Note:Just because some people won't get it.What I'm saying here is mostly a subjective opinion...it's not something you're forced to accept or agree with

 

 

This has been something bugging me about the Kingdom Hearts series and it's fanbase in general and the latest thread by our friend Flaming Lea has drove the point to home for me

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/87655-something-that-bothers-me/

 

Why are we so afraid of calling out the bullshit when we see it?What's wrong with voicing your concerns about the series when you find them whether they're plot related or gameplay related

 

me and other people here have been constantly...and I mean CONSTANTLY....bombarded with people that call us  haters even if we voiced the tiniest of concerns regarding the series and it's the reason I stopped talking about Kingdom Hearts for a while here cuz this fanbase doesn't accept a middle ground it's always:If you're not with me then you're against me

 

 

Sure I love the series myself but people shouldn't deny that the way the series was handled  ever since the handheld entries was questionable at best and sometimes outright dumb at worst and KH x(chi) brought this issue right to home for me as I can't stand all the unnecessary bullshit this game has that somehow are canon and very crucial to KH3.

 

There are so many retcons and inconsistences within the series coupled with time travel that the series almost became absolutely unaccessible for newcomers....which is a franchise killer especially when the subject is RPGs

 

I cannot count for the life of me the many times where I was trying to explain the events of the series in a comprehensible manner before they give up half-way through and say: "f*** it this is ridiculous why do I have to go through all of this to even get a simplence of understanding for what the heck is even going on" and the unwelcoming fanbase doesn't help with that either because like I said above most of the fanbase have this mentality of:If you're not with me then you're against me

 

 

 some people can get way over the top with their defense as if I insulted a family member.....some times on other places it got so bad to the point of actual harassment

 

ProJared on youtube lost so many subs just because he said he doesn't like Kingdom Hearts....and Matt from YoVideoGames recieved death threats literally because he played the BBS demo in E3 2010 with one hand and won,he didn't say anything not even commentary or something baiting in the title yet he was bombarded with angry emails and death threats.THAT IS NOT HOW YOU PRESENT THE SERIES TO OTHER GAMERS PEOPLE!

 

In fact by doing this you're literally turning people away from it leading the series to appealing to only the niche part of the most die-hard blind-loyalists which won't help neither the fans nor the series in the long run

 

If one wants his favorite series to grow and become bigger and better they should make sure to tell the people behind it what they did wrong and what they did right.That's the feedback that's gonna make the series grow and prosper against the competition

 

When I see something like this:

 

 

Even if they're flaws I refuse to acknowledge them because I love KH and think it's perfect and those flaws makes the games more enjoyable 

 

 

I cringe to no end because if all what Nomura's gonna hear in terms of feedback is only blind-loyalists that says there is absolutely nothing wrong then he'll keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over and over again and it's gonna get much much worse and out of control.

 

 

The biggest problem with the KH fanbase specifically (and to an extent the Square Enix fanbase in general) is that they either play Kingdom Hearts and only Kingdom Hearts or play Square Enix-made RPGs and nothing else as it's mostly a safe bet for their money with most of them not caring enough to broaden their horizons and explore what other JRPGs from other companies have to offer and get only exposed to one kind of story telling and only that type of storytelling and gameplay

 

Games like the Shin Megami Tensei series,the Persona series,the (Tales Of) series,Xenoblade chronicles,The Lost Oddyssey,Skies of Arcadia,Legend of Dragoon,Fire Emblem,Golden Sun,Suikoden 2....etc heck even Square Enix's own offerings like Chrono Trigger,Secret of Mana and most of the classic Final Fantasy titles from 1 to 10(except 8) and Crisis Core FFVII and games like Bravely Default offers just as much of a fun experience,compelling story and memorable characters as Kingdom Hearts if not even better with little to no retcons and a more coherent plot.Granted that's highly subjective but experiencing other forms of storytelling,be it from a game or an animemovie,will teach you more about stuff like character growth,character development,world building,the different types and architypes for protagonists and villains.....etc heck if you don't want to invest  money at least just look up a playthrough of one of the games I mentioned on youtube and learn for yourself

 

 

 

I'm not saying that KH has no right to have a complex plot cuz it does have the right.It's just a matter of a great story that was told poorly when the series jumped into more handheld entries with stuff from Birth by Sleep and DDD that assures any newcomer to have the hardest of time getting into the series especially if you're an Xbox gamer getting KH3 for your Xbox One and was completely new to the series.

 

People also like to compare KH to Metal Gear saying that Metal Gear is just as convoluted but here is the difference:Unlike Nomura,Hideo Kojima(the creator of Metal Gear) had a beginning and an end in mind and didn't make us wait for over a decade to see the conclusion of the Solid Snake saga with MGS4:Guns of the Patriot.He wrapped up the storyline in 2008 which gave him more time to tie-up the loose ends within the Big Boss saga that takes place before it linking all those plot threads nicely,not only that but with the release of MGS4 Kojima released a free downloadable MGS app on the PS3's PS store that sums up the stories of the MSX games,MGS 1,2 and 3 before it so newcomers who got into Metal gear with MGS 4 and are going to buy games like Peace Walker and MGS 5 the Phantom Pain won't have to go out of their way to get every game in the series or get subjected to an essay-sized wikipediayoutube analysis of it....it's convoluted sure but the creator went out of his way to make sure it's accessible

 

Nomura is basically doing the opposite of that right now with KH x(chi)Unchained Blade and the way he writes the series as he seems to make up stuff on the fly whenever he writes the next game heck he admitted that in interviews when he talked about the writing for DDD as we saw with some of the retcons.

 

Bottomline:If you love Kingdom Hearts,if you truly wanna see this series  grow,prosper,become better and better,invite new people and share your love for the series with them,don't afraid to be critical.And I don't mean you should be an angry negative mob nor an obssessive loyalist....just don't be afraid of being critical and tell the developer what you like and what you don't like and what you wish to be fixed and most importantly....be a fan not a fanboy.

 

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Smash Mega Koopa

So what I'm gathering from this is that Kingdom Hearts is glitchier than Assassin's Creed Unity

You deserve the honorary medal of GTFO for this little artistic piece of a post bro

 

 

My thoughts on the little things that aren't important. Thank you for your time.

I love how everyone are trying their best to miss the point......for the last time I'm not projecting my opinion as a fact and never meant to be

 

second of all.It doesn't have to be related story-wise,what I mean is that people at least should try to experience different types of story.It doesn't have to be related to Kingdom Hearts in terms of style of story-telling.I'm not comparing here all I'm suggesting is for people to try and play something else

 

 

Why do you nitpick the little things in my posts rather than voicing your opinion on what we're actually talking about

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

Not me---I've been calling it out since 2012:

 

The main villain is way too cheap and depressing, the heroes keep firetrucking up in the long run, and the director badly needs to go to rehab for his retcon addiction.

Well I'm still quota so I can't like any posts for now but I do have to reiterate that although I feel some retcons can be very annoying and there are definitely flaws in this series I still find great enjoyment in it and that's why I'm here to begin with.

 

 

 

Also guys please be mindful of not double posting! Thx!

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

Not me---I've been calling it out since 2012:

 

The main villain is way too cheap and depressing, the heroes keep firetrucking up in the long run, and the director badly needs to go to rehab for his retcon addiction.

Well that's pretty much Master Xehanort in a nutshell

 

Honestly Xemnas is the best and most competent of the three heck he's the only one of the Xehanorts who had a plan B in case gathering the 13 darknesses would fail

Stupidity. Utter Stupidity. Here I was thinking that Kingdom Hearts had one of the most accepting of fanbases, but I guess this proves me wrong. What's so hypocritical with talking about obvious flaws in the series?? Hell, I've been a KH fan since I was 8 years old (I'm 20 now) And even I will admit that this game has a TREMENDOUS amount of things that don't quite work. And on the other hand, things that work but are unnecessary. Does this make me hate it? Naaaah....just makes me look forward to future improvements! I know people who don't like it, and people who ONCE liked it, but have since fallen out of  love....but that doesn't give them any right to be disrespected. It's their own opinion. And f*cking death threats?! REALLY??

 

Look, despite how great of a game it is...when it's all said and done, at the end of the day, Kingdom Hearts is just that- a GAME. Chill the hell out folks, and just have fun. Sheesh.

This is what happens when you turn what was meant to be a stand-alone game into a continuous series. When Nomura wrote them first game he had no idea if there would be a sequel so he had no idea of where he wanted the story to go. They idea of them story as it is now only came up around them time of KH2. It's not like say, Harry Potter where JK Rowling knew exactly what she wanted to do and how she wanted it to end before they first book was ever published. It's more like the Compilation of FVII

 

That being said, I see the flaws, they just don't bother me. Some people just can't acceaccept change I don't really chare if Ansem isn't who we thought he was 9th if Xehanort's motivation is something other than what was initially presented.

This is what happens when you turn what was meant to be a stand-alone game into a continuous series. When Nomura wrote them first game he had no idea if there would be a sequel so he had no idea of where he wanted the story to go. They idea of them story as it is now only came up around them time of KH2. It's not like say, Harry Potter where JK Rowling knew exactly what she wanted to do and how she wanted it to end before they first book was ever published. It's more like the Compilation of FVIIThat being said, I see the flaws, they just don't bother me. Some people just can't acceaccept change I don't really chare if Ansem isn't who we thought he was 9th if Xehanort's motivation is something other than what was initially presented.

 

 

I can accept change or I wouldn't be here. Doesn't mean I can't voice my displeasure over it .Just sayin'

I love how everyone are trying their best to miss the point......for the last time I'm not projecting my opinion as a fact and never meant to be

Then you might want to rethink how you word your walls of text.

 

second of all.It doesn't have to be related story-wise,what I mean is that people at least should try to experience different types of story.It doesn't have to be related to Kingdom Hearts in terms of style of story-telling.I'm not comparing here all I'm suggesting is for people to try and play something else

Okay. Thank you for clarifying.

Wait... Okay, the way you've written that makes me think that you're assuming that people don't play anything else. Again, wording.

 

Why do you nitpick the little things in my posts rather than voicing your opinion on what we're actually talking about

I didn't say anything because after reading all the other posts that came before me, I didn't really have anything to add regarding the main subject. However, the things I pointed out are supporting points in your main argument. Maybe they aren't really important things, but it shouldn't be a problem for me to talk about just a few of your points. In regards to said points, I just felt that they didn't really support your main point as well as they could have. That's all.

In my opinion, you can say that it's your opinion all you want, and I'll totally understand that, but you also have to write out your argument like it's your opinion, because, well, it is. Otherwise, it's no surprise that people will misunderstand what you're trying to say or be rubbed the wrong way. Also, getting overly defensive and arguing over the misunderstandings of other people doesn't help anyone, and it certainly doesn't support anyone's argument or opinion. In the end, I can't tell you how to write your posts and how to do other things, but I can tell things how I see them. And if I'm just blatantly wrong about what I'm seeing, I'd be more than happy if someone could correct me.

In my opinion, you can say that it's your opinion all you want, and I'll totally understand that, but you also have to write out your argument like it's your opinion, because, well, it is. Otherwise, it's no surprise that people will misunderstand what you're trying to say or be rubbed the wrong way. Also, getting overly defensive and arguing over the misunderstandings of other people doesn't help anyone, and it certainly doesn't support anyone's argument or opinion. In the end, I can't tell you how to write your posts and how to do other things, but I can tell things how I see them. And if I'm just blatantly wrong about what I'm seeing, I'd be more than happy if someone could correct me.

You're the one getting overly defensive and avoiding the main argument.I did put a disclaimer above stating that what I'm writing is purely subjective and not factual 

 

If so please tell me what you think of the topic at hand.....or is it impossible to say a critique about KH?

Are people honestly under the impression it's hard to criticize KH?

Literally half my posts are explaining how parts of it suck

You're the one getting overly defensive and avoiding the main argument.I did put a disclaimer above stating that what I'm writing is purely subjective and not factual 

 

If so please tell me what you think of the topic at hand.....or is it impossible to say a critique about KH?

... Okay, maybe I was a bit defensive, but you're not giving me much of a choice. "Why do you nitpick the little things in my posts rather than voicing your opinion on what we're actually talking about"? "or is it impossible to say a critique about KH"? That sounds pretty negative to me, so of course I'm going to defend.

And as for the main topic, I wasn't avoiding it or anything but whatever. I don't see any problems with pointing out the flaws in the series. People do it all the time. As for me, I didn't start playing from the beginning. I didn't play things in order. Heck, I didn't even think that some things were problems until I either played more games or until people pointed them out. But hey, I still enjoy the games for what they are. There are problems, but I just choose to accept them, and hope that things will be better in the end.