When he put his heart into Terra's heart, we see his body turning into balls of light slightly.

Where is that body going? Kingdom Hearts?

In stasis somewhere until DDD.

 

And yes, the Ultimania confirms that's his original body.

It prolly went to the same place as any slain nobodies go until they get reunited with their hearts. They wait in the RoD and hopefully don't end up swallowed up while they are waiting to rejoin their hearts.

Then MX's body could be reunited with it's heart if my resurrection theory is correct..Well one of them. 

Where did Eraqus' body go?

Where did Eraqus' body go?

 

For all we know the same place lmao. Seriously,  even though he's supposed to be dead I wouldn't be surprised. It's never been discussed bc we really don't have a lot of info on Eraqus' situation except where his heart went and bc "Nomura" he could also possibly be brought back since his heart sought refuse in Terra.

Seems to be the KH Way of Dying. Sora did it in KH1, MX did it in BBS and so did Eraqus.

 

Granted, Sora's body went on to become Roxas, Xehanort's became Xemnas and Eraqus's Heart seems to be within Terra, god knows where his body is, but it all links somewhat.

 

Then again, Even, Ienzo and Aeleus(?) were collapsed upon the ground fading in and out of existence with Wisps of Darkness emanating from them, along with Braig being straight up murdered and his Heart releasing.....

 

....there's a lot of ways to die in Kingdom Hearts.

It just sort of vanished. He didn't die through the traditional sense of loosing your heart, so he didn't form a Nobody. That being said, his body probably faded into Darkness or where ever it is that Nobodies go when they die, like what Flaming Lea said. It could probably apply to Eraqus too, since his heart is also inside Terra, though to what extent remains to be seen. It could be that he is within the same space like Xehanort's heart is or it could be like how Ven's heart is sleeping within Sora's. It's not yet clear. In any case since Xehanort's heart and body was destroyed, it makes sense that he reformed into as he was before possessing Terra's body, maybe even with a few more years added to his life, who knows? However, since as Terranort he was split into a Heartless and Nobody, the traditional rules would suggest that either Terra or Terranort should be restored as well. It's just not clear whether it would be Terra as Terra returning or Terra as Terranort returning. That's likely to be one of the big reveals for KH3, determining Terra's fate and where his heart is, although I thought it was still within him considering that metaphorical conversation between he and Master Xehanort within Apprentice Terranort. Now it's like they're suggesting that Terra's heart disappeared somewhere, I'm so confused.  Well, maybe there's more to it.

Edited September 25, 201510 yr by Hero of Light XIV

It just sort of vanished. He didn't die through the traditional sense of loosing your heart, so he didn't form a Nobody. That being said, his body probably faded into Darkness or where ever it is that Nobodies go when they die, like what Flaming Lea said. It could probably apply to Eraqus too, since his heart is also inside Terra, though to what extent remains to be seen. It could be that he is within the same space like Xehanort's heart is or it could be like how Ven's heart is sleeping within Sora's. It's not yet clear. In any case since Xehanort's heart and body was destroyed, it makes sense that he reformed into as he was before possessing Terra's body, maybe even with a few more years added to his life, who knows? However, since as Terranort he was split into a Heartless and Nobody, the traditional rules would suggest that either Terra or Terranort should be restored as well. It's just not clear whether it would be Terra as Terra returning or Terra as Terranort returning. That's likely to be one of the big reveals for KH3, determining Terra's fate and where his heart is, although I thought it was still within him considering that metaphorical conversation between he and Master Xehanort within Apprentice Terranort. Now it's like they're suggesting that Terra's heart disappeared somewhere, I'm so confused.  Well, maybe there's more to it.

Well, Terra's heart was in Terranort when Terranort was still, well, Terranort. But when Terranort split into Ansem SoD and Xemnas... who knows what happened to Terra's heart. It could have been in Xemnas, or it could've floated away or something like that. You can't really figure out a likely possibility, because even if there are rules or patterns for this sort of thing, Nomura loves having exceptions to the rules, so yeah Not even the great Yen Sid has a clue.

Well, Terra's heart was in Terranort when Terranort was still, well, Terranort. But when Terranort split into Ansem SoD and Xemnas... who knows what happened to Terra's heart. It could have been in Xemnas, or it could've floated away or something like that. You can't really figure out a likely possibility, because even if there are rules or patterns for this sort of thing, Nomura loves having exceptions to the rules, so yeah Not even the great Yen Sid has a clue.

I always figured that Xemnas regrew his heart at some point and Terra's is staying inside of Ansem's (Terranort) body. Though, Xemnas should ALSO have Terra's body, so that kind of screws that up. Maybe Xemnas was brought back with time-travel and Xehanort's Heartless was brought back normally with Terra's heart still inside him while MX went and restored his original body, which was saved for a rainy day after he discarded it in BBS...or something. 

 

I dunno, I'm still confused as to who's coming back or not by the end of DDD. Is young Xehanort still in the Organization or did he return to his time? What about Xemnas and Ansem, how are they supposed to be in the Organization at the same time? Unless everybody is time-displaced and will all return to their own time once their beaten in the game.

Edited September 25, 201510 yr by Kaweebo

Well, Terra's heart was in Terranort when Terranort was still, well, Terranort. But when Terranort split into Ansem SoD and Xemnas... who knows what happened to Terra's heart. It could have been in Xemnas, or it could've floated away or something like that. You can't really figure out a likely possibility, because even if there are rules or patterns for this sort of thing, Nomura loves having exceptions to the rules, so yeah Not even the great Yen Sid has a clue.

 

Except we know for a fact that both Ansem and Xemnas are made from both Terra and MX and both shared traits of both. Confirmed by Nomura himself btw. Here's an example of what I mean but he's said this several times about both sharing traits of both characters. He also mentioned Ansem sharing traits in another interview.That interview also hints at despite those two being made of both- who was the one in power and control? We find out in DDD it was indeed MX since both Ansem and Xemnas followed MX's plans.

 

9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?

Xemnas remembering his human years. 



One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as the five other apprentices toss
 aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
 Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
 a human. But as Xemnas had two people whom he came from, Terra and Master
 Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories. The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore. The Nobody mark used by the Organization is a similar shape to the mark Terra used. Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort’s interest in the χ-Blade.

 

• In “KHI”, the robed man, Ansem the Wise’s apprentice Xehanort’s Heartless (the body of Xehanort’s Heartless before he inhabited Riku’s body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort’s homeworld?

That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra’s memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid his eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story after this one.

• Is that to say that there’s a possibility that within Xehanort’s Heartless, the darkness that sleeps in Riku’s heart, there might remain something of Terra…?

That’s also a riddle connected to the next story, so everyone please use your imagination.

I always figured that Xemnas regrew his heart at some point and Terra's is staying inside of Ansem's (Terranort) body. Though, Xemnas should ALSO have Terra's body, so that kind of screws that up. Maybe Xemnas was brought back with time-travel and Xehanort's Heartless was brought back normally with Terra's heart still inside him while MX went and restored his original body, which was saved for a rainy day after he discarded it in BBS...or something. 

 

I dunno, I'm still confused as to who's coming back or not by the end of DDD. Is young Xehanort still in the Organization or did he return to his time? What about Xemnas and Ansem, how are they supposed to be in the Organization at the same time? Unless everybody is time-displaced and will all return to their own time once their beaten in the game.

 

Both Ansem and Xemnas were brought back via TT.. YX is part of the new org and brought them along with him acting as tether, portal and anchor while they gathered together to welcome the 13th final member - Sora. The mechanics of TT were also why they chose the inbetween world TWTNW bc it's special properties allowed them to coexist with an anchor. Afterwards they all went back to their original timelines and awaited their destined time to gather again in KH3. Here's some interview help.

 

• What about Xemnas and Ansem, essentially they weren’t inside anyone, was it due to circumstances of the Sleeping Worlds?

First off, when Young Xehanort made contact with the Robed Figure–that is to say, the Xehanort who called himself Ansem–his abilities were transferred to him. As a result of Master Xehanort tossing his physical body away, he was able to transcend time, and this power was carried into the Robed Figure. Thus when Young Xehanort made contact with him, he gained this power. Possessing this power, Young Xehanort functioned as a “Portal” which summoned Xemnas and Ansem each time they appeared. That’s why Young Xehanort was there whenever they were.

 

Additionally, when Sora and Riku dropped into the Sleeping Worlds, simultaneously Young Xehanort himself goes into the worlds of sleep.

• What about Vanitas?

Vanitas is different than Xemnas and Ansem; he doesn’t necessarily have a physical form. He reacted to Ventus within Sora, so that’s how he was visible.

 

• After generating and before attacking Sora, were Xemnas and Ansem somewhere that exceeded beyond time?

That’s right.

• Were the 13 Seekers of Darkness, who were meant to be in different times, gathered by transcending time with magic?

Just as it says in the story, to transcend time one must “first” discard their body. As a result of the actions of the Robed Figure, they all were in a state where they had gained the power to transcend time. The Robed Figure explains these facts. The thirteen were summoned at the same time, this time thanks to the Young Xehanort who borrowed that power. However, apart from Young Xehanort, that does not mean that all the members left their own time.

 

• In other words, Ansem and Xemnas were simultaneously existing in the time-space of KH3D as well as their newly recompleted human form after being destroyed?

Yes, it does turn out that way. However, as I said before, The World That Never Was–where the thirteen all met–is a special space. The mechanics behind how they were all able to exist at the same time is a mystery. 

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

You know, I never actually gave thought to what happened to old man Nort's body after he transferred his heart to Terra!  Well, my two cents on the subject is that when Master Xehanort disappeared, his life force went to Kingdom Hearts, and there it remained until he could be able to be brought back to life!

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by The Transcendent Key

Perhaps a special type of purgatory that hasn't been revealed

Except we know for a fact that both Ansem and Xemnas are made from both Terra and MX and both shared traits of both. Confirmed by Nomura himself btw. Here's an example of what I mean but he's said this several times about both sharing traits of both characters. He also mentioned Ansem sharing traits in another interview.That interview also hints at despite those two being made of both- who was the one in power and control? We find out in DDD it was indeed MX since both Ansem and Xemnas followed MX's plans.

 

9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?

Xemnas remembering his human years. 



One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as the five other apprentices toss
 aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
 Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
 a human. But as Xemnas had two people whom he came from, Terra and Master
 Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories. The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore. The Nobody mark used by the Organization is a similar shape to the mark Terra used. Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort’s interest in the χ-Blade.

 

• In “KHI”, the robed man, Ansem the Wise’s apprentice Xehanort’s Heartless (the body of Xehanort’s Heartless before he inhabited Riku’s body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort’s homeworld?

That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra’s memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid his eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story after this one.

• Is that to say that there’s a possibility that within Xehanort’s Heartless, the darkness that sleeps in Riku’s heart, there might remain something of Terra…?

That’s also a riddle connected to the next story, so everyone please use your imagination.

 

Both Ansem and Xemnas were brought back via TT.. YX is part of the new org and brought them along with him acting as tether, portal and anchor while they gathered together to welcome the 13th final member - Sora. The mechanics of TT were also why they chose the inbetween world TWTNW bc it's special properties allowed them to coexist with an anchor. Afterwards they all went back to their original timelines and awaited their destined time to gather again in KH3. Here's some interview help.

 

• What about Xemnas and Ansem, essentially they weren’t inside anyone, was it due to circumstances of the Sleeping Worlds?

First off, when Young Xehanort made contact with the Robed Figure–that is to say, the Xehanort who called himself Ansem–his abilities were transferred to him. As a result of Master Xehanort tossing his physical body away, he was able to transcend time, and this power was carried into the Robed Figure. Thus when Young Xehanort made contact with him, he gained this power. Possessing this power, Young Xehanort functioned as a “Portal” which summoned Xemnas and Ansem each time they appeared. That’s why Young Xehanort was there whenever they were.

 

Additionally, when Sora and Riku dropped into the Sleeping Worlds, simultaneously Young Xehanort himself goes into the worlds of sleep.

• What about Vanitas?

Vanitas is different than Xemnas and Ansem; he doesn’t necessarily have a physical form. He reacted to Ventus within Sora, so that’s how he was visible.

 

• After generating and before attacking Sora, were Xemnas and Ansem somewhere that exceeded beyond time?

That’s right.

• Were the 13 Seekers of Darkness, who were meant to be in different times, gathered by transcending time with magic?

Just as it says in the story, to transcend time one must “first” discard their body. As a result of the actions of the Robed Figure, they all were in a state where they had gained the power to transcend time. The Robed Figure explains these facts. The thirteen were summoned at the same time, this time thanks to the Young Xehanort who borrowed that power. However, apart from Young Xehanort, that does not mean that all the members left their own time.

 

• In other words, Ansem and Xemnas were simultaneously existing in the time-space of KH3D as well as their newly recompleted human form after being destroyed?

Yes, it does turn out that way. However, as I said before, The World That Never Was–where the thirteen all met–is a special space. The mechanics behind how they were all able to exist at the same time is a mystery. 

 

 

WHOOOOOOOOOHHHHH, MY HEAD IS SPINNING!!!

 

Man, the way they said all that stuff is really confusing. I'm sure I could follow it if they spoke in even simpler layman's terms. X.x""  :wacko: 

 

Still, something in there just struck me. From the way Nomura worded it, it sounds like he's saying that it was MASTER Xehanort that gave up his body to gain the ability to time travel. The whole time I thought it was because Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) had given up his physical form as a result of becoming a Heartless and as a result gained time travel powers. But if I'm interpreting this right, then that would mean that as soon as Xehanort gave up his body to place his heart inside Terra, that would mean that from that point on he had the power to time travel this WHOLE TIME!!! O0O 

 

If that's so, then it must have been laying away locked up somewhere deep within Terranort since he didn't have access to his memories or his powers while he was an apprentice, but he probably regained it with the rest of his Keybearer abilities when he "regained" all his memories. So either that meant that the ability to time travel became passed down from Terranort to Ansem exclusively, or it got passed down to both Ansem and Xemnas, but Ansem is the only one who openly uses it at some point. Man, this totally changes things if that's the case, and it does kind of give MX's body disappearing at least some purpose other than being used rubbish. Although that still begs the question of where it went so that his heart could reunite with it to recomplete him again in the future. Maybe it's like what you said with it going where Nobodies go when they disappear? I don't know. Still, this at least clarifies some things, and as confusing as time travel has made this series, I still love and welcome it, because the head-scratching nature of this series is one of the things I love most about it!   

WHOOOOOOOOOHHHHH, MY HEAD IS SPINNING!!!

 

Man, the way they said all that stuff is really confusing. I'm sure I could follow it if they spoke in even simpler layman's terms. X.x""  :wacko: 

 

Still, something in there just struck me. From the way Nomura worded it, it sounds like he's saying that it was MASTER Xehanort that gave up his body to gain the ability to time travel. The whole time I thought it was because Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) had given up his physical form as a result of becoming a Heartless and as a result gained time travel powers. But if I'm interpreting this right, then that would mean that as soon as Xehanort gave up his body to place his heart inside Terra, that would mean that from that point on he had the power to time travel this WHOLE TIME!!! O0O 

 

If that's so, then it must have been laying away locked up somewhere deep within Terranort since he didn't have access to his memories or his powers while he was an apprentice, but he probably regained it with the rest of his Keybearer abilities when he "regained" all his memories. So either that meant that the ability to time travel became passed down from Terranort to Ansem exclusively, or it got passed down to both Ansem and Xemnas, but Ansem is the only one who openly uses it at some point. Man, this totally changes things if that's the case, and it does kind of give MX's body disappearing at least some purpose other than being used rubbish. Although that still begs the question of where it went so that his heart could reunite with it to recomplete him again in the future. Maybe it's like what you said with it going where Nobodies go when they disappear? I don't know. Still, this at least clarifies some things, and as confusing as time travel has made this series, I still love and welcome it, because the head-scratching nature of this series is one of the things I love most about it!   

 

No I think you are completely taking that the wrong way. It has been explained many times the hooded ansem was the one who learned to TT then TT back to give it to his younger self. Nomura in his interviews refers back to Xemnas and Ansem as "xehanort"  throughout the series many many times.("the Xehanort who called himself Ansem–") ". I know I've read them all Master Xehanort did not form a heartless to even TT until he was AX( he refers to AX as just Xehahort many times too in interviews). His heart never fell to darkness and instead went into Terra. Same reason Kairi never formed a nobody until Namine even though her heart sought refuge in Sora in the beginning of KH1. It wasn't until Sora released it much later she did. Same reason why Ven did not form a nobody every time his heart sought refuge..The factor being a heartless needs created with the nobody.....The only thing kinda up in the air is a nobody after MX transferred his heart and since there was no heartless I doubt there was and even nomura implies doubt about its existence.

 

• In “KHI” when Sora thrusts the “Keyblade of Hearts” into himself to release his and Kairi’s hearts, Sora’s Heartless and Nobody were born. When Master Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort stab themselves with the Keyblade, were his and Terra’s Nobodies not created?

That is not yet clear. However I will say that the lingering spirit that remained just after Master Xehanort stabbed himself with the Keyblade was not a Heartless.

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

No I think you are completely taking that the wrong way. It has been explained many times the hooded ansem was the one who learned to TT then TT back to give it to his younger self. Nomura in his interviews refers back to Xemnas and Ansem as "xehanort"  throughout the series many many times.("the Xehanort who called himself Ansem–") ". I know I've read them all Master Xehanort did not form a heartless to even TT until he was AX( he refers to AX as just Xehahort many times too in interviews). His heart never fell to darkness and instead went into Terra. Same reason Kairi never formed a nobody until Namine even though her heart sought refuge in Sora in the beginning of KH1. It wasn't until Sora released it much later she did. Same reason why Ven did not form a nobody every time his heart sought refuge..The factor being a heartless needs created with the nobody.....The only thing kinda up in the air is a nobody after MX transferred his heart and since there was no heartless I doubt there was and even nomura implies doubt about its existence.

 

• In “KHI” when Sora thrusts the “Keyblade of Hearts” into himself to release his and Kairi’s hearts, Sora’s Heartless and Nobody were born. When Master Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort stab themselves with the Keyblade, were his and Terra’s Nobodies not created?

That is not yet clear. However I will say that the lingering spirit that remained just after Master Xehanort stabbed himself with the Keyblade was not a Heartless.

Well so much for that epiphany. My brain hurts. I don't know what's real anymore. 

 

I love it tho. 

Well so much for that epiphany. My brain hurts. I don't know what's real anymore. 

 

I love it tho. 

 

Discussing theories are super fun though I love it too!

Discussing theories are super fun though I love it too!

These mind numbing discussions are usually brought up on threads made by meeeee