So I think i've thought of a way to kill of Xehanort for good

[Joker 1,560]

Remember how it was said that to bring a person back you have to kill the Heartless first then the Nobody, if you kill the Nobody first then the body will fade away as it has no freed heart for it to inhabit. So what if in KH3 we kill Xehanort again and we get a new Nobody and Heartless wouldn't just killing this new Nobody first over the Heartless and poof problem solved

[Dustin Newton 60]

or they could just kill him in a way that doesnt involve him becoming a heartless. You seem to be forgetting that there are specific ways to become a heartless

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Remember how it was said that to bring a person back you have to kill the Heartless first then the Nobody, if you kill the Nobody first then the body will fade away as it has no freed heart for it to inhabit. So what if in KH3 we kill Xehanort again and we get a new Nobody and Heartless wouldn't just killing this new Nobody first over the Heartless and poof problem solved

Or just..........y'know,kill him while he's a human instead of turning him into a heartless

 

A.K.A use any weapon on him that isn't the keyblade

or they could just kill him in a way that doesnt involve him becoming a heartless. You seem to be forgetting that there are specific ways to become a heartless

Really at this point Cloud would have an easier time killing Xehanort if you think about it.

 

Omnislash the bastard to pieces

[Joker 1,560]

Really? I thought just dying was enough to make one.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Or rather, you destroy both body and heart the way Ventus did with Vanitas.

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

It'll probably be more like

"My friends are my power!!!!!!!"

Gets one shotted because there's no logical way of killing him properly. As the game gets further along he'll get more power ups that'll make him God.

There is no death in kingdom hearts.

Or just..........y'know,kill him while he's a human instead of turning him into a heartless

 

A.K.A use any weapon on him that isn't the keyblade

Really at this point Cloud would have an easier time killing Xehanort if you think about it.

 

Omnislash the bastard to pieces

Smash plz, Sora isn't cool enough to do an omnislash. He's not worthy. Edited August 23, 2016 by Shinobi Bacon and Eggs

[Dio Brando 5,810]

It'll probably be more like

"My friends are my power!!!!!!!"

Gets one shotted because there's no logical way of killing him properly. As the game gets further along he'll get more power ups that'll make him God.

There is no death in kingdom hearts.

Smash plz, Sora isn't cool enough to do an omnislash. He's not worthy.

Never said he was hence why I said Cloud would have an easier time

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Why does everyone think we have to actually kill Xehanort? This is Kingdom Hearts, for all we know we might just end up making him see the error of his ways and redeem himself at the very end, or some bigger threat comes along that he has to assist in taking down. I'm just saying that since we have seen multiple times that death isn't permanent in Kingdom Hearts, there's practically no point in trying to destroy the guy, he could just as easily come back and he probably already figured out at least 10 different ways to do so if that happens. The only way to really stop him for good is to convince him that what he's doing is a bad thing. Or something else.

 

I swear if KH3 ends with Xehanort being defeated in a way that doesn't involve outright obliterating the guy and every other fan keeps screaming "WHAT!?" over and over as if they never saw a twist like that coming, I am going to laugh my ass off, it's like no one is even considering the possibility of something else happening. X)"

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

Why does everyone think we have to actually kill Xehanort? This is Kingdom Hearts, for all we know we might just end up making him see the error of his ways and redeem himself at the very end, or some bigger threat comes along that he has to assist in taking down. I'm just saying that since we have seen multiple times that death isn't permanent in Kingdom Hearts, there's practically no point in trying to destroy the guy, he could just as easily come back and he probably already figured out at least 10 different ways to do so if that happens. The only way to really stop him for good is to convince him that what he's doing is a bad thing. Or something else.

 

I swear if KH3 ends with Xehanort being defeated in a way that doesn't involve outright obliterating the guy and every other fan keeps screaming "WHAT!?" over and over as if they never saw a twist like that coming, I am going to laugh my ass off, it's like no one is even considering the possibility of something else happening. X)"

If Xehanort redeems himself then I'm assuming Nomura has lost all his integrity as a writer and director. I despise the idea of him villains turning good at the last minute.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

If Xehanort redeems himself then I'm assuming Nomura has lost all his integrity as a writer and director. I despise the idea of him villains turning good at the last minute.

There's a smart way to write everything you know, no idea is inherently bad. As long as whatever outcome happens is written in a believable and good way, I will be satisfied. Even if it turns out to be just ending him, as anticlimactic as that would feel to me.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

For starters, killing someone and splitting them into a Heartless and Nobody, are two different things. Killing someone does not spawn a Heartless and Nobody. A Heartless and Nobody only spawn when a person falls to darkness. Second killing the Nobody first does not automatically negate the revival rule. When a Nobody is destroyed before the Heartless, the body will fade into darkness, where it will wait for the Heartless to be slain. If the body isn't destroyed by the darkness, before Heartless is slain there is still a chance for the revival to occur.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Why does everyone think we have to actually kill Xehanort? This is Kingdom Hearts, for all we know we might just end up making him see the error of his ways and redeem himself at the very end, or some bigger threat comes along that he has to assist in taking down. I'm just saying that since we have seen multiple times that death isn't permanent in Kingdom Hearts, there's practically no point in trying to destroy the guy, he could just as easily come back and he probably already figured out at least 10 different ways to do so if that happens. The only way to really stop him for good is to convince him that what he's doing is a bad thing. Or something else.

 

I swear if KH3 ends with Xehanort being defeated in a way that doesn't involve outright obliterating the guy and every other fan keeps screaming "WHAT!?" over and over as if they never saw a twist like that coming, I am going to laugh my ass off, it's like no one is even considering the possibility of something else happening. X)"

IMO, Xehanort is a sociopath, I think Nomura might have mentioned it once sometime after 3D but I'm not sure. If that's true, there is no way to make him see the error of his ways because he's incapable of feeling guilt. No matter how detestable his actions he'll always feel like he's completly validated and justified, like it's his fundamental right to destory and manipulate anyone he wants to accoplish his goal. 

 

Remember how it was said that to bring a person back you have to kill the Heartless first then the Nobody, if you kill the Nobody first then the body will fade away as it has no freed heart for it to inhabit. So what if in KH3 we kill Xehanort again and we get a new Nobody and Heartless wouldn't just killing this new Nobody first over the Heartless and poof problem solved

I don't think it was ever officially stated that they need to be defeated in a particular order.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

For starters, killing someone and splitting them into a Heartless and Nobody, are two different things. Killing someone does not spawn a Heartless and Nobody. A Heartless and Nobody only spawn when a person falls to darkness. Second killing the Nobody first does not automatically negate the revival rule. When a Nobody is destroyed before the Heartless, the body will fade into darkness, where it will wait for the Heartless to be slain. If the body isn't destroyed by the darkness, before Heartless is slain there is still a chance for the revival to occur.

Came in here to say exactly that.^^^^^ Also nomura:

When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

 

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Came in here to say exactly that.^^^^^ Also nomura:

When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

 

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

Beat you to it!   

I just didn't look for the interview lol.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

How exactly Xehanort will be defeated is anyone's guess!  I just really hope he meets a gruesome end, because he's ruined so many lives just out of sheer curiosity! The old man must be stopped! X_X

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

IMO, Xehanort is a sociopath, I think Nomura might have mentioned it once sometime after 3D but I'm not sure. If that's true, there is no way to make him see the error of his ways because he's incapable of feeling guilt. No matter how detestable his actions he'll always feel like he's completly validated and justified, like it's his fundamental right to destory and manipulate anyone he wants to accoplish his goal. 

 

I don't think it was ever officially stated that they need to be defeated in a particular order.

Doesn't mean he can't get his comeuppance in some different way that doesn't involve destroying him.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Doesn't mean he can't get his comeuppance in some different way that doesn't involve destroying him.

But as long as he exists, he's threat, and this is the last time he'll bother us. I doubt he going to give up, no matter what happens. 

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

But as long as he exists, he's threat, and this is the last time he'll bother us. I doubt he going to give up, no matter what happens. 

I'm just saying that there are more creative ways to end his threat than "just freaking kill him". It may have FF characters in it, but it doesn't have to have a FF ending.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I'm just saying that there are more creative ways to end his threat than "just freaking kill him". It may have FF characters in it, but it doesn't have to have a FF ending.

It would also be a Disney ending. They kill villains off all the time.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

It would also be a Disney ending. They kill villains off all the time.

And do you know what happened to Xehanort the last few times we fought him? He died. And then what happened? He kept coming back in some form or another. You'd just be furthering the problem by giving it the same solution as before. Something needs to be done differently this time. And as I said, there are more CREATIVE ways of doing this kind of thing. Or am I the only one who watched Avatar The Last Airbender?

Edited August 24, 2016 by Hero of Light XIV

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

And do you know what happened to Xehanort the last few times we fought him? He died. And then what happened? He kept coming back in some form or another. You'd just be furthering the problem by giving it the same solution as before. Something needs to be done differently this time. And as I said, there are more CREATIVE ways of doing this kind of thing. Or am I the only one who watched Avatar The Last Airbender?

Thing is, we didn't kill him, he's never died. 

BbS he succeeded by taking over Terra

KH we freed his heart

KH2 we defeated his nobody, allowing him to return. 

We've never actually managed to destroy him as a human. 

 

As for TLA, while I loved the show, I'd rather avoid the use of such a Deus ex Machina, that's not creativity, it's a cop-out. Energy Bending was never mentioned or even hinted at until just before the final battle, right when they needed it. That's the literal definition of a Deus ex Machina. 

Maybe Sora doesn't destroy him, maybe he's destroyed by Kingdom Hearts itself, but he needs to be destroyed. They can't just take the power to wield a keyblade away from him, that's up to the Keyblade and if it hasn't left him yet, it's not going to, they can't banish him to another realm because he'll just find a way back, they can't lock him up somwhere because the keyblade can unlock any lock, they can't reason with him because he's a sociopath, and if he's consumed by his own darkness, he just becomes a heartless and the whole thig starts all over again.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Thing is, we didn't kill him, he's never died. 

BbS he succeeded by taking over Terra

KH we freed his heart

KH2 we defeated his nobody, allowing him to return. 

We've never actually managed to destroy him as a human. 

 

As for TLA, while I loved the show, I'd rather avoid the use of such a Deus ex Machina, that's not creativity, it's a cop-out. Energy Bending was never mentioned or even hinted at until just before the final battle, right when they needed it. That's the literal definition of a Deus ex Machina. 

Maybe Sora doesn't destroy him, maybe he's destroyed by Kingdom Hearts itself, but he needs to be destroyed. They can't just take the power to wield a keyblade away from him, that's up to the Keyblade and if it hasn't left him yet, it's not going to, they can't banish him to another realm because he'll just find a way back, they can't lock him up somwhere because the keyblade can unlock any lock, they can't reason with him because he's a sociopath, and if he's consumed by his own darkness, he just becomes a heartless and the whole thig starts all over again.

You KNOW what I mean. He has to keep being seemingly destroyed every other game, to have that be the exact same conclusion in KH3 is just a BORING idea to me. And you know well that he would probably have a bajillion contingency plans in case he were to be destroyed as a human so that would just be playing right into his hands.

 

And I know that the end to TLA was kind of a deux ex machina, but the idea of how it ended is a very creative and rarely explored idea of how to settle a similar threat. If it was handled in a way where it doesn't come off as a deux ex machina, it could very well be an effective way of ending things.

 

You want to know why I oppose the idea of Xehanort just being destroyed? Because by this point he's shown he has the capacity to cheat death many times over, and if given that form of defeat, it would leave a door open for Nomura to just bring him back later instead of creating an entirely new threat and making other new threats along the way that have nothing or little to do with Xehanort. I want Nomura to create a kind of solution that, however it is carried out, is a definitive one for Xehanort. Maybe it'll be a TLA styled one where his capability to do harm is taken away from him, maybe it'll be a DBZ styled one where he is destroyed but later reborn as a more benevolent version of himself, or maybe something with Kingdom Hearts will go totally out of hand beyond what Xehanort was intending and he has a change of heart and sacrifices himself or something like that so he does end up being destroyed with no intention of coming back and causing more trouble.

 

My point is, you're all being way to vague and liberal with this whole "how the heck do we destroy Xehanort" thing when that only solves half the issue at hand, not to mention it's literally been done to non-death. I'm not expecting you to agree with me here, but I'd at least hope that this makes you stop and ponder for at least a minute.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

You KNOW what I mean. He has to keep being seemingly destroyed every other game, to have that be the exact same conclusion in KH3 is just a BORING idea to me. And you know well that he would probably have a bajillion contingency plans in case he were to be destroyed as a human so that would just be playing right into his hands.

 

And I know that the end to TLA was kind of a deux ex machina, but the idea of how it ended is a very creative and rarely explored idea of how to settle a similar threat. If it was handled in a way where it doesn't come off as a deux ex machina, it could very well be an effective way of ending things.

 

You want to know why I oppose the idea of Xehanort just being destroyed? Because by this point he's shown he has the capacity to cheat death many times over, and if given that form of defeat, it would leave a door open for Nomura to just bring him back later instead of creating an entirely new threat and making other new threats along the way that have nothing or little to do with Xehanort. I want Nomura to create a kind of solution that, however it is carried out, is a definitive one for Xehanort. Maybe it'll be a TLA styled one where his capability to do harm is taken away from him, maybe it'll be a DBZ styled one where he is destroyed but later reborn as a more benevolent version of himself, or maybe something with Kingdom Hearts will go totally out of hand beyond what Xehanort was intending and he has a change of heart and sacrifices himself or something like that so he does end up being destroyed with no intention of coming back and causing more trouble.

 

My point is, you're all being way to vague and liberal with this whole "how the heck do we destroy Xehanort" thing when that only solves half the issue at hand, not to mention it's literally been done to non-death. I'm not expecting you to agree with me here, but I'd at least hope that this makes you stop and ponder for at least a minute.

How comfortable are you with teh Reincarnation theory? Becasue in order for your first idea to work, than that needs to be proven true. As for the second idea, I don;t see that as a possibility because he already intends to destroy the entire universe and remake it, he knows Kingdom Hearts whill go out of control, in fact, he's counting on it.

 

There's no way to defeat him without destroying him or pulling a Deus ex Mahcina. Unless... Okay, so there might be one way. Keyblades can unlock things, but they can also lock things. We may be able to put a tight lock on Xehanort's heart, basically rendering him a comatose vegitable like Ven. But the only Keyblade we've seen thus far that can directly affect hearts is the Keyblade of Hearts, meaning we'd need the Princesses to give up their hearts. Or maybe Namine could do it with her power over memories. 

Edited August 24, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

How comfortable are you with teh Reincarnation theory? Becasue in order for your first idea to work, than that needs to be proven true. As for the second idea, I don;t see that as a possibility because he already intends to destroy the entire universe and remake it, he knows Kingdom Hearts whill go out of control, in fact, he's counting on it.

 

There's no way to defeat him without destroying him or pulling a Deus ex Mahcina. Unless... Okay, so there might be one way. Keyblades can unlock things, but they can also lock things. We may be able to put a tight lock on Xehanort's heart, basically rendering him a comatose vegitable like Ven. But the only Keyblade we've seen thus far that can directly affect hearts is the Keyblade of Hearts, meaning we'd need the Princesses to give up their hearts. Or maybe Namine could do it with her power over memories. 

At this point I'm not giving a clear stance on the Reincarnation theory until it is proven either false or true, but if it is true then I would be more open to a DBZ style ending (plus it would allow for a new optional protagonist for future games, finally playing Xehanort). And I meant Kingdom Hearts going out of his control, as in it does NOT do what he intended it to do and instead of remaking the universe it will just utterly destroy it forever, or some other effect that doesn't benefit him or anyone else. I don't think he's counting on not getting what he wants, unless he has several ideas to prevent that from happening and keep it on it's course. But as we know, hearts are unpredictable. It just seems so likely that something unexpected will happen despite how much he's planned for.

 

And Riku-Ansem expressly stated that it un-locks people's hearts, so unless it has the capability to reverse it's effects, I'm not so sure that would be the source of that twist, especially since Xehanort has shown that it is also an ancient power that Keyblade Masters could learn on their own, the Keyblade of People's Hearts (still needs a name damn it) probably only allowed any user that power without the knowledge or skill level necessary to do it independently. Maybe it has flexibility in what it can do, and maybe since Sora is meant to find it's supposed counterpart, "the Keyblade to Return People's Hearts", perhaps that means the other will make an appearance as well, but that's neither here nor there.

 

Look, I'm not claiming to know the answer to how this game will end, I'm just saying that I'm open to much more possibilities to how it will happen other than just killing the bad guy "but for realsies this time". There's still a chance that it might happen that way, but I'd rather entertain the idea that Nomura will have a surprising twist for this like he always does, and that regardless of what it is, it will tie into the story well in a way that feels natural and not forced.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

At this point I'm not giving a clear stance on the Reincarnation theory until it is proven either false or true, but if it is true then I would be more open to a DBZ style ending (plus it would allow for a new optional protagonist for future games, finally playing Xehanort). And I meant Kingdom Hearts going out of his control, as in it does NOT do what he intended it to do and instead of remaking the universe it will just utterly destroy it forever, or some other effect that doesn't benefit him or anyone else. I don't think he's counting on not getting what he wants, unless he has several ideas to prevent that from happening and keep it on it's course. But as we know, hearts are unpredictable. It just seems so likely that something unexpected will happen despite how much he's planned for.

 

And Riku-Ansem expressly stated that it un-locks people's hearts, so unless it has the capability to reverse it's effects, I'm not so sure that would be the source of that twist, especially since Xehanort has shown that it is also an ancient power that Keyblade Masters could learn on their own, the Keyblade of People's Hearts (still needs a name damn it) probably only allowed any user that power without the knowledge or skill level necessary to do it independently. Maybe it has flexibility in what it can do, and maybe since Sora is meant to find it's supposed counterpart, "the Keyblade to Return People's Hearts", perhaps that means the other will make an appearance as well, but that's neither here nor there.

 

Look, I'm not claiming to know the answer to how this game will end, I'm just saying that I'm open to much more possibilities to how it will happen other than just killing the bad guy "but for realsies this time". There's still a chance that it might happen that way, but I'd rather entertain the idea that Nomura will have a surprising twist for this like he always does, and that regardless of what it is, it will tie into the story well in a way that feels natural and not forced.

The Key to Return Hearts has been hinted to not be a Keyblade at all. And yes, he said it had the power to unlock hearts, but if a regular Keyblade can both lock and unlock, why wouldn't that one? Maybe it just depends on the intent of the weilder. Honestly it wouldn't make sense for a key not to be able to do both. And there's stil Namine, we know that she can destroy a whole bunch of memories at once, like she did with Riku Replica, and the shock of that causes the subject to loose conciousness. We also know from her conversation with Riku that she can lock memories away, never to return. Using both those powers, she could shatter Xehanort's chain of memories and immediatly lock them up so that they can't piece themseves together again, at the very least giving him permanent amnisia. 

Edited August 24, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno