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But I think it does make it feel lesser

Mario is an amalgamation of different elements, you can say that a Mario game doesn't feel Mario-like if it lacks some of them but it doesn't make the game not be a Mario game

I think a great example of this is probably sonic labyrinth

I've never played any Mario game so this has no meaning to me

and sonic, now, actually

I don't know what the firetruck Noleen is trying to get across

that sentence apply to literally everything

...yes

Sonic labyrinth is a game where Sonic gets slowed down and has to aim himself to go anywhere

Your point?

Ah, i get it now

Sonic games need to be built around speed

it doesn't help

without that speed element, the game loses what makes it a sonic game

Pls no analogies

We're all confusing each other

It was not meant to help anything

Mario and Sonic are the worst things to use as an example as both of them have so many different genres for their own game with no genuine story to follow at all

not true

I said what I said as a counterpoint to what Ama said.

sonic games have themes

and formulas

I mean story following from game to game

> with no genuine story to follow at all

This hurts me a lot because its true in recent years

these formulas should always tie back into the themes

sonic is about going fast but you actually can't do it first playthrough