Lady and the Tramp/101 Dalmatians in KH3...?

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

OK, guys, before starting the topic, I would like to make it clear: I already know there is a Lady and the Tramp statue in the Third District of Traverse Town in every game this world is present and that we can visit the Dalmatians's Den in this world (TT), too. However what I'm going to talk about here is the idea of these characters's world appearance, and not just a cameo.

 

So, this past weekend, I rewatched both Lady and the Tramp movies (I love both films with all my heart very much and equally. Yes, not everybody hates Disney sequels. At least, not me) and both 101 Dalmatians movies (the 1961 animated movie and the 2003 sequel, not the 1996 live-action movie and its 2000 sequel, OK?), and gotta tell you guys: why not put these worlds in KH3 or any other future title?

 

Why's that? Simple: because both movies (the original movies and its sequels) have a lot of potential, especially in the villains/plot part. Didn't we see in the D23 2013 trailer a swarm of Shadow Heartless going after Sora in Twilight Town? And didn't we see in KH3D that the Cornerstone of Light wasn't enough to protect Disney Castle from Maleficent and Pete? Its powers was getting weakened due to the strong influence of darkness, most certainly because of Xehanort and his new Organization, right?

 

But, let's get back to the real point: A Lady and the Tramp's and 101 Dalmatians's worlds would be fitting in KH series (especially in KH3, but that's just my opinion, OK? Maybe they might appear in any other future installment), since there are lots of antagonists in both movies and that could be related to what I mentioned in the previous paragraph: darkness is growing stronger, thus, there are (might be) more villains in the worlds in KH3. Besides, let's be honest: Lady and the Tramp is a romance movie, so, this special world could serve as a way to inspire Sora to finally express his feelings for Kairi about how much she's important to him (or how much he loves her) and vice-versa (I know they have done this multiple times in the series, except the love-tell-stuff, and those times proves us many things, but, still, I would like to see them confess their feelings to each other, this time with words, and not just making it appear like they're an unofficial couple. I want them to act like an official couple). Guys, please: if Sora (and other human characters) can understand what Goofy and Donald (as well as other animal characters and even gargoyles) says very clearly, why wouldn't he be able to communicate with Lady and Tramp? He could help Tramp and Lady get closer to each other (since he has done that many times with other couples before, right?), take them to any place to be alone (especially the restaurant where the dogs perform the famous sphagetti scene) and many other things, such as helping Tramp fighting that Rat (while shrunk inside the house, just like Ventus and Aqua in Castle of Dreams and Sora in Wonderland, but this only when inside the house due to an unknown factor) while protecting the baby in the crib. After this battle, the plot would follow the original movie, however, while that evil old lady (Aunt Sarah) locks Tramp in the wardrobe and Lady in the basement and calls the dog pound to take Tramp away, her two siamese cats (Si and Am) hide the Rat's body to blame Lady and Tramp even further (as Aunt Sarah thought both dogs were trying to harm the baby) (I've heard/read in some sites, after lots of researches, that these cats really did that in a novelization of the original movie, so this could work for the game, just like that scene in Aqua's chapter in Castle of Dreams, which wasn't on the original movie, where Cinderella and the Prince finally meet/reunite again). So Sora and co's mission would be fight the cats and take the proof (the dead body, of course, not seen nor shown on screen, since this is a Disney game) back to the room where he fought the Rat just in time for Lady's owners to arrive and see. As they go after the dogcatcher to rescue Tramp, Sora and co (in their normal sizes) would have to reach the car before it reached the dog pound (that dog Trusty could help them track down which way the car went). As Sora and co, Lady and her owners and Trusty are about to release Tramp, the car where the dog is trapped would actually transform into a monstrous Heartless ready to take down Tramp, but Sora and co save him of course, defeat the Heartless and then Tramp is adopted by Lady's owners, marries her and has those four puppies seen in the end of the first film. If KH3 have a "visit-the-same-world-twice" like KH2, then the plot could follow Lady and the Tramp 2: Scamp's Adventure, with Sora and co trying to convince Scamp to return home with his father and all the plot would, obviously, going to be the same as the movie. And please, don't tell me/don't come with: "Ah, it's a very short time between Sora's two visits in the same world for the puppies to have already been born and grown up a bit". Really? Then how you guys explain to me the second time we visit Pride Lands, Nala mentions Simba will be a father and Kiara (their daughter) is shown in the credits scenes already? You see? Time really flows differently in each world, so this wouldn't be a problem. After his adventures in this world (Lady and the Tramp's world) are over, he could finally get inspired to tell Kairi his true feelings about her (maybe at the ending of the game after the final battle, who knows), seeing Lady and the Tramp's and Scamp and Angel's relationships.

 

As for the 101 Dalmatians, since we have nothing (no details) on what events happened/were happening in their homeworld before it was swallowed by the darkness and then Pongo and Perdita (the parents) ended up in Traverse Town with the puppies scattered in a group of 3 in chests in other worlds, the plot could follow the original movie, with Cruella, Jasper and Horace kidnapping the puppies and Sora and co having to save all of them again. In the second visit, the plot would follow the original movie's sequel, and with Patch (one of the puppies) wanting to be different from his siblings, who obviously, are all Dalmatians, that could certainly serve as a lesson to Sora that, for example, even if he and Roxas are "somebody" and a "nobody" and both inhabit the same body, they're in no way the same person. Each person, no matter how similar they might look (Patch and his siblings, Sora and Roxas/Roxas and Ventus), they're in no way the same being. Different minds, different hearts, different thoughts, so this world could really be helpful in the plot (as well as Lady and the Tramp's one) to some extent.

 

Oh, and please, don't come also with: "These films have very real-world places like London, it wouldn't work out very well". So what? London and the Big Bang clock are seen in KH1 (London is even mentioned by name by Wendy in Re: CoM), The Emperor says the word "China" in KH2, Phil says "Greece" in BBS, a map of Africa was seen in Deep Jungle's tent and nobody complained. So I'm pretty sure the staff could come with a creative name for these worlds, couldn't they?

 

PS: I know, I know, there are/there might be plenty of other Disney worlds/films who could replace these 2 worlds I mentioned, however, I would like to see these worlds specifically, because, aside from "A 100 Acre Woods" and "Deep Space", which other worlds already shown in KH have talking animals as the main characters (I can't remember any now)? Besides, Lady and the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians would be good choices for new "old" worlds, since EVERY game has worlds based on movies produced/released before or after Walt Disney's death, right?

 

So, guys, please leave here your thoughts/opinions on this post. Let me know them. What did you guys think of it?

 

Love and peace...

Edited January 14, 2015 by SRKTVAMDGRLXN

[Green Sparrow 795]

Please note before reading: it has been FOREVER since I've seen either 101 Dalmatians or Lady and the Tramp.While I can't say that I want your ideas in the actual game, after reading your post I am now a lot more open for these worlds showing up in KH3. I honestly do look forward to a 101 Dalmatians world, since the PS4 could definitely handle having all of them on screen at once. I think L&T would be difficult, since not much actually happens in the movie before the final act, but to be fair, the entire Enchanted Dominion section in BBS just covers the last third of Sleeping Beauty.Regardless of what they do, I think the original movies are strong enough to carry a level on their own without shoving their sequels in their for padding. Not that they can't come in later, but they would feel really tacked on in my opinion.

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

Please note before reading: it has been FOREVER since I've seen either 101 Dalmatians or Lady and the Tramp.While I can't say that I want your ideas in the actual game, after reading your post I am now a lot more open for these worlds showing up in KH3. I honestly do look forward to a 101 Dalmatians world, since the PS4 could definitely handle having all of them on screen at once. I think L&T would be difficult, since not much actually happens in the movie before the final act, but to be fair, the entire Enchanted Dominion section in BBS just covers the last third of Sleeping Beauty.Regardless of what they do, I think the original movies are strong enough to carry a level on their own without shoving their sequels in their for padding. Not that they can't come in later, but they would feel really tacked on in my opinion.

Thanks a lot for answering back, my friend...I was starting to get worried people would ignore this post since it's too long, but all I wanted was to show how these worlds could fit in the next game.

But I find it really weird that in Pride Lands's second visit, Nala is already pregnant, since Sora visited her and Simba just a few days/weeks ago and then in the credits scene, their baby is already born? WHAT? How much time has passed while Sora and co were away? This proves time really flows differently in the worlds. So I guess if Lady and the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians were in KH3, that surely wouldn't be a problem, right? Besides, I mentioned the sequels only if KH3 has the same mechanic as KH2 (visit each world twice), a feature I surely hope it comes back, since it's the end of this first saga. However, since the 101 Dalmatians sequel could be more related to the plot of the game (as well as both Lady and the Tramp movies) than the first movie (IMO), in this case, I think the sequels are needed.

Edited January 13, 2015 by SRKTVAMDGRLXN

[Forever 3,550]

Maybe Riku and Sora can finally seal their friendship, and eat spaghetti together.

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

Maybe Riku and Sora can finally seal their friendship, and eat spaghetti together.

I really laughed so hard with this comment, but be honest: what do you think about my idea?

Edited January 12, 2015 by SRKTVAMDGRLXN

[Forever 3,550]

I really laughed so hard with this comment, but be honest: is my idea going too far or not?

 

I don't think it's too far per se, since we have had some pretty strange Disney encounters in the past... (Still trying to figure out how Deep Space makes sense) But I'm just not sure those two franchises are as relevant now as they were back in 2002. SOOO much new Disney material has spawned since then, so I'm just not sure they would go back that far(Yes I know they did for Notre Dame, but Frollo is an evil psycho and the environment is enormous, so it kinda works.) And speaking of nutcases, the Lady and the Tramp is a pretty innocent franchise. Their wasn't really a villain, just a bunch of little pets getting into shenanigans, not much else. However, 101 has a slim chance of working because Cruella De Vil does have a rather dark heart. I'm just still not sure how much action you could get out of rescuing puppies from a barn, but it wouldn't be impossible....

Edited January 12, 2015 by Pandy Monium

[Firaga 5,947]

Its certainly possible for a 101 Dalmatians world, but how it would work in the context of the universe is still a big question.

 

As for Lady and the Tramp, well, they were a statue in Traverse Town, and the Mad Hatter was on the front of a hat store in Traverse Town, and then he was in Wonderland, but for some reason, seemingly trapped inside a picture frame with the March Hare... so, uh, connect the dots...

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

I don't think it's too far per se, since we have had some pretty strange Disney encounters in the past... (Still trying to figure out how Deep Space makes sense) But I'm just not sure those two franchises are as relevant now as they were back in 2002. SOOO much new Disney material has spawned since then, so I'm just not sure they would go back that far(Yes I know they did for Notre Dame, but Frollo is an evil psycho and the environment is enormous, so it kinda works.) And speaking of nutcases, the Lady and the Tramp is a pretty innocent franchise. Their wasn't really a villain, just a bunch of little pets getting into shenanigans, not much else. However, 101 has a slim chance of working because Cruella De Vil does have a rather dark heart. I'm just still not sure how much action you could get out of rescuing puppies from a barn, but it wouldn't be impossible....

What about the Rat who tries to kill the baby and those siamese cats who gets Lady in trouble?They don't look very innocent to me...

Wait, what do you mean?

Its certainly possible for a 101 Dalmatians world, but how it would work in the context of the universe is still a big question.

 

As for Lady and the Tramp, well, they were a statue in Traverse Town, and the Mad Hatter was on the front of a hat store in Traverse Town, and then he was in Wonderland, but for some reason, seemingly trapped inside a picture frame with the March Hare... so, uh, connect the dots...

Like mentioned before, the sequel has a plot that could be more connected to KH3's story than the original movie...

Edited January 13, 2015 by SRKTVAMDGRLXN

[Firaga 5,947]

Like mentioned before, the sequel has a plot that could be more connected to KH3's story than the original movie...

 

Maybe so, but the franchise is still about dogs and crazy ladies trying to turn them into coats. It'd be hard to do that well in a KH setting.

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

Maybe so, but the franchise is still about dogs and crazy ladies trying to turn them into coats. It'd be hard to do that well in a KH setting.

Maybe, then what about this: to match with KH3's plot, the story would only be focused on Patch, his siblings, Sora and the hearts connected to him, while the crazy lady would still be an antagonist in their homeworld, but not being that important and just having a few appearances (all of this on the second visit to the world). You know, sometimes the developers must change some stuff from the original sources to fit with the KH universe, right?

Edited January 13, 2015 by SRKTVAMDGRLXN

[Firaga 5,947]

Maybe, then what about this: to match with KH3's plot, the story would only be focused on Patch, his siblings, Sora and the hearts connected to him, while the crazy lady would still be an antagonist in their homeworld, but not being that important and just having a few appearances (all of this on the second visit to the world). You know, sometimes the developers must change some stuff from the original sources to fit with the KH universe, right?

 

To be honest, I don't see a plot involving the premise of a straight-to-video sequel being adapted into the KH lore. I don't have too much of a gripe with them as most people do (probably because I've actually seen them, which I doubt these people have), but based on the general consensus and the vast difference of quality between the sequels and their predecessors, its very unlikely.

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

To be honest, I don't see a plot involving the premise of a straight-to-video sequel being adapted into the KH lore. I don't have too much of a gripe with them as most people do (probably because I've actually seen them, which I doubt these people have), but based on the general consensus and the vast difference of quality between the sequels and their predecessors, its very unlikely.

What about The Return of Jafar, which was used for KH2's Agrabah plot?

[Firaga 5,947]

What about The Return of Jafar, which was used for KH2's Agrabah plot?

 

That was barely an adaption of Return of Jafar. Besides, all the plot did was bring back the villain from last time. Any world could do that without following another movie if it wanted to.

[Forever 3,550]

What about the Rat who tries to kill the baby and those siamese cats who gets Lady in trouble?They don't look very innocent to me...

Wait, what do you mean?

 

I am aware that there are mischievious critters in the movie, what I'm saying is it's hard to see them on a real villian-y level.  The Siamese cats themselves are like 5 inches tall, all Sora would need to do is kick them across the room. It would be animal abuse, but....

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

That was barely an adaption of Return of Jafar. Besides, all the plot did was bring back the villain from last time. Any world could do that without following another movie if it wanted to.

I don't know...Unless the villains are defeated for good, be it in the original movie or in the sequel, they'll still pose as a threat to the heroes (e.g Captain Hook wasn't killed neither in BBS nor in KH1) like Maleficent, Ursula and Oogie Boogie (they were all brought back to life in KH2 for plot reasons, but still why is Ursula in KH3D? Wasn't she defeated/killed for the third time in KH2 and then in 3D she returns?). And since Oogie Boogie was revived in the game Oogie Boogie's Revenge, there are still chances Halloween Town might return in future installments.

[Firaga 5,947]

I don't know...Unless the villains are defeated for good, be it in the original movie or in the sequel, they'll still pose as a threat to the heroes (e.g Captain Hook wasn't killed neither in BBS nor in KH1) like Maleficent, Ursula and Oogie Boogie (they were all brought back to life in KH2 for plot reasons, but still why is Ursula in KH3D? Wasn't she defeated/killed for the third time in KH2 and then in 3D she returns?). And since Oogie Boogie was revived in the game Oogie Boogie's Revenge, there are still chances Halloween Town might return in future installments.

 

I still don't see this happening.

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

I am aware that there are mischievious critters in the movie, what I'm saying is it's hard to see them on a real villian-y level.  The Siamese cats themselves are like 5 inches tall, all Sora would need to do is kick them across the room. It would be animal abuse, but....

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I LAUGHED AT THAT PART YOU WROTE...Like I wrote on the post, while inside the house-only, Sora and co would be shrunken by an unknown factor (Remember in BBS, when Ventus visits Castle of Dreams at the very beggining, neither him nor us know the reason he can only visit the world while shrunken: "SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW I GOT SO SMALL"). Due to this "magical interference", Sora and co would be shrunken as long as they stay in the house, but, outside of it, they would regain their normal sizes. To fight the Rat and both cats, Sora should be shrunken to make things more fair, like you said, or else he could just step on the rodent and kick those felines, taking away all the fun of battle.

I still don't see this happening.

What, exactly? The sequels being in the game? Unless that trouble Sora had in KH1 (rescuing all those puppies) be considered the first movie plot for 101 Dalmatians's world in KH3, IF their homeworld appear in the game, it will follow the sequel's plot.

[Firaga 5,947]

What, exactly? The sequels being in the game? Unless that trouble Sora had in KH1 (rescuing all those puppies) be considered the first movie plot for 101 Dalmatians's world in KH3, IF their homeworld appear in the game, it will follow the sequel's plot.

 

That wasn't even a plot though. It was a glorified fetch quest if anything. lol "The puppies are lost, bring them back", that's not much of a narrative. If anything, the 101 Dalmatians concept was all that was utilized in that bit, going off the simple fact that in 101 Dalmations, there are literally a hundred and one dalmations and... you know, that's a lot of dogs. That's all it really is.

[SRKTVAMDGRLXN 232]

That wasn't even a plot though. It was a glorified fetch quest if anything. lol "The puppies are lost, bring them back", that's not much of a narrative. If anything, the 101 Dalmatians concept was all that was utilized in that bit, going off the simple fact that in 101 Dalmations, there are literally a hundred and one dalmations and... you know, that's a lot of dogs. That's all it really is.

OK, so the first movie's plot MIGHT BE out of question...But the sequel's story could still be useful to KH3's plot (to some extent), right?

[Firaga 5,947]

OK, so the first movie's plot MIGHT BE out of question...But the sequel's story could still be useful to KH3's plot (to some extent), right?

 

I honestly don't know and I don't see it happening.

[Weedanort 8,787]

I'm fine with 101 Dalmatians being in Kingdom Hearts III

 

 

Maybe so, but the franchise is still about dogs and crazy ladies trying to turn them into coats. It'd be hard to do that well in a KH setting.

 

They could go the easy way out:

 

[Firaga 5,947]

They could go the easy way out:

 

 

Wait, what? I don't get it.

[Weedanort 8,787]

Wait, what? I don't get it.

 

They basically butchered the whole message of the movie when they put it in Kingdom Hearts 3D

[Firaga 5,947]

They basically butchered the whole message of the movie when they put it in Kingdom Hearts 3D

 

How? Is it because Quasimodo decided to leave Nortre Dame? The message was that he gained the courage to be able to go out into the outside world and find new friends instead of locking himself away and being afraid that people won't accept him. Kind of reminds me of the hunchback from that one Courage the Cowardly Dog episode. So what's wrong with that?

[Weedanort 8,787]

How? Is it because Quasimodo decided to leave Nortre Dame? The message was that he gained the courage to be able to go out into the outside world and find new friends instead of locking himself away and being afraid that people won't accept him. Kind of reminds me of the hunchback from that one Courage the Cowardly Dog episode. So what's wrong with that?

 

Ok, maybe I should have phrased that better

 

They butchered Frollo's character.

 

There, that's better