we have to step up and tell the people to give us limited edition artbook for kingdom hearts 2.5 like how do they give to mis match cases thats like if someone buys a shoe and you give them one shoe one boot tf? and what really got me was that pin that gave 90% of us wont even use -_-

no matter what's the reason, no matter how much we disagree with their choices, no matter how bs this sounds to us, NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE WANT BETTER PRE ORDER BONUSES, NO MATTER HOW UNFAIR THIS LOOKS LIKE

 

its a bit late to complain, no? just hope for a better bonus for next time. 

 

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While they may not change the limited edition for 2.5 hopefully we got the point across so they don't make this mistake for 3

I know, you said the right word: "now". HD Collections were pretty much "last minute" like Kingdom Hearts 3D, and I think they decided to make remasters not only to allow fans to catch up with the series, but also because it became a popular usage among VG developers (not to mention all the money they earned). If they never decided to make these HD remasters, non-Japanese countries wouldn't ever had the chance to play the complete version of the original games. It would be fine if they always had in mind to eventually release Final Mixes worldwide, but this is just a case and we were lucky. (well I played the Final Mixes anyway and way before they thought to make HD remasters, but as I said it's the act that bothers me)

I've said this once about #SquareBeFair, and I'll say it again. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PIN!!! #SquareBeFair is about fans that are tried of being discriminated because they don't live in Japan. We want to have the same options that Japanese fans have! We want to have the same options to pay extra for the collectors edition! We want to have the option to not worry about finding spoilers on the internet about Kingdom Hearts 3 because the Japanese version was released a year before ours! We want to make sure we get our point across before something like this happens again for Kingdom Hearts 3. Sure a lot of you are saying "well at least we are getting the final mix games now" or "at least they're giving us something" but these thoughts are poison! Yes they're giving us the finial mixes and we're also getting a pin, but the fact still stands that they discriminated us in the first place and they are still discriminating us! And if we don't let our opinions be heard then when Kingdom Hearts 3 comes out it will be really easy for them to give us demo version of the game, and give Japan the complete, full, Kingdom Hearts 3 ultima platinum experience PS4 bundle with every single Kingdom Hearts game fully remastered and playable, and release it ten years before ours! Yes I'm taking things to extremes but I'm trying to get the point across.

Edited July 31, 201411 yr by VeNate13

For the Kingdom Hearts I Final Mix ok, you're right, but I'm quite sure the reaction was bigger regarding Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+. Actually the fandom started to complain about disequality right after this first (more substantial) protest! I know Square Enix pretty much looks mainly for profit but should this allow them to (for instance) interrupt the European shippings just because we provide them the most insignificant profit? I'm not "hating" for no reason or whatever, I just say they often treat us as if we were cockroaches, and I think no one can deny it, right?

Those from Europe, and everywhere else for that matter may feel it's unfair the way Square operates, but as an official business they need to make choices that will ensure the maximum or substantial amount of profitIf we expect them to keep making games and have the funding to do so, they need to make decisions that will best benefit the company rather than cater to every last fan- sometimes this means international releases, other times it means exclusives to certain countries. It's to be expected realistically, they're a business trying to support themselves not a charity

I've said this once about #SquareBeFair, and I'll say it again. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PIN!!! 

 

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2uokzgm.jpg (You may need to click it to read it at full size)

These are the top tweets, there's less than 10 on the top page unrelated to the preorder bonus, either being a reaction to #SquareBeFair or the one picture that was actually saying they dream of being treated equally.  I think while the intentions started out good it has to be accepted that #SquareBeFair is no longer for the intended purpose of treating fans equally and pretty much is "#SquareIWantThisFor2.5".  Similar to how Friendzone started out as a guy purposefully lead on with no chance of a relationship, but evolved over time to guys trying to get sex by putting niceness coins into female vending machines and feeling hard done by when they realize everyone at their will isn't attracted to them.  It was a waste of a hashtag, which of course would happen with social media.  It's meaning's been warped and no matter how many people say "no no it's not about the pin" there'll be 10 fresh tweets asking for something instead of the pin.

Those from Europe, and everywhere else for that matter may feel it's unfair the way Square operates, but as an official business they need to make choices that will ensure the maximum or substantial amount of profitIf we expect them to keep making games and have the funding to do so, they need to make decisions that will best benefit the company rather than cater to every last fan- sometimes this means international releases, other times it means exclusives to certain countries. It's to be expected realistically, they're a business trying to support themselves not a charity

Of course, and I never said to disagree with you about that! What I'm trying to say is that, to me, they don't even strive that much to do what's in their power to give the best they can give. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong, but then I wouldn't be so totally sure

While I'm not thrilled about the pin, am I the only one who isn't overreacting about it?

Of course, and I never said to disagree with you about that! What I'm trying to say is that, to me, they don't even strive that much to do what's in their power to give the best they can give. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong, but then I wouldn't be so totally sure

Oh well that's a personal opinion, any company could go above and beyond with their products and give more with every release, but that would be more costly per item (which adds up fast)The fact of the matter is all of the Final Mixes will finally be released internationally. Yes it took some time, but if we're giving opinions now, mine is it was well worth the wait- I don't care what comes with the game so long as I can actually get the game itselfWhat matters is the product itself, not the bells and whistles

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2uokzgm.jpg (You may need to click it to read it at full size) These are the top tweets, there's less than 10 on the top page unrelated to the preorder bonus, either being a reaction to #SquareBeFair or the one picture that was actually saying they dream of being treated equally.  I think while the intentions started out good it has to be accepted that #SquareBeFair is no longer for the intended purpose of treating fans equally and pretty much is "#SquareIWantThisFor2.5".  Similar to how Friendzone started out as a guy purposefully lead on with no chance of a relationship, but evolved over time to guys trying to get sex by putting niceness coins into female vending machines and feeling hard done by when they realize everyone at their will isn't attracted to them.  It was a waste of a hashtag, which of course would happen with social media.  It's meaning's been warped and no matter how many people say "no no it's not about the pin" there'll be 10 fresh tweets asking for something instead of the pin.

Sure a lot of them are complaining about the pin but they're complaining a lot about the pin because Japan is getting a collectors edition and we don't have that option. And we want an equally awesome collectors edition and a free pin isn't equal at all. So yeah they should complain about it because it's unfair.

Oh well that's a personal opinion, any company could go above and beyond with their products and give more with every release, but that would be more costly per item (which adds up fast)The fact of the matter is all of the Final Mixes will finally be released internationally. Yes it took some time, but if we're giving opinions now, mine is it was well worth the wait- I don't care what comes with the game so long as I can actually get the game itselfWhat matters is the product itself, not the bells and whistles

Totally right. I also think that it's the product that matters and not what comes along, I'm not even one of those in the #SquareBeFair "army", I just expressed my contrariness. Anyway, since we can't know whether they do what's in their power to satisfy all the fanbase or not, I think we should end it here since we're in a dead end

Sure a lot of them are complaining about the pin but they're complaining a lot about the pin because Japan is getting a collectors edition and we don't have that option. And we want an equally awesome collectors edition and a free pin isn't equal at all. So yeah they should complain about it because it's unfair.

 

But saying it's not about a pin is lying then since it's clearly about the pin.  Additionally people need to stop acting like a $210 Collector's edition is in anyway comparable to a $40 Limited Edition.  The NA/EU/AUS version is comparable to the Japanese stand alone 2.5 game which comes with a dynamic theme only.  A lot of people complaining want the same stuff for the same price, fans desire does not equal a sale and I'm sure a lot of people don't have that sort of money to buy a a collector's edition with a game they already own (1.5).  Japan tends to get no bonus' with the games on release and then gets good bundles with the games later plus some bonus' for a big cost, NA gets a special edition or preorder bonus with near each game and EU/AUS tends to either the same as NA, pitiful in comparison or nothing apart from the rare BBS EU only special edition.  

 

People should complain because release dates being far apart could result in the story getting spoiled, or that Chi has cannon information and the localization plans never went through, or IF a KH3FM is released and is Japan exclusive, or even saying they want 2.5 with the Art booklet and soundtrack for say what, $80?  With the option to pay another $82 for the figure since a lot of people are more cost conscious and care about the actual game (and not buying a copy of the same game they own) more than the preorder bonus.  But so much whining over a free pin they didn't have to throw in at all, the movement is pretty much dead already.  

Learn to be grateful.

Square has already mentioned that making sure the cases match up side by side is important to them.  Additionally people need to stop comparing a collector's edition that's $130 converted with an additional art figure costing $82 extra with a version that's what, around $40-$60 I assume in the US?  $210 for the JP one converted from the Japanese price vs a (let's say) $50 version in the US, of course the JP one's gonna be better.

 

Outside of FM (since we are getting them, additionally the FM editions include content that was added to NA/EU/AUS editions that weren't in the original Japanese version, like Phantom, Ice Titan and Kurt Zisa for example weren't in the original Japanese version, then a few extras added in to make it more valuable to buy)

 

NA got the DDD MoM edition, coded decals preorder bonus, a PSP bundle with artcards for BBS, a 1.5 artbook + dynamic theme

Japan got none of that.  EU/AUS only got the 1.5 artbook and just 2 AR cards with DDD.

Japan tends to get box bundles with multiple games and then a bonus thrown in for extra money, but none with the original releases.  Like the 10th Anniversary box that had days, coded and DDD, the Collector's pack of 2.5 and 1.5, KH2FM+ with Re:COM and KH2FM.  They also get some themed consoles like a Days DSi or COM Gameboy.

There's one case where EU got the better end of the stick (least with KH series) and got a BBS special edition with a hardback artbook and art cards.  

 

I think it would make more sense to complain about release dates since so many of us could be spoiled for KH3 if it comes out early in Japan, but nope.  SquareBeFair and alike are just "Dear Santa I want a keychain, a wayfinder, a full sized keyblade, 3 figures, a goat, a lock of Nomura's hair, an artbook, some posters and a chunk of KH3 profits with 2.5 LE for the same $50 price"

I agree with you, I just want a III ww release date.

But saying it's not about a pin is lying then since it's clearly about the pin.  Additionally people need to stop acting like a $210 Collector's edition is in anyway comparable to a $40 Limited Edition.  The NA/EU/AUS version is comparable to the Japanese stand alone 2.5 game which comes with a dynamic theme only.  A lot of people complaining want the same stuff for the same price, fans desire does not equal a sale and I'm sure a lot of people don't have that sort of money to buy a a collector's edition with a game they already own (1.5).  Japan tends to get no bonus' with the games on release and then gets good bundles with the games later plus some bonus' for a big cost, NA gets a special edition or preorder bonus with near each game and EU/AUS tends to either the same as NA, pitiful in comparison or nothing apart from the rare BBS EU only special edition.   People should complain because release dates being far apart could result in the story getting spoiled, or that Chi has cannon information and the localization plans never went through, or IF a KH3FM is released and is Japan exclusive, or even saying they want 2.5 with the Art booklet and soundtrack for say what, $80?  With the option to pay another $82 for the figure since a lot of people are more cost conscious and care about the actual game (and not buying a copy of the same game they own) more than the preorder bonus.  But so much whining over a free pin they didn't have to throw in at all, the movement is pretty much dead already.

It's not lying!!! #SquareBeFair can be more than about the pin and it is! A lot of fans are complaining about the pin because they are comparing our limited edition to the collectors edition (and you can compare the two because the are both the Kingdom Hearts 2.5 hd remix just different in versions, with different content, and value) and the options aren't equal. You see we aren't hating on the pin, we don't hate pins, it's just we want the same options. We want to be equal with the Japanese fans! And t the option we have to by $40 of stuff versus $200 isn't equal. Plus if you watched the X-keepers video all the through like I did, you'd know that they explained it could be used for other things. They even talked about getting a worldwide release date for Kingdom Hearts 3 of it. The reason people are focusing on the Kingdom Hearts 2.5 hd remix different editions is because it's coming out sooner. Kingdom Hearts 3 is a long way off and they haven't given us anything unfair to complain about yet.