Something I don't understand about Isa's appearance when he is a nobody, so when we see him as a nobody Siax he has this X across his face but in BBS when he is Isa he doesn't he also has it in DDD I'm just wondering if its the recussant sigil forgive me if I'm just being stupid haha!

it is the recussant sigil

Yep it sure is the recusant sigil. His just happens to be really obvious

I kinda forgot if the one who appears in KH3D is Isa or Saix. 

Well, if he's Isa (I think he is, Axel calls him that and they supposedly all are Somebodies again), then he got that mark sometime between BbS and becoming a Nobody, and he probably got that while he was being part of Xehanort's experiments, thought nothing's confirmed. And Saix just got that from his original persona. 

And though it's also not known, but we can say it is a Recusant Sigil, that lets them know where he is. Nothing of this is confirmed though

Let's see...he is a Xehanort, he and Lea (not you Flaming Lea) did plan on leaving the organization. The question is: when did he get it? Before planning or after?

The scar most likely occurred just before he became a nobody, maybe in a fight where he was trying to defend himself or he might have willingly let himself be cut to show his loyalty to MX before he fell to the darkness, as said it's a  recusant sigil which means that MX is able to track him wherever he goes.

 

EDIT: KingdomHearts3 just reminded me that Saix had planned to leave at one point, so his scar would have given MX a way of tracking him and turning him into a nort.

Edited April 10, 201312 yr by Caity Raindrop

Let's see...he is a Xehanort, he and Lea (not you Flaming Lea) did plan on leaving the organization. The question is: when did he get it? Before planning or after?

I never knew Siax was planning on leaving the Organisation I knew Axel was I thought Xemnas trusted Siax and that Siax was high up in power in the Organisation ?

The scar most likely occurred just before he became a nobody, maybe in a fight where he was trying to defend himself or he might have willingly let himself be cut to show his loyalty to MX before he fell to the darkness, as said it's a  recusant sigil which means that MX is able to track him wherever he goes.

 

EDIT: KingdomHearts3 just reminded me that Saix had planned to leave at one point, so his scar would have given MX a way of tracking him and turning him into a nort.

I agree. That could be it.

Let's see...he is a Xehanort, he and Lea (not you Flaming Lea) did plan on leaving the organization. The question is: when did he get it? Before planning or after?

 

Well because he was planning to rebel, most likely he didn't even know it was a recusant sigil or that he was implanted .Afterall, hes always had the gold eyes and pointed ears even in days  but he didnt as Isa in BBS which means hes been a 'nort' all that time.

I never knew Siax was planning on leaving the Organisation I knew Axel was I thought Xemnas trusted Siax and that Siax was high up in power in the Organisation ?

 Have you played Days ? LOL

I never knew Siax was planning on leaving the Organisation I knew Axel was I thought Xemnas trusted Siax and that Siax was high up in power in the Organisation ?

 

Saix and Axel were planning to overthrow the Organization together but when Axel met Roxas and Xion his priorities changed. Part of the plan was for Saix to get close to Xemnas so that he would trust him. Worked a little too well. 

Well because he was planning to rebel, most likely he didn't even know it was a recusant sigil or that he was implanted .Afterall, hes always had the gold eyes and pointed ears even in days  but he didnt as Isa in BBS which means hes been a 'nort' all that time.

 Have you played Days ? LOL

I've played Days (my first game that I ever played) and I did not know the significance of the gold eyes and pointed ears until KH3D where I put everything together.

Well because he was planning to rebel, most likely he didn't even know it was a recusant sigil or that he was implanted .Afterall, hes always had the gold eyes and pointed ears even in days but he didnt as Isa in BBS which means hes been a 'nort' all that time. Have you played Days ? LOL

Nope I got it from a friend a few days ago and played up to day 10 or something just haven't had time to play it lol

I've played Days (my first game that I ever played) and I did not know the significance of the gold eyes and pointed ears until KH3D where I put everything together.

I was asking that to KINGDOMxHEARTSz.( since they didn't know about axel and Saix's plan to rebel)

 

 

But yeah Saix had the ears and eyes even then and he was working to rebel with Axel so i doubt he knew anything about being a 'Nort. He was most likely involuntarily norted.

Nope I got it from a friend a few days ago and played up to day 10 or something just haven't had time to play it lol

 

Well when you play it you will learn they were rebelling and why and read the secret reports too

I was asking that to KINGDOMxHEARTSz.( since they didn't know about axel and Saix's plan to rebel)

 

 

But yeah Saix had the ears and eyes even then and he was working to rebel with Axel so i doubt he knew anything about being a 'Nort. He was most likely involuntarily norted.

 

 

 

Well when you play it you will learn they were rebelling and why and read the secret reports too

Will do thanks!! Will really need to play it now!!

I was asking that to KINGDOMxHEARTSz.( since they didn't know about axel and Saix's plan to rebel)

 

 

But yeah Saix had the ears and eyes even then and he was working to rebel with Axel so i doubt he knew anything about being a 'Nort. He was most likely involuntarily norted.

 

Well when you play it you will learn they were rebelling and why and read the secret reports too

Oh ok. Sorry. It will be interesting to see how Lea (once again, not you) will save Isa.

Oh ok. Sorry. It will be interesting to see how Lea (once again, not you) will save Isa.

 

Yep! That and i expect a dramatic showdown between the two in KH3 ....

Yep! That and i expect a dramatic showdown between the two in KH3 ....

You know, if he never really wanted to be loyal to Xehanort, then that means he wanted Sora to defeat Xemnas and wants the seven lights to defeat Master Xehanort and free him.

You know, if he never really wanted to be loyal to Xehanort, then that means he wanted Sora to defeat Xemnas and wants the seven lights to defeat Master Xehanort and free him.

 

Well I think he really wanted  his heart back- thats why he was rebelling in the first place. Axel and Saix thought Xemnas was up to something and didn't trust him ...but after Axel and Saix split ways he had no choice but to at least see if he still might even though he admitted now that their plan to rebel was done he prolly wasn't ever gonna get his heart back ( he stated this in Days ) 

 

Also one of the reasons I think their friendship broke was that the more and more Saix was becoming a 'nort , the more he changed and their friendship changed till it collasped.. They both accuse each other of changing - but we know that Saix literally DID change. Once someone is norted and they begin to lose themselves its like eventually they will have no free will when MX can easily possess his vessels and other selves like he did in DDD

Well I think he really wanted  his heart back- thats why he was rebelling in the first place. Axel and Saix thought Xemnas was up to something and didn't trust him ...but after Axel and Saix split ways he had no choice but to at least see if he still might even though he admitted now that their plan to rebel was done he prolly wasn't ever gonna get his heart back ( he stated this in Days ) 

 

Also one of the reasons I think their friendship broke was that the more and more Saix was becoming a 'nort , the more he changed and their friendship changed till it collasped.. They both accuse each other of changing - but we know that Saix literally DID change. Once someone is norted and they begin to lose themselves its like eventually they will have no free will when MX can easily possess his vessels and other selves like he did in DDD

Oh yeah. I agree. One becomes subject to Xehanort's will once a piece of Xehanort's heart is within him. I could imagine that he wants his heart back. Lea did not change much compared to Saix who radically changed.

Something I don't understand about Isa's appearance when he is a nobody, so when we see him as a nobody Siax he has this X across his face but in BBS when he is Isa he doesn't he also has it in DDD I'm just wondering if its the recussant sigil forgive me if I'm just being stupid haha!

Maybe it's just his "nobody sign" Axel got his heart back, but Isa would still need to be a nobody in order to get Xehanorts heart right,. that would explain why the mark was still there in 3D​

It makes for a bit of fridge horror. In DDD, we learn that the X is basically a tracking mechanism... so that means that someone, or Saix himself, CARVED A FUKCING X INTO HIS GOD DAMN FOREHEAD so as to allow himself to be tracked. And that is so... brutal... but yeah, it happened when he joined the Org.

Maybe it's just his "nobody sign" Axel got his heart back, but Isa would still need to be a nobody in order to get Xehanorts heart right,. that would explain why the mark was still there in 3D​

 

Braig got implanted as a human so no you don't necessarily need to be a nobody, its just more convenient to have them as nobodies bc he needed them to throw away their own identities so he could successfully implant them and take over without them possibly knowing. If that X was a recusant sigil it would also still be there as a reformed human as well.

People forget that Nobodies, regardless of the name, are the bodies. They are the shell of who they used to be. And since they are a body, they do things bodies tend to do... grow, their hair changes length or style, because they changed the length or style, and... scar. And since they are the shell of who they used to be, when they get their heart back, that's not going to change. They were scarred as a nobody, but regardless of that, it was still their body that became scarred.

Though, originally Nomura assured people that nobodies don't age.

LOL  I never noticed that. I'll pay more attention next time! Yeah I don't know.