Explaining the Confusing Timeline of Kingdom Hearts

[hatok 6,413]

 

it is very hard to understand

 

[2 quid is good 2,209]

Thank you for clearing up that utter mess

[LightKeyDarkBlade 72]

The timeline of the Kingdom Hearts series has never been confusing.

 

Everglow has a project now covering the whole timeline if you are really confused.

[SoraDaxjer28 264]

If you took the time to play through all the games -- and did some research on the KH Wikias out there (comparing and contrasting information along the way) -- it is not so perplexing at all.

If anything, it is still MUCH easier to comprehend than some of the "'Final Fantasy'" video games.

Of course, I am a Digital Storyteller.  Someone who is not might look at it completely different.

 

 

If you need someone to blame for it, I highly recommend doing what Prince Noctis says,

 

[Qrow 86]

I never actually understood why people think the KH series is so confusing... It's basically 10 games covering up a whole arc, just like an anime, series, movies... you just can't jump in the middle of it and think you'll be able to understand it. It just makes me mad when people bash on the series because of this...
Anyways, it's a really good video. Simple and straight to the point. It might help some people that don't understand the ties between characters.
For me, right now, the most confusing points are 0.2 and Terra/Naminé scene from the Orchestra and Time Travel (I understand its rules but the end game for me is really confusing and doesn't make scene at all).

[Movies798 1,362]

Sora and Roxas are not Ventus.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

This was a funny video though, because he was explaining so many things at once that it was for the purpose of reiterating his point about the serires being confusing. I also laughed at the part where he called Xion "What's her face?" because of the joke there.

 

But seriously though, once you get into the games and take time to play through them all, you'll find that the story and the plot points aren't really all that confusing. It's just one big saga that delves into different characters and different points in time!

 

 

I never actually understood why people think the KH series is so confusing... It's basically 10 games covering up a whole arc, just like an anime, series, movies... you just can't jump in the middle of it and think you'll be able to understand it. It just makes me mad when people bash on the series because of this...

 

Like you stated, this whole video game series has been like one big anime! And it's actually lasted as long as a big shounen anime lasts, so it resembles an anime even more so!

 

But yes, there are some things that keep us confused, but it's things that have been left up in the air for us to solve. But pretty much everything else is understandable, ya know?

[Dio Brando 5,810]

 

it is very hard to understand

My problem with the KH timeline isn't that it's hard to understand cuz I do understand it................(I hope?)

 

The problem is that even when you understand it you only find out how overly convoluted and a lot of the times stupid it can be.

 

Retcons all over the place,time travel,magical book that can predict the future,Xehanort's lofty motivation for reigniting the Keyblade War again,the dumb reason that caused the first Keyblade war to happen with the  tools that are the foretellers and finally all the stuff with Ventus being a union leader and alive hundreds of years before BBS.

 

 

And people think the Metal Gear and Zelda timelines are confusing

[LightKeyDarkBlade 72]

My problem with the KH timeline isn't that it's hard to understand cuz I do understand it................(I hope?)

 

The problem is that even when you understand it you only find out how overly convoluted and a lot of the times stupid it can be.

 

Retcons all over the place,time travel,magical book that can predict the future,Xehanort's lofty motivation for reigniting the Keyblade War again,the dumb reason that caused the first Keyblade war to happen with the  tools that are the foretellers and finally all the stuff with Ventus being a union leader and alive hundreds of years before BBS.

 

 

And people think the Metal Gear and Zelda timelines are confusing

 

From what you said, you seem to not really understand it after all.

 

I don't think there are any retcons other than the big revelation in KHDDD. Nonetheless, retcons are common in a fiction with a huge universe. Look at Marvel Comics or DC Comics. The bigger the story and universe, the more retcons it can have. Time travel is also a common tool in fiction. I don't see how people complain about time travel in some other fictions. It's not the magical book that predicts the future. It's the Master of Masters who actually saw the future and wrote it down into the Book of Prophecies. Xehanort wants Kingdom Hearts. If you had actually paid attention to what he says and what he wrote in his reports, you would've known that. The foretellers gaining distrust between each other (possibly intended by the Master) and leading to the Keyblade War; how is it stupid? The case for Ventus is still a mystery so we should have nothing to say about that. His past was previously unrevealed so I don't see why it's not possible that he's from the era of the fairy tales and how Xehanort actually tried to use him and only him for some reason.

 

I'm tired of people saying the term "overly convoluted" for Kingdom Hearts when it's not. That term is way overused as if people are just following the trend of what people say.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

From what you said, you seem to not really understand it after all.

 

I don't think there are any retcons other than the big revelation in KHDDD. Nonetheless, retcons are common in a fiction with a huge universe. Look at Marvel Comics or DC Comics. The bigger the story and universe, the more retcons it can have. Time travel is also a common tool in fiction. I don't see how people complain about time travel in some other fictions. It's not the magical book that predicts the future. It's the Master of Masters who actually saw the future and wrote it down into the Book of Prophecies. Xehanort wants Kingdom Hearts. If you had actually paid attention to what he says and what he wrote in his reports, you would've known that. The foretellers gaining distrust between each other (possibly intended by the Master) and leading to the Keyblade War; how is it stupid? The case for Ventus is still a mystery so we should have nothing to say about that. His past was previously unrevealed so I don't see why it's not possible that he's from the era of the fairy tales and how Xehanort actually tried to use him and only him for some reason.

 

I'm tired of people saying the term "overly convoluted" for Kingdom Hearts when it's not. That term is way overused as if people are just following the trend of what people say.

Sheesh dude it's just an opinion

 

And I do understand the plot,that doesn't mean I HAVE to like it

 

I know the Master of Masters wrote it since he had the gazing eye which later he'd put in xehanort's keyblade

 

The Foretellers were so obsessed with their master they couldn't even see how obvious it is that he was setting them against each other so they rathered risking the lives of many young keyblade wielders in a futile war instead of daring to question their master.

 

Time travel introduces so many plot holes,one of which is that.....how can Old xehanort co-exist with Ansem SoD even tho he's his heartless that houses his own heart whom he used to travel through time and it also begs the question of why would Xehanort keep his old body when he has the better heartless one?Heck that's half of his plan in BBS....to get a new body.The vacant spot in the organization could've been filled with another Xehanort clone rather than keeping a body that won't help him in the slightest for the upcoming war.

 

And my problem with the retcons is that it devalues a lot of our progress from the previous games.The fact that their explanation for why NONE of the nobodies knew they can grow their hearts back is the dumb explanation of "Xemnas lied" which is dumb cuz they clearly....CLEARLY are capable of feeling emotion like Vexen's fear of death when Axel killed him,the fact that Roxas and Axel felt emotions almost the whole firetrucking time.I would've bought the excuse of "they simulate emotions they remember" if DDD didn't flat out come and say "All nobodies have hearts and they can grow them back"

 

Then there is Xehanort's whole "IT WAS ALL PART OF MY PLAN" nonsense

 

 

So you mean to tell me that Ansem SoD's plan to build a Kingdom Hearts of his own through the hearts of the worlds and Xemnas's plan to make a Kingdom Hearts from the hearts of the people THEN sink the universe into Nothingness(which could've absolutely botched all of Xehanort's planning) was aaaaaall part of the plan?And that their failure and demise was also part of the plan too?

 

Not only it is stupid,but it's so counterintuitive as hell for Xehanort's scheme and devalues so much of the progress Sora and his friends made

 

For starters if Xehanort knew all along that the true method of forming the X-Blade is to have 7 lights and 13 darknesses clash with each other?Then why did he even bother splitting Ventus's heart into two halfs when it would just produce a sham of an X-blade?Don't tell me he was running out of time since part of this plan was to get a new body through Terra which he should've done from the start instead of bothering with Ven and then luring Aqua in to the Keyblade Graveyard which only served to make more enemies to thwart his plan.

 

He could've easily located Organization XIII as Ansem SoD the moment he got all seven princesses of heart since they are the aforementioned 7 lights he needs for his plan,proceeded with the Xehanort cloning protocol once Young Xehanort arrives instead of doing this whole nonsense with the heart of all worlds KH and the heart of all people KH they made?

 

The fact that there are so many workarounds for this heaping mess of a plot crashes all the suspension of disbelief which is something any good fictional story needs to attain in order to stop the person from questioning every single thing.There is a reason Metal Gear worked for so long(up until MGS5 shat on everything).

 

It makes the progress we made with Sora and Co a bit pointless if all it served was to further Xehanort's plan even further,not to mention that Mickey could've and should've told them about Terra,Aqua and Ven from the get-go instead of just keeping it to himself until it's too late,that would've saved them so much hassle.

 

It's a very similar problem to that of Final Fantasy XIII in which the first 20 hours of that game was completely and utterly pointless because Barthandelus just came in and said firetruck it I'll tell you guys your Focus to become Ragnarok,kill orphan which would destroy Cocoon when he could've EASILY told them from the get go when they turned into L'cie instead of the vaguest of visions that anyone can give their chosen warriors.

 

 

I've been with KH for more than a decade now so don't act like as if I know nothing about it.

 

Just because I understand a plot doesn't mean I have to like it

 

It's all just an opinion and I'm allowed to either agree or disagree,I don't have to abide by every statement that comes my direction

Edited June 9, 2018 by Dio Brando

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This was a funny video though, because he was explaining so many things at once that it was for the purpose of reiterating his point about the serires being confusing. I also laughed at the part where he called Xion "What's her face?" because of the joke there.

 

But seriously though, once you get into the games and take time to play through them all, you'll find that the story and the plot points aren't really all that confusing. It's just one big saga that delves into different characters and different points in time!

 

 

 

Like you stated, this whole video game series has been like one big anime! And it's actually lasted as long as a big shounen anime lasts, so it resembles an anime even more so!

 

But yes, there are some things that keep us confused, but it's things that have been left up in the air for us to solve. But pretty much everything else is understandable, ya know?

Exactly!! Itt's not a series you can just jump in and skip 3-4 games and hope to understand everything. Lots of game series are the same (Metal Gear, Mass Effect...), why KH takes all the "hate".

Right now my only problem with the series is time travel (not the time travel itself, but how it works). Like, if all the Xehanorts went back to their own time and live what they're supposed to live, then how the hell members like Ansem, Xemnas... can come back on KH3 if they're supposed to be defeated??

It's small stuff like these that make me made lol

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Exactly!! Itt's not a series you can just jump in and skip 3-4 games and hope to understand everything. Lots of game series are the same (Metal Gear, Mass Effect...), why KH takes all the "hate".

Right now my only problem with the series is time travel (not the time travel itself, but how it works). Like, if all the Xehanorts went back to their own time and live what they're supposed to live, then how the hell members like Ansem, Xemnas... can come back on KH3 if they're supposed to be defeated??

It's small stuff like these that make me made lol

 

Indeed, to appreciate the full extent of the story and get a full grasp on the Xehanort Saga thus far, all games are required, as all of them are pieces of the story that fit together to form the bigger picture, ya know? People who still refer to the non-numbered titles as spin-offs have it all wrong! They aren't spin-offs because they deal with the Xehanort Saga, and the events that happen in those games affect what happens in the rest of the series, ya know? A spin-off would be more along the lines of a Theathrythm or a fighting game!

 

And well, I can see why that'd be an issue for you, but my guess is that maybe they are drawn out of time just before they are defeated, if that makes sense? Or maybe, there's parallel universes where those versions of Xehanort still exist or something! I'm hoping we get our answers in Kingdom Hearts III!