http://ds.ign.com/articles/121/1219540p1.html

There are three major things that are wrong with this article. 1) The title is just overly provocative. Only and idiot wouldn't be able to see how much hate he would get for that kind of title. 2) We have been to Kingdom Hearts. The whole final battle of KHII took place there... 3) He called them spin-offs and insulted Roxas...

 

The guy has some valid points, and he did defend them well (I still don't necessarily agree with all of them, though). That Disney is too restrictive is true (did anyone honestly enjoy KHII Atlantica to the extent that you want to see it again, did anyone enjoy it to any extent?). Multi-console release for KHIII (and had remakes of the PS2 titles, if you don't mind my adding) would be amazing. A normal name for KHIII is pretty much a given, though I do side with him that they shouldn't give it a fancy name. Plus, he praised the gameplay through-out the article.

 

That said, he just presented his opinion in such an antagonistic way, that I can't respect him. The title was pure troll bait, and is only going to cause a flame war between fans, fanboys, and haters.

 

By the way, I don't think that videogames should be played for its story, That's why they are video-games. It's like trying to play hide and seek with some plot. Some videogames have nice stories, but they could end up being an interactvie movie rather than a videogames

 

I disagree wholeheartedly. With very few exceptions, I am entirely motivated to play a game for its story. No story = no buy. My exceptions are as follows: Fighters, Puzzle games, and "mini-games". Kingdom Hearts is really the only game I continue to play long after I beat the story, simply because they are fun. Pokemon sometimes too.

Some one tell me were I might be able to find the author so I can go to their house and beat the stuf... er I mean give them a stern taclking to!

I was just about to make a thread about this .. this shit pissed me off quite a bit, from the very first paragraph i was preparing for a fight lol .. thank god a majority of the people who commented disagreed.

C'mon guys, this is utterly ridiculous of some of you! I disagree with this as much as anyone else here does, but Jack DeVries (one of my favorite writers at IGN) is making well argued points of his own opinion. He doesn't hate this series, he obviously likes enough to be concerned about what he sees to be faults. Yes, I disagree, and I love Kingdom Hearts for much of the very story he criticizes, and I've felt very connected to many characters he names as two-dimensional or boring. That doesn't make him a "butthurt fanboy", it doesn't mean he's "paid off", it means he's got an opinion about a series he obviously has experience with, one different than yours or mine, but one that is rather well supported and deserving of respect. So can we begin to discuss how we disagree with his points instead of striking out viciously at him and the site he writes for. Don't succumb to very ignorance and narrow-mindedness you so easily ascribe to him and IGN.

 

Let me begin; I disagree with his examination of Roxas and Ventus. Roxas was a very different character from Sora and showed off a more personal and less openly heroic side to a protagonist. His quiet and thoughtful care was something that contrasted brilliantly with Sora's sometimes over-zealousness to create a character that I was thrilled to be able to play as, and his friendship with Axel was a spectacular look at character development and human connections that I think were the very best in the series. Ventus I think showed a bit more of an outward personality, but also held onto a lot of the inward, thoughtful traits of Roxas, a combination of Sora and Roxas that developed in an amazing way alongside Aqua and Terra.

It's threads like these that make me glad I'm not involved in this fandom anymore. It's an article about someone's opinion. Get over it.

This person made valid points. In fact, most of those points can easily be found on this site. He complimented everything that most people find good about KH, and found the story to be a complicated mess. It IS a complicated mess. The the ualityof the story is mediocre. This isn't Bioware we're dealing with.

And stop and think about it, there are only three characters in KH: Sora, Kairi, and Xehanort. Everybody else is a variation of them.

Part of being a fan is understanding what you're a fan of. Just blindly ignoring any flaws doesn't make you a fan. It makes you something lesser than that.

 

This guy didn't know what he was talking about. It's Pride LANDS not pride ROCK. Toy Story was gonna be in KH2, but it was taken out due to time constraints, they went to Kingdom Hearts in KH2, and the fact that the story is SO complex is one of the best parts of Kingdom Hearts as a series. He had one good point: CUT IT OUT WITH THE FIRETRUCKING SORA CLONES! 4 Sora's is enough!

 

No, they just found Buzz and Woody models. We don't know why it doesn't appear, but all it really implied was they might be summons

Then, may I ask why do you want KH3? If KH2 had a real ending, then, why to make KH3? There's no storyline to follow.

 

Because games came out later, and suddenly the plot got more complicated. The series could have ended with KH2 with a few changes.

If anyone cares, I just looked up the IGN editor that I like, and his name is Richard George. I've been reading his Metal Gear Solid 3D review, and while I can't comment on his views of the game becuase I've never played a Metal Gear game before, his writing style is excellent and well balanced. He is also doing the majority of coverage for KH3D (he had some very good things to say about the game when trying out the demo during TGS), and I really do hope he reviews the game. Jack DeVries, on the other hand, is a lousy editor who doesn't know how write without whining about things.

 

It would be nice if he got a few things straight. As was pointed out earlier, we've been to the Pride LANDS, and the entire final beattle sequence took place inside Kingdom Hearts. Hell, the final battle in KH1 was just outside the door! And the Secret Episode in BbSFM took place in the Realm of Darkness... right behind the door!!!!

 

It's pretty clear that he just swooped in, chose some things that he wanted to pick at. and loaded his gun. Sure, he pointed out some of the good features (the combat system, etc), but that's really only because otherwis eth earticle would have gone beyond a flame; it would've been a bonfire!

 

Sorry, Jack DeVries, but I'm afraid I need to put an arrow in your knee.

 

It would be nice if he got a few things straight. As was pointed out earlier, we've been to the Pride LANDS, and the entire final beattle sequence took place inside Kingdom Hearts. Hell, the final battle in KH1 was just outside the door! And the Secret Episode in BbSFM took place in the Realm of Darkness... right behind the door!!!!

 

It's pretty clear that he just swooped in, chose some things that he wanted to pick at. and loaded his gun. Sure, he pointed out some of the good features (the combat system, etc), but that's really only because otherwis eth earticle would have gone beyond a flame; it would've been a bonfire!

 

Sorry, Jack DeVries, but I'm afraid I need to put an arrow in your knee.

 

And give him a good helping of FUS RO DAH

 

And give him a good helping of FUS RO DAH

 

Agreed.

Like so many people before me have said, he has some valid points, but overall I think he just got confused by a small bit of KH and then got annoyed at his own confusion. He has an opinion so here is mine: I wanna punch this guy in the face.

It's threads like these that make me glad I'm not involved in this fandom anymore. It's an article about someone's opinion. Get over it.

 

If those overreacting are at one extreme, then this I would consider the other. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that should be respected. However, there are good ways to state opinions, and bad ways. Writing an article and titling it "Kingdom Hearts Sucks" is the wrong way to do it, even if the contents of the article are fine and dandy. Taking that same article, and naming "Kingdom Hearts, How to fix it" would be a good way to express opinion. The fact is that if you say something sucks, you are going to anger someone who likes whatever the heck it is. Just pulling a random thing from your "About Me" page, how would you like it if I wrote an article titled "Persona Sucks"? I might make some good points, but by saying that something you like sucks, I automatically bias you against me.

 

Basically whats happening here is as follows:

Extreme fans are calling for this guy to be lynched because he insulted their favorite series. Normal fans are respecting that it is his opinion, saying that there is something they can understand and find agreeable, but expressing dislike of his blatant troll-bait title. Haters are yelling about how the series is terrible and blah, blah, blah all the usual. The people whose only interest in the series seems to be whining for KHIII are doing just that. Then there are those (who can fit into any of these categories, except extreme-fan or fanboy if you prefer) getting all worked up and overreacting due to the overreactions of others. Yeah, its just an opinion, and yeah lots of people are overreacting. But I'll let you in on a secret, you're not going to convince those overreacting otherwise, so all your really doing is adding to the complaints.

 

Oh, and this wasn't targeted to you in particular DemyxLovesCookies, your post was just the closest one from the quick reply box.

 

If those overreacting are at one extreme, then this I would consider the other. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that should be respected. However, there are good ways to state opinions, and bad ways. Writing an article and titling it "Kingdom Hearts Sucks" is the wrong way to do it, even if the contents of the article are fine and dandy. Taking that same article, and naming "Kingdom Hearts, How to fix it" would be a good way to express opinion. The fact is that if you say something sucks, you are going to anger someone who likes whatever the heck it is. Just pulling a random thing from your "About Me" page, how would you like it if I wrote an article titled "Persona Sucks"? I might make some good points, but by saying that something you like sucks, I automatically bias you against me.

 

Basically whats happening here is as follows:

Extreme fans are calling for this guy to be lynched because he insulted their favorite series. Normal fans are respecting that it is his opinion, saying that there is something they can understand and find agreeable, but expressing dislike of his blatant troll-bait title. Haters are yelling about how the series is terrible and blah, blah, blah all the usual. The people whose only interest in the series seems to be whining for KHIII are doing just that. Then there are those (who can fit into any of these categories, except extreme-fan or fanboy if you prefer) getting all worked up and overreacting due to the overreactions of others. Yeah, its just an opinion, and yeah lots of people are overreacting. But I'll let you in on a secret, you're not going to convince those overreacting otherwise, so all your really doing is adding to the complaints.

 

Oh, and this wasn't targeted to you in particular DemyxLovesCookies, your post was just the closest one from the quick reply box.

 

I'll admit that my post was a bit too blunt, and I did overreact, so I apologize.

 

The title of an article doesn't change its contents. If you wrote an article entitled "Persona Sucks", and it's content made sense and brought up some fair points, I wouldn't mind the title at all, even if it was blatant flame-bait. YMMV, though.

WHO WROTE THAT TRASH!!!!! NEVER INSULT A GREAT GAME LIKE KH JUST BECAUSE YOUR NOT SMART ENOUGH To UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE STORY!!!......phew ok done venting

it's an opinion, get over it.

I'll admit that my post was a bit too blunt, and I did overreact, so I apologize.

 

The title of an article doesn't change its contents. If you wrote an article entitled "Persona Sucks", and it's content made sense and brought up some fair points, I wouldn't mind the title at all, even if it was blatant flame-bait. YMMV, though.

 

No need to apologize. I am just getting a bit annoyed that people are using "its just an opinion, get over it" as a way to say that this is okay.

BY JOVE! Someone has an opinion that's different than yours! Call the police! Declare martial law! Take bikini bottom and push it somewhere else!

 

STFU

 

In all honesty though I think that Kingdom Hearts overall is a rather poor game series. The games ARE getting better which is the only reason why I'm still here. Now adays the only time I play the early Kingdom Hearts games is because many parts are laughably bad.

 

BBS was a significant improvement and I think KH3D will fare better.

 

Note: Holy shit the fanboys are strong in the comments.

IDC, just thought it woud be a good topic to discuss.

I think the article has a few good points,for example its really hard to buy all these consoles for only a kh game that you like and some of the kh fans who have the money to buy lots of stuff tend to look down on the others saying that a true kh fan has to buy all the kh games and all the consoles,i dont think that a fan is measured by the power of his wallet and yet with each new game we receive the message from Square Enix that you have to buy this game because its important to the overal storyline,you cant miss this game even if it is on a different console that you possibly cant afford or dont want to buy ,i know the games are great ,i love them all but can we focus on one console like kh1,2 were on the ps2?This is just my humble opinion nothing more

I think the article has a few good points,for example its really hard to buy all these consoles for only a kh game that you like and some of the kh fans who have the money to buy lots of stuff tend to look down on the others saying that a true kh fan has to buy all the kh games and all the consoles,i dont think that a fan is measured by the power of his wallet and yet with each new game we receive the message from Square Enix that you have to buy this game because its important to the overal storyline,you cant miss this game even if it is on a different console that you possibly cant afford or dont want to buy ,i know the games are great ,i love them all but can we focus on one console like kh1,2 were on the ps2?This is just my humble opinion nothing more

This is the greatest run-on sentence I have ever seen

This is the greatest run-on sentence I have ever seen

 

thanks lol but i wanted to say that about the multiple consoles,its just not fair for people who are poor and like kh games

Hello, people, expressing my opinion for this article, and I might as well get this point out there before I get started: To the people who are saying "Oh, it's his opinion, don't freak out." : Just because somebody else has an opinion does NOT mean I can't express MY opinion. Any objections? (don't you dare send me a Ace Attorney objection being a smartass) Thought not. Well, here's my actual argument against this guy:

 

The storyline in Kingdom Hearts is not bad, when you compare it to so many other games, in which there is little to no storyline, for example Black Ops or Halo. Yes, I said it. Halo, compared to Kingdom Hearts,storyline-wise, sucks. Halo's storyline is often repetitive and predictable. Kingdom Hearts (minus certain filler games) is always bringing in something new. As I recall, IGN has always given good ratings to Halo (correct me if I'm wrong, people). What the writer of this article must realize is this IS a Disney+Square Enix game. The storyline is going to contain characteristics from each.

 

Also, another point to be made is that this is a whole new type of game: Two different companies coming together to make a game. Both companies are still working out the kinks in making the games (i.e.: what they can and can't do). This is going to cause some problems. Despite all this, the games have widely succeeded. Why, you ask? It's because people actually like the way game plays out and the storyline; so much actually, this game is a BESTSELLER and Kingdom Hearts I and II's endings managed to make it up to the laters Guiness Book of World Records: Gamer's Edition. Apparently, gamers like this game, surprisingly. Not to mention that it made #19 in the list of Best Games of All Time in the Guiness Book of World Records: Gamer's Edition 2010. Wow, that's right after Square's Final Fantasy, their biggest series. I wonder why.

 

This is a direct response to this particularly irritating comment: "It's like Twilight for boys." Do I need to explain to you that this fanbase is dominated by fanGIRLS? The fangirls are infamous across several sites, but I digress. How is Kingdom Hearts in ANY way like Twilight? I happen to be a fan to both and have arduously read/played both series. Answer this question, with a reasonable response, and I'll take this back.

 

I was also appalled by the comment about KHII: "Kingdom Hearts II, while a messy, unnecessarily complex game, managed to wrap up a lot of the loose ends by way of killing all the characters who were lame." Que? What is this? Obviously, the writer watched the walkthroughs rather than play. KHII was the first game I played out of the series and I got the plot just fine, along with several of my friends who also got the plot. The characters in this game were awesome. Well-explained enough to arouse interest, but with a lot of mystery left behind to leave the gamer wondering what their story is.

 

However, I do agree with the writer on several points: Jungle Book would have been kickass, I still believe they're holding out Pixar for KHIII, stop with the multi-consoles already, Robin Hood=Epic. Kingdom Hearts could do with some improvement, but it's only small when you put it against other massively failing games out there: remember, this whole game series could have failed epicly when it first started and, so far, has had only minor parts. So, please, back off a little and give Square and Disney some credit. This is still a work in progress.

He has good points, a few I dont give 2 shits about like the platform extension thing. I mean if you cant afford it then you cant afford it stop complaining about it and earn your money to buy it.

 

Another thing I did not agree with was "Pick a Normal name"

What in the world has that have to do with anything. Who cares what the name of the game is. Like they said "Dont judge the book by its cover" lets apply this to hear. "Dont judge the game by its title" What do you want Kingdom Hearts 5? Kingdom Hearts 7? Id like the title Birth by sleep better than a number if you ask me. Also even though DDD title was a little weird for me and I was not hating on it, I got used to it, and I was going to buy it anyways because I care of the game not title.

 

The "Simplify" Section:

 

This made me laugh "managed to wrap up a lot of the loose ends by way of killing all the characters who were lame"

 

 

They were not lame to me trust me. Maybe to you, but lame is definatlly not the correct word

 

The other thing is his Billion Sora's. I get it there are too many sora's. But there is like Roxas, Xion and Namine. That is it. That is not really a lot at all. Ventus and Vanitas are a whole, they just live in Sora, but they are not part of him at all. Like literally not by friendship or heart links as I like to call.

 

What got me pissed was relating this to that "book and movie" you call "Twilight".

 

This isn't really like Twilight at all, because Twilight is about love and a 500 year old Vampire going out with like a 13-15 year old girl and a Werewolf who is a rapist. And she gets pregnant.

 

You see no rape, not love, only friendship love, and no pedo-ness love drama going on. (Xehanort maybe a pedo but that was not his intentions)

 

The story is complex, and I do undertand it though. But it being complex is not a bad thing. It may be confusing at times but its not the end of the world that you have to go and say its sucks. You got a misleading title Mr.Hater. And different characters personality and your relating this to Twilight with the main character having no emotion?

 

(Ps: The Twilight I was talking about is the Movie. The books are alright ( I guess))

 

 

I disagree wholeheartedly. With very few exceptions, I am entirely motivated to play a game for its story. No story = no buy. My exceptions are as follows: Fighters, Puzzle games, and "mini-games". Kingdom Hearts is really the only game I continue to play long after I beat the story, simply because they are fun. Pokemon sometimes too.

 

Well, I also look for some good story, otherwise, it would be pretty boring not to have a reason to continue playing, that's why I don't like fighting game that much. However, some of the plots in videogames are, for me, to cheesy.

Well, I also look for some good story, otherwise, it would be pretty boring not to have a reason to continue playing, that's why I don't like fighting game that much. However, some of the plots in videogames are, for me, to cheesy.

 

Yeah, some do have chessy plots, I agree. But I've found that cheesy plots can be fun sometimes. Not always, but sometimes.

 

Hello, people, expressing my opinion for this article, and I might as well get this point out there before I get started: To the people who are saying "Oh, it's his opinion, don't freak out." : Just because somebody else has an opinion does NOT mean I can't express MY opinion. Any objections? (don't you dare send me a Ace Attorney objection being a smartass) Thought not. Well, here's my actual argument against this guy:

 

You bring up an excellent point. Almost anything could be excused by "its just an opinion, get over it".

"Kingdom Hearts sucks, but here's why it doesn't have too." - Opinion

"[in reply to above] You're an idiot." - Opinion

"All religions are wrong and anyone who belongs to one is stupid." - Opinion

 

How about we take a school shooting that just recently happened in my area? Three kids died, and the kid that shot them believed they deserved to. IN HIS OPINION they deserved to die. You really want to say "It's just an opinion, get over it?" No you don't, because those kids didn't deserve to die. Because what he did was wrong. Perhaps you are saying this is a bit too extreme to even be comparable? Not the point. Just because something is an opinion, doesn't mean that we have to accept it or "get over it". At its very foundation, saying "its just an opinion, get over it" is flawed. N

 

Now, I am not one of the people who is overreacting to this (as you can see from my first post in this thread), as the guy did make some good points. Maybe I am overreacting a bit in my argument that the excuse "its just an opinion, get over it" is crap. You are telling people to get over someone's opinion, but their overreaction is their opinion. Don't like that? Its just an opinion, get over it. Don't like what I am saying? Its just an opinion, get over it. Really, we shouldn't care about anything, and sites like this one (at least the forum part) wouldn't exist, because everything is an opinion and we should just get over it.

How about we take a school shooting that just recently happened in my area? Three kids died, and the kid that shot them believed they deserved to. IN HIS OPINION they deserved to die. You really want to say "It's just an opinion, get over it?" No you don't, because those kids didn't deserve to die. Because what he did was wrong. Perhaps you are saying this is a bit too extreme to even be comparable? Not the point. Just because something is an opinion, doesn't mean that we have to accept it or "get over it". At its very foundation, saying "its just an opinion, get over it" is flawed. N

 

This is my last post in this thread I swear.

 

Apples and oranges, bro. HARMLESS opinions and expressing your opinions in a HARMLESS way (i.e. the article) = okay. Expressing your opinion in a HARMFUL way (i.e. shooting someone) = not okay. Yes, they are too extreme to be comparable. Saying "It's just an opinion, get over it" is not flawed from the get-go; it's the context that determines how appropriate it is.