when Roxas character was being developed, but from a logic of how things in this game world work, it really doesn't make sense.

 

Vens heart connected to Soras

 Sora releases his heart,

Soras heart becomes a heartless,

Vens goes to the shell that is Roxas making him look like Ven since soras heart isn't inside of him to give the nobody an appearance,

Sora changes back stopping his memories from going to Roxas, thus giving Roxas virtually none of his appearance.

(I assume that if Sora had stayed a heartless his nobodys appearance would've changed to be more like the other Org13 members)

 

 

But Roxas isn't empty! Why is he a zombie! He should have the memories left in Vens heart, and be believing them to be his own! He should be wondering why people call him Roxas and not V-E-N-T-U-S with an X mixed in somewhere! If the heart is the container for memories how could Vens memories not have ANY effect on this empty vessel it now is contained within! IT obviously had an effect on his appearance, and on his ability to dual wield Keyblades! How could I have missed this plot hole for so long?! Did I miss something? Did they explain this, and I just forgot or didn't hear about it? I can deal with Roxas having a body all his own be made for him by the universe when Soras body got called back to his heart. I can deal with Namine just being 'Special' because she is a nobody of a PoH. But this is just makes no sense.

 

Although his heart having been given a new container all its own could've helped it heal up, and so its time in Roxas could be important to Ven being whole again...which could be important later...but this still puzzles me...

[Fenrissychros 167]

A lot of people seem to disagree with me, but i believe that Roxas will actually be ''revived'' in kh3 not as himself, but becoming one with Ventus, where we will learn that Roxas was no other than Ventus' nobody, and like Axel has now ''transformed'' into Lea for the remaining of the series, Ventus will awaken his sleep with all the memories and experiences he had ''when he was Roxas''

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

#1 Namine was an anomoly period . As stated by Ansem the Wise, she breaks all the rules of a nobody yet she is the very definition of one - she isn't suppose to exist. She doesn't even have a real physical body.

 

#2 Sora's darkness was cleansed by Kairi ( a PoH ) and so instead of staying a shadow heartless he remained basically a walking heart until he was reunited with his physical body. ( Roxas in KH2 )This gave him a 'psuedo body" but his actual physical body had turned into Roxas . They remained separated until KH2 and they were merged back together then.

 

#3 Roxas was Sora's physical body AND SOUL. The soul never leaves the body since it is it's life force. However the heart is still connected to the body which is why Roxas and Sora still remain connected while apart.

 

#4 Ven's heart was ASLEEP and NOT active therefore Roxas was born without Ven's memories and basically a blank slate since Sora still retained his memories while as a walking heart.

 

#5 The reason why Roxas was finally able to dual wield at the end of Days was bc  Xion's death literally 'AWAKENED " the ability from Ven's heart ( who was asleep and inactive).Up until that point the only thing Ven's heart was giving Roxas was his appearance since the 'heart shapes the vessel". That is the reason he doesn't look like Sora. Ven's heart isn't fully functioning as a normal healthy awake heart yet though.

 

#6 Ven's body was asleep in CO therefore Roxas ISN'T Vens nobody and also is confirmed to be Sora's nobody - in game and by Nomura himself. Ven's heart merely was inhabiting Sora's physical body bc it wasn't awakened yet and reunited with it's body which is in CO.It being asleep and not functional for the most part is why Roxas doesn't carry Ven's memories. 

 

#7 Kairi's heart was never asleep and when it was hiding in Sora interacted with Sora's heart all through KH1 -Something Ven's sleeping INACTIVE heart can't do for Roxas.

 

Even though both Namine and Roxas are special nobodies they are still different circumstances.

Edited December 21, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Movies798 1,360]

#1 Namine was an anomoly period . As stated by Ansem the Wise, she breaks all the rules of a nobody yet she is the very definition of one - she isn't suppose to exist. She doesn't even have a real physical body.

 

#2 Sora's darkness was cleansed by Kairi ( a PoH ) and so instead of staying a shadow heartless he remained basically a walking heart until he was reunited with his physical body. ( Roxas in KH2 )This gave him a 'psuedo body" but his actual physical body had turned into Roxas . They remained separated until KH2 and they were merged back together then.

 

#3 Roxas was Sora's physical body AND SOUL. The soul never leaves the body since it is it's life force. However the heart is still connected to the body which is why Roxas and Sora still remain connected while apart.

 

#4 Ven's heart was ASLEEP and NOT active therefore Roxas was born without Ven's memories and basically a blank slate since Sora still retained his memories while as a walking heart.

 

#5 The reason why Roxas was finally able to dual wield at the end of Days was bc  Xion's death literally 'AWAKENED " the ability from Ven's heart ( who was asleep and inactive).Up until that point the only thing Ven's heart was giving Roxas was his appearance since the 'heart shapes the vessel". That is the reason he doesn't look like Sora. Ven's heart isn't fully functioning as a normal healthy awake heart yet though.

 

#6 Ven's body was asleep in CO therefore Roxas ISN'T Vens nobody and also is confirmed to be Sora's nobody - in game and by Nomura himself. Ven's heart merely was inhabiting Sora's physical body bc it wasn't awakened yet and reunited with it's body which is in CO.It being asleep and not functional for the most part is why Roxas doesn't carry Ven's memories. 

 

#7 Kairi's heart was never asleep and when it was hiding in Sora interacted with Sora's heart all through KH1 -Something Ven's sleeping INACTIVE heart can't do for Roxas.

 

Even though both Namine and Roxas are special nobodies they are still different circumstances.

THANK YOU!!! I couldn't explain better than myself. Your explanation proves how and why Roxas and Ventus are two completely different people and not the same.

[Dave 5,715]

They don't exist.

[Fates Chance XIII 307]

IDK why its not letting me quote here:

 

Flaming Lea

 

"#6

 

...Roxas isn't Vens nobody."

 

I never said he was. I just said since his heart was inside him. Nomura has said Roxas can dual wield because of Ventus, and that Roxas looks the way he does because of Ven. I just think it's curious that his 'inactive heart' is causing all these other things to happen to Roxas and yet he doesn't have any memories from it- especially when he was first born. Even if Vens heart is inactive, it was active enough to give him an appearance, why wouldn't Roxas have any even lingering memories from what remains of Vens heart- especially when Roxas had nothing when he was born. I still find it odd...

 

And I wasn't looking for a straight up answer to Namine, I was hoping for more of a theories discussion. Though I never really thought of Sora walking around as being just a heart. I always thought of it as you needed at least a soul and a body to be sentient and walking around. I think I need to revisit BBS again and freshen up on Vens story near the end. Regardless, I still want to know what anyones theories are on what Namine is and why she wasn't a zombie when she was born.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

IDK why its not letting me quote here:

 

Flaming Lea

 

"#6

 

...Roxas isn't Vens nobody."

 

I never said he was. I just said since his heart was inside him. Nomura has said Roxas can dual wield because of Ventus, and that Roxas looks the way he does because of Ven. I just think it's curious that his 'inactive heart' is causing all these other things to happen to Roxas and yet he doesn't have any memories from it- especially when he was first born. Even if Vens heart is inactive, it was active enough to give him an appearance, why wouldn't Roxas have any even lingering memories from what remains of Vens heart- especially when Roxas had nothing when he was born. I still find it odd...

 

And I wasn't looking for a straight up answer to Namine, I was hoping for more of a theories discussion. Though I never really thought of Sora walking around as being just a heart. I always thought of it as you needed at least a soul and a body to be sentient and walking around. I think I need to revisit BBS again and freshen up on Vens story near the end. Regardless, I still want to know what anyones theories are on what Namine is and why she wasn't a zombie when she was born.

 

Roxas was not able to access Ven's keyblade until after Xion's death which literally caused the ability to be "awakened "-- meaning it was 'asleep' before that. There is a distinct reason for that. The reason why Ven's heart was able to give Roxas Ven's appearance is bc even if it is asleep it is still present---something Sora's wasn't at the time .That's why the heart shapes the vessel. This concept has been explained by Nomura . Just like Ven's heart being close to Ven's body caused Roxas to faint in CO- just bc it's asleep doesn't mean it doesn't affect them period. Just not to the extent an awake one would. The hearts presence alone also affected Axel and others who were around Roxas. That doesn't mean it was awake. 

 

As for Sora being a walking heart - that's also fact. Axel even muses on it in CoM - saying Sora was the only other person besides Ansem to retain a human appearance despite being a heart or heartless.. ( although for kinda different reasons)

 

Namine wasn't greatly expounded on yet except to be noted as an anomoly. I don't even know that Nomura even bothered to think of the situation in detail other than she was born from Kairis heart leaving Sora's body and Kairi being a PoH.

Edited December 21, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Fates Chance XIII 307]

I remember in Days that scene where Axel is in the library and he finds a book about Namine. God I wish I could read that book. She really is one of the last remaining complete mysteries in the series. If they never go into more detail about her, I will be so disappointed.