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How can Terra do it, when Xehanort was the one who did it

Maleficent just made him believe he did it

Aqua had orders to follow Terra and see what he was doing and observe. She did not find anything bad at all, hell in the Castle of Dreams she was straight up relieved he was doing well and that was the last world he visited. She didn't hear anything bad in Dwarf Woodlands either, and then in Enchanted Dominion she heard that Terra did something bad but she didn't believe it and even told Ven not to. Right after that she is in Radiant Garden and suddenly mistrusts Terra on everything thinking he did bad shit in all the worlds.

Terra on the other hand never did a bad thing in any of the worlds. He was lead to believe he stole Aurora's heart by Maleficent, but turned out to be Xehanort who stole her heart which he straight up confirmed in Radiant Garden. In Dwarf Woodlands he listened to the Evil Queen on checking out the princess but he was never going to harm her, just look into it. Snow White got scared because the unversed suddenly appeared and she thought Terra did because he was a stranger. Terra went right away back to the Evil Queen to get answers. In Castle of Dreams, he straight up was helping Cinderella all the way throughout her story, never did anything bad.

Point is, Terra never did anything bad, except mistrust Maleficent to get mind controlled into believing he took Aurora's heart.

Hey did you guys wished Bret Iwan a Happy Birthday?

@Otti#8624 finally giving Terra the defense he deserves

Someone has to

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Honestly, everyone shits on him for no reason

Like I get the whole controlling thing, but in that case everyone should be shitting on ven for his actions

13 hours ago, Otti#8624 said:

What are you talking about

How can Terra do it, when Xehanort was the one who did it

Maleficent just made him believe he did it

Aqua had orders to follow Terra and see what he was doing and observe. She did not find anything bad at all, hell in the Castle of Dreams she was straight up relieved he was doing well and that was the last world he visited. She didn't hear anything bad in Dwarf Woodlands either, and then in Enchanted Dominion she heard that Terra did something bad but she didn't believe it and even told Ven not to. Right after that she is in Radiant Garden and suddenly mistrusts Terra on everything thinking he did bad shit in all the worlds.

Terra on the other hand never did a bad thing in any of the worlds. He was lead to believe he stole Aurora's heart by Maleficent, but turned out to be Xehanort who stole her heart which he straight up confirmed in Radiant Garden. In Dwarf Woodlands he listened to the Evil Queen on checking out the princess but he was never going to harm her, just look into it. Snow White got scared because the unversed suddenly appeared and she thought Terra did because he was a stranger. Terra went right away back to the Evil Queen to get answers. In Castle of Dreams, he straight up was helping Cinderella all the way throughout her story, never did anything bad.

Point is, Terra never did anything bad, except mistrust Maleficent to get mind controlled into believing he took Aurora's heart.

Xehanort is a master manipulator, he plays many characters like a fiddle. He even played Eraqus, who knew Xehanort was dodgy. He played on Terra's insecurities, his desire to be recognised and gave him a lifeline for his internal conflict with the darkness within him. Terra doesn't take the villains at their word, he investigates their claims and comes to the conclusion they're up to no good. Ventus and Aqua are just as naive as he is, but they come across the heroes first or see the villains doing villain things. Terra is the one to realise he's gone down the wrong path and wants to atone, but Aqua acts all high and mighty by reminding him of his failures. His whole arc in the second ring of Disney worlds is rejecting darkness and recognising he needs the friends he's been pushing back. Aqua is the one who keeps making things worse between the three of them, proving a spanner in the works who ends up benefiting Xehanort. In Radiant Garden she pushes Terra away and insists Ven go home, once more separating the trio until the fateful clash in the Keyblade Graveyard. She believes Maleficent over her trust in the young man she's grown up training alongside.

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that's a really good analysis, didn't really think of aqua's journey too much but that shows a fault of hers i never realized ?

completely forgot about this

that's super weird

1 hour ago, OrpheusJoshua said:

that's a really good analysis, didn't really think of aqua's journey too much but that shows a fault of hers i never realized ?

The Land of Departure must have been a really toxic place to grow up. Only three, eventually four people there, making Terra, Aqua and Ventus more friends by circumstance rather than coming together as friends by their own volition. It really shows that as soon as they go out into the worlds the connection they have and the relationships between them end up tearing their bond apart. Terra's desire for validation drives him further into where Xehanort wants him, Ven's determined but very naive innocence make him willful and lacking in common sense, and Aqua's pride makes her unable to unify the other two with her. At the end of her Radiant Garden story she's still treating Ven like a wayward child, telling him to go home when anyone who's so much as looked after a child knows he's going to do no such thing. They all needed therapy, and to actually communicate with each other what was wrong with them. Ven even takes his dream for becoming a Keyblade Master because that's that Aqua and Terra are already working towards.

Aqua does go through a lot of self-reflection in 0.2 though, better living up to her title as Keyblade Master.

Compare with the Twilight Trio. Axel approaches Roxas with that becomes their clock tower ice cream tradition, and Roxas in turn invites Xion. They choose to do this and when one of them is in trouble another will watch out or actively try to help them. Roxas and Xion regularly made detours through Destiny Islands to collect shells for each other when the other was in a coma. When things are going wrong Axel's motivations are to keep the three of them together despite the toll it takes on the trust Roxas has in him. When Axel is on his Castle Oblivion mission Roxas is often shown as being concerned, especially when word gets back about everyone sent there being dead.

DDD's only second visit was Traverse town

Kh1 had Traverse town and HB second visits. But KH2 is the only game to have disney second visits

Yes

Well days was broken up into missions so that gets a little more complicated

Essentially kh2 established something that was cool but was not completely recieved well

Yeah pretty much

Also likely was more effort to do

Cuz who remembers any of the second visit bosses

I do.....

I thought some of the second visits are better than the first

Mulans world I liked more on revisit

I was thinking in more of the context of the heartless bosses

Luxord being in pirates world was cool

The only revisit I never cared for besides it’s final boss was pride lands

Also the inconsistency between heartless bosses and disney/org fights are weird

Well yeah but tbh it made sense after 2 members died the org would not risk fighting Sora head on

Yeah I get the org fights but the disney fights were all over the place

Like for some reason they decided to put jenie jafar as the second visit boss and not the first

I mean it made Pete have some more moments

So it made me happy

Fair enough

Wait, did Olympus have a heartless boss