MasterLorX

this perfectly explains BBS but since he fused with terra he had a lot of time, so initially he didn't have to be quick and you said it too he always knew the correct way so this means KH1 and KH2 were not hasty attemptsbtw it's difficult to be objective when defending our own ideas , someone else should read all this stuff and say what is more plausible for him

ok I admit this reinforces your theory but still no one EXPLICITLY said ansem and xemnas though those KH would work as substitutes or that xehanort only understood the true way to achieve his goals just before KH3D

ok I get your point, honestly I still prefer my version but I have to agree your theory is at least possiblejust two more questions:-when do you think xehanort realised the KH he previously summoned/created were not useful for his plan?-I understand Nomura wrote 3D later, but are we 100% sure the 13 vs 7 stuff was not written earlier? I find it strange Nomura just invented this for KH3D and KH3

ok so this is the part we don't agree, you say they thought those artificial KH would have been perfect substitutes for the original KH, instead I'm trying to say they already knew they were just artificial copiesthey had 10 years, do you really think they only realised at the very end their artificial KH weren't going to work for xehanort's (still unknown) plan?they have probably always known it

yes I know Nomura wanted to explain retcons but we can't say KH1 and KH2 were just hasty attempts to obtain KH as BBS, ansem plan was to gather the 7 PoH, xemnas plan was to gather 13 vessels, for them to achieve their individual plans it wasn't strictly necessary to create a false KH but it sure would have helped, they knew they weren't going to create the original KH and that's why they didn't acted rashly

actually he only said HE acted rashly in BBS, what ansem and xemnas did was decided, at this point since xehanort is a rational man I find it obvious they created artificial KH just as a intermediate step to accomplish his true goal faster and easierplus ansem and xemnas were around for like 10 years so I don't think we can say they acted rashly, their plans to create artificial KH were already decided

actually I believe a new 1light vs. 1darkness could be an interesting plan B for xehanort, I know this would only create a FALSE X-blade and a FALSE KH but think about this: xehanort, ansem and xemnas tried to create many KH in previous games, they knew that those were FALSE or ARTIFICIAL KH but still wanted to create them, so this make me think their individual plans were to become powerful beings with the power of these KH and then to try accomplishing the REAL xehanort plan to create the ORIGINAL X-blade with the advantages of this new power, otherwise BBS, KH1 and KH2 would make no sense. so this means if things go wrong for xehanort in KH3 it is possible he could try to create a FALSE KH just to become more powerful so he can retry to accomplish his true plan, just as he, ansem and xemnas tried to do in the past

yes at the beginning it is funny to fight with them but when I am towards the end of the game and I just want to go destroying enemies around the worlds for pure fun I find it annoying that they steal you the kills

hello guys, I belive that in order to make KH games more competitive they should put an "ALONE" ability, basically it makes Donald and Goofy disappear during the gameplay so that it's just Sora vs. the enemies Personally I hope SE puts this in KH3 what do you think guys?

you know maybe it is actually possible the members heartless were emblems because well, xehanort with his dark powers might have altered (maybe as an experiment) the process of their hearts being consumed by darkness.or maybe the solution is simply retconning what Marluxia said and actually the artificial KH is also made of the hearts "connected"(again I can't find a better word) to the destruction of purebloodsI still haven't watched the movie but I am curious to see if that scene with Marluxia has been included in KH1.5I'd go check it now, but it's very late in Rome and I reeally wanna go to bed ahahah, tomorrow I'm surely gonna see it

I agree that Nomura logic might create everything, however in KHdays (please tell if I'm wrong) Mrluxia says ONLY emblem heartless are useful for the org. since they release a heart, so this means the heart "associated"(can't find a better word) with the destruction of a pureblood heartless does not end up in the artificial KH

I know the timeline is KH2->KHcoded->KH3D, the point is that I believe KH3D just does not take place the day after KH2 ending, in fact I belive KH2 secret ending takes place some time after KH2 ending ok? my problem was I find it strange that it would take more than a few HOURS for Lea and the others to return humans at this point the only logical way to make the timeline compatible with the events is to "play" ourselves with time: let's say that in the KH universe it actually takes some long time for someone to return a complete person (1-2 days) then let's say that KH3D takes place something like 5-6 days after KH2 ending and now let's say some more days have passed between Lea's awekening and him arriving at Disney castle now this makes some sense(at least to me) probably Nomura never needed to focus on this problem because he wanted us to imagine it the way we prefer it, now just don't make me see someone returning human immidiately after the destruction of his heartless and nobody in KH3, understood Nomura? :sleep:

Thank you Flaming Lea now I get it but still there's a particular I want to clarify: if I remember well Xemnas artificial KH is only made by the hearts contained inside emblem heartless, so does this have to mean all the heartless of the org.XIII were emblem and not pureblood? it is a bit hard to believe this especially for the original 6 members or is it just me that haven't understood Xemnas artificial KH, also there's that scene where the hearts falling from the damaged KH transform into pureblood heartless! I am very confused now :[

hi guys, so in KH3D we know that some of the members of the first org.XIII have returned as humans, but I just can't understand why did they took so long to returnlet's take Ienzo, he died as Zexion more than a year before 3D events!and even if we try explain this situation by saying that actually the org. members heartless were destroyed later than the nobodies(very very improbable), well Sora isn't slaying heartless since the end of KH2 so unless KH3D is immediately after KH2(which is not actually) I just can't explain why they have returned so lateplease tell me if you have any idea about this and thank you for reading

Hope you're right, it's just whatever point of view I try to analize KH time-travel, I end up with a contradictory situationthe only thing that can save time-travel is our hypotetic lack of information

still NO ONE seems to be able to explain the real LOGIC behind time travel in KH (if there's one ) this explanation is incomplete, first of all we need to know how should we see TIME in the KH universe (and if it is completely unchangeable then time travel is pointless and KH3D plot only happened in an alternative time line, just saying)

so does this mean Sora, Riku and Kairi are Disney characters and not SE??

Hello everybody, as you know KH has got a very complex story and the series itself is not simple and superficial. So basically did you get the story immediately or did you have to replay the games or watch again the cutscenes to fully understand it? and how old were you? what about me? back in 2006 I started playing Kingdom Hearts at the age of 9, I finished KH1 and KH2 but not understood the story so much(too young?) Then at the age of 13 I discovered the existence of KHCoM(yes I know it took me 5 years D:) so I decided to play again KH1 then ReCoM and again KH2. This time it was totally different, what I remembered to be a simple and normal tale magically became a complex, interesting and awesome story you know what's funny? that even now after so many years I still don't know at 100% every aspect of KH and sometimes I discover some new pieces of it Kingdom Hearts is truly one of the best game ever!

I'd really prefer it to be impossible, but basing myself to the current information it could be possible for a nobody who developed a heart to actually form another nobody and heartless.At this point there's something that botheres me, if said nobody who developed a heart, let's take Axel as an example, if he splitted himself in a new nobody and a new heartless who would the destruction of these new beings reform, Axel or Lea?this is so confusing and weird please tell me we have solid proof that this can't happen

Maybe you read it wrong since I've never changed the post.However does this mean there's actually true evidence to support the theory?

Do we have evidence for this, or were you just referring to my 1st theory?

Hello everyone. After finishing again kh1 this question came to my mind: the light that comes out the DTD and destroys Ansem, where does it come from?? I know a recurrent theme of the game is light deep within darkness but still this doesn't mean light can pop out of nothing (especially in the RoD) In the end I have made these two theories to explain this phenomenon, please read and tell me if I am right or if there's already an established theory about this (that I've apparently missed ) Okay so before the theories these are the premises you should know KH1 artificial Kingdom Hearts is the black heart behind the DTD(I hope you didn't think KH to be the door itself.. we're in 2015 ahah), black normally means darkness plus this KH is made of the stolen hearts of worlds(influenced with darkness) so Ansem was right: KH was going to be darkness not light, plus of course he was right, it would make no sense if the main antagonist was going to destroy himself after a so long plan( this if KH was light since the beginning). At this point it is obvious why KH revealed to be light, it is thanks to Sora that summoned the light with his -Kingdom Hearts is Light!- And now these are the theories to explain why was Sora able to summon light and where it comes from in the first place: 1)the light actually comes from the Real Kingdom Hearts(source of all light) which is situated in the RoD, it reacted to Sora's speech and presumably sent a beam of light to help him, the light 'purified' the dark artificial KH, restoring the worlds' hearts and destroying Ansem. 2)the light comes from the dark artificial KH, this might be contradicting the premises but I theorised that maybe this artificial KH was not 100% darkness(thank you Nomura for not giving us any explanation about this) but made up of both light and darkness(like every heart) just with the latter being stronger. I imagine this just like a strong shell of darkness covering a core of light. So the light and the strength of Sora's heart gave new power to this core of light which becomes able to overwhelm and 'purify' the darkness covering it again restoring the worlds and destroying Ansem. That is all guys, personally I prefer the first theory because it is more simple and since we lack info regarding the composition of this artficial Kingdom Hearts I don't know how much the second one can be plausible Please let me know which theory you prefer or if the real explanation is actually far away from my head trip. And of course thank you very much for reading this

totally agree, fighting Terranort would be a lot more cool than fighting the old MXhowever I'm pretty sure (because of YX speaking about his most future self) that the defeat of Ansem SoD and Xemnas brought back to life both MX and Terra, that was surely norted just after his resurrection.at this point I think we have two options:1)in KH3 MX is going to possess again Terra thus creating another Terranort(who will be the main antagonist)2)in KH3 MX and Terra will remain two separate people, probably because MX knows he still have some time before dying and doesn't need another vessel anymore

At this point if he does return I expect him to have another appearence, maybe a mix of Sora's and Ventus’s

okay guys I can't win this debate, but I won't declare my defeat (at the moment). I have to admit your arguments are better than mine but I think now there aren't enough proof to say you're absolutely right In my defense I'll just say I'd like that only Ven is returning because I find it difficult to imagine two identical characters to be around in KH3, does this really not bother you?