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Been thinking this since KH2...

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You know, Final Fantasy characters were A LOT more influent in Kingdom Hearts, the very first one. In Chain of Memories and Re:coded there wasn't big changes, since there were the same worlds and their respective characters, they were still of little imporatance.

And then came KH2. Yes, they brought Auron and some folks for Twilight Town, but Leon and his gang (now with Cloud added) lost their importance on the main storyline almost completely. Hollow Bastion with them. We stayed more time on Space Paranoids than on the Hollow Bastion. And Disney won one more battle.

In 358/2 we had none at all, but the moogles...

Birth by Sleep had only Zack, not really of big imporatnce.

And now in KH3D, we had no FF whatsoever, only saved by the moogles again. I think Tetsuya has been removing their imporance since KH2, and made them have small roles on the worlds they were in.

 

Do you guys agree with what I said? And do you think (like I do) that Leon and the others should be more imporant again?(At least on Hollow Bastion, because in KH2 Space Paranoids really stole the scene.) And their return should be on KH3, or does the Xehanort Saga should be on focus? (This last question I have my doubts, because I want a good ending for the saga that would really focus in KH more than Disney or anything, but also want some FF charatcers...)

So what do you think?

 

(This topic is really about the series in general, I didn't find a good place to post it, so I posted it here. Let me know if there's any sort of problems, because that'll help with next threads)

Edited by AntonioKHT

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Well I want final fantasy characters.. But definetely different ones. It would be nice to see Leon and cloud again but we also need someone new. It's all up to Nomura though...

I don't think he's trying to get rid of them. Probably just save them for the consoles. I feel like squall and everyone had a pretty big role in KHII. Why dont you think so?

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I don't think he's trying to get rid of them. Probably just save them for the consoles. I feel like squall and everyone had a pretty big role in KHII. Why dont you think so?

 

Even though we had the 1000 heartless battle, that was pretty much their role. The first visit was like "Hi. Look a bunch of Heartless. Organization XIII? Bye!" The third and last one was on Space Paranoids, there wasn't any bosses on Radiant Garden and we just walked till we got to Ansem's computer.

 

In KH1 Leon, Cid, Yuffie and Aerith helped us get to pretty much everywhere, even Hollow Bastion, that was the second most imporant, or even MOST IMPORATNT WORLD of the game.

 

I think they should give more importance to the FF in the worlds their on. But in KH3 they shouldn't lose focus on ending the saga.

I think they should add some new ff characters,but I don't think they should be more important to the storyline...

Even though we had the 1000 heartless battle, that was pretty much their role. The first visit was like "Hi. Look a bunch of Heartless. Organization XIII? Bye!" The third and last one was on Space Paranoids, there wasn't any bosses on Radiant Garden and we just walked till we got to Ansem's computer.

 

In KH1 Leon, Cid, Yuffie and Aerith helped us get to pretty much everywhere, even Hollow Bastion, that was the second most imporant, or even MOST IMPORATNT WORLD of the game.

 

I think they should give more importance to the FF in the worlds their on. But in KH3 they shouldn't lose focus on ending the saga.

 

True. But it's not like they were completely absent. And that part where they all team up with you was the most awesome thing ever!

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I think they should add some new ff characters,but I don't think they should be more important to the storyline...

 

(For me) not in KH3. But for next titles maybe. And give them some space in their own world. Hollow Bastion was once big, but lost importance in KH2.

 

 

True. But it's not like they were completely absent. And that part where they all team up with you was the most awesome thing ever!

 

Yes... Yes it was ...Pure awesomeness!

Final Fantasy never really was the focus. Hollow Bastion has way more events than Space Paranoids, and the FF group itself wasn't really important to KH1's plot, not only could they have been filled by any other character, but they only serve as guide posts for Sora, doing very little on their own.

I like how you say 'Another victory for Disney' like there's some sort of conspiracy.

KH is NOT a a Final Fantasy/Disney crossover, unlike what you might hear. It's a Disney game with Square Enix ideals. The FF characters are cameos, and there will always be, and always should be, nothing more

I wanna see Caius Ballad from FF13-2 come in and kick sum a$$ because Xehanort is messing with time travel, thus killing Yeul, and maybe Caius would blame it on Sora somehow.... that's what I'd like to see in KH3.

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Final Fantasy never really was the focus. Hollow Bastion has way more events than Space Paranoids, and the FF group itself wasn't really important to KH1's plot, not only could they have been filled by any other character, but they only serve as guide posts for Sora, doing very little on their own.

I like how you say 'Another victory for Disney' like there's some sort of conspiracy.

KH is NOT a a Final Fantasy/Disney crossover, unlike what you might hear. It's a Disney game with Square Enix ideals. The FF characters are cameos, and there will always be, and always should be, nothing more

 

I never said or thought that KH was a FF and Disney crossover, otherwise I wouldn't follow the serie at all, it would be a little patethic.

What I want is that they have at least a proper world, which didn't happen in KH2 at all. The only proper visit was the 2nd like I mentioned before.

I never really thought about that could be easily replaced and it's true really. But I wouldn't want that NEVER. FF is one great aspect of KH, and I already miss it, don't you? But the series itself can maintain itself, so I woudn't stop playing KH because they stop putting FF charatcers, I just miss them.

 

And yeah, Disney always wanted atention to itself. It's really a conspiracy xD

 

 

 

What I want is some FFXII characters like Vaan or Ashe, I really liked that game (probablky because it resembles KH the most)

I never said or thought that KH was a FF and Disney crossover, otherwise I wouldn't follow the serie at all, it would be a little patethic.

What I want is that they have at least a proper world, which didn't happen in KH2 at all. The only proper visit was the 2nd like I mentioned before.

I never really thought about that could be easily replaced and it's true really. But I wouldn't want that NEVER. FF is one great aspect of KH, and I already miss it, don't you? But the series itself can maintain itself, so I woudn't stop playing KH because they stop putting FF charatcers, I just miss them.

 

And yeah, Disney always wanted atention to itself. It's really a conspiracy xD

 

 

What I want is some FFXII characters like Vaan or Ashe, I really liked that game (probablky because it resembles KH the most)

 

Raidiant Garden is fine in KH2. Don't know what you're thinking

What I want is some FFXII characters like Vaan or Ashe, I really liked that game (probablky because it resembles KH the most)

 

No to this...just...no.

Since I never really played FF (I only have FFX-2) I never really cared for the FF that much apart I found it interesting seeing their cameos and being like "THEY'RE FROM FF(Number)!" noticing stuff. (Yay go me.)

 

I think maybe at the start, when KH1 was released they included by FF character sin order to get more people interested in the game since FF had already developed quite a fan-base. However now KH has it's own fanbase and doesn't need a load of FF characters to make it interesting.

 

However, I want Zack back in the next game (even though he died in FF), he has to go on a date with Aqua ):

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No to this...just...no.

 

Well, Ashe would awful now that I think of it. But I still like FFXII, it's a awesome game (at least for me). Vaan wouldn't be so bad he really resembles Sora in so ways, you know he's like, actions first, thinking plans straight later xD

But that depends on what games people like. I'm sure everyone has a weird with for what they want to see in KH next titles

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But that depends on what games people like. I'm sure everyone has a weird with for what they want to see in KH next titles

 

I LOVED TWEWY in KH, and it was not a FF game, it did was Square Enix.

 

And I think it is true that FF is losing importance, but that's not a victory for Disney. They have lost a lot of importance too. They barely are a part of the plot now, in KH1 they sure were.

You know, Final Fantasy characters were A LOT more influent in Kingdom Hearts, the very first one. In Chain of Memories and Re:coded there wasn't big changes, since there were the same worlds and their respective characters, they were still of little imporatance.

And then came KH2. Yes, they brought Auron and some folks for Twilight Town, but Leon and his gang (now with Cloud added) lost their importance on the main storyline almost completely. Hollow Bastion with them. We stayed more time on Space Paranoids than on the Hollow Bastion. And Disney won one more battle.

In 358/2 we had none at all, but the moogles...

Birth by Sleep had only Zack, not really of big imporatnce.

And now in KH3D, we had no FF whatsoever, only saved by the moogles again. I think Tetsuya has been removing their imporance since KH2, and made them have small roles on the worlds they were in.

 

Do you guys agree with what I said? And do you think (like I do) that Leon and the others should be more imporant again?(At least on Hollow Bastion, because in KH2 Space Paranoids really stole the scene.) And their return should be on KH3, or does the Xehanort Saga should be on focus? (This last question I have my doubts, because I want a good ending for the saga that would really focus in KH more than Disney or anything, but also want some FF charatcers...)

So what do you think?

 

(This topic is really about the series in general, I didn't find a good place to post it, so I posted it here. Let me know if there's any sort of problems, because that'll help with next threads)

 

Sigh thats awesome first off thinkin it so importantly I LOVE TWEWY its awesome better then most ffs after 9 really and I want four and six then Ill give a shit

I want Zack back in the next game (even though he died in FF), he has to go on a date with Aqua ):

 

Maybe Zack found someone else during Aqua's absence.

Maybe Zack found someone else during Aqua's absence.

 

That is so sad..):

I guess, we will see Leon (...), Cloud and co again because some of them has an untold story. I'm looking at you, Sephi!

Naw, they need a smaller role. They aren't main characters. There's a larger cast of original characters in KHIII than there was in KH. They don't need to be major characters anymore.

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Sigh thats really cool first off thinkin it so importantly I LOVE TWEWY its awesome better then most ffs after 9 really and I want four and six then Ill give a shit

 

When you learn how to type, you can call anything really cool and give a decent post...

When you learn how to type, you can call anything really cool and give a decent post...

 

I dont care? seriously dude its the internet opinions it doesnt matter and final fantasy characters after eight are overrated and are cash cows

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It makes sense that they're so important in KH, they are the closest thing Sora has to experienced people on the matter of world transport, Keyblades, Ansem, Maleficent, etc.

In CoM they didn't have any major role, but that was how all the worlds were set up.

KHII they didn't have much to contribute that Sora didn't already know, and when the new enemies is a group they know nothing about there's not a lot to expect from them. Their main contribution is helping Sora find information about Apprentice Xehanort an SoD.

I think we'll continue to get little cameos like Zack and Auron, but Radiant Garden is less of a big deal now that BBS has explained what happened there, and the only way they'll be able to contribute is if we focus on the experiments that were done.

Personally I like separating from FF, it means they're becoming less influential to the plot and KH can stand on its own as a series.

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I dont care? seriously dude its the internet opinions it doesnt matter and final fantasy characters after eight are overrated and are cash cows

 

Now i understood what you said. i have nothing against your opinion if that's what you got from what I posted. i just didn't understand anything from before

Well, Kingdom Hearts 3D did feature names at least. When you view the names that come up on the link portals, there are names of Final Fantasy characters.

 

I suppose that they should have a few Final Fantasy characters in, even if they would only have a minor role. I bet there will be some new Final characters to come into the new Kingdom Hearts 3 game, once they finish their other project.

BBS was suppose to have cloud and some of the other FF character backstories according to Nomura as the game would have too much stuff or something like that.

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