Is it true that they make stuff up as he goes along? I always hear people saying this, and they said that he has said this himself in an interview or that it plainly obvious when you play the different games. Like some people say they don't believe that Terra gave the power to Riku to weild a keyblade (even though its shown in BBS) because Terra wasn't even an idea during KH1 at that point. And also some people say that Xion felt like a plot device because Days was made after KH2 and the whole everyone forgetting her was just for plot convenience to make it seem that in KH2 no one remembered her and that during the Original KH2 she wasn't even an idea. 

 

 

So is it true? Cause i never seem to notice.

Edited December 30, 20186 yr by Roxas_58644

We can't say that for sure. Nomura's mind is mysterious and complex.

 

I think it's pretty likely. Kingdom Hearts was probably meant to be a standalone game in the beginning, but after it gained popularity they decided to make a sequel (so of course they had to invent more things in order the game not to get repetitive and boring). I think they only started to plan the future games more after KH2. When you think about it, that's when they really started to tie all the stuff together to create a more coherent story (although that's also when it got really confusing). And they probably still put a lot more stuff in along the way...

 

I don't really mind, though. I think the fact that the story of Kingdom Hearts is not really the most logical one, and it's full of twists and turns and nonsense, is the reason why I love the series so much... in a way?

Edited October 2, 20169 yr by littleTSUBAME

It's so obvious Nomura making up the story as he goes. There are inconsistencies

 

Peace!

It's obvious that he does make it up as he goes along. But still a lovable game haha
I just feel bad for the people who just came into the series

I think people blow this way out of proportion.  When KH3 come out, we will have had 10 titles (counting 0.2 and Chi) in the KH series.  Thats a lot of information to have right at the beginning.  Im sure that he made most of it up as he went along, but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

 

For example, he could have had the idea of "Riku inherited his keyblade from someone" in KH1, but not necessarily have said "Riku inherited his keyblade from a boy named Terra, and heres Terras back story".

 

I dont really see this series as Nomura just making things up as he goes along.  I see it more of him expanding on ideas he already had as well as adding new things that people would like.  People say Xions existence and Axel getting a keyblade is just fan service.  So What?  He's making a video game.  His whole career is fan service.

 

My point is I think that when people complain about this, they are just complaining for the sake of it.  Its not that big of a problem, its actually pretty great

It's obvious he makes stuff up and it's shoddy writing to say the least. People make that excuse of

 

"Oh, he didn't know KH1 would be so successful!"

 

So what? He could have just written the stories for the next few games after KH1 released. Ever since Days came out it feels like he's been cramming nonsense in that shouldn't have been there in the first place. After Nojima and Watanabe stopped writing scenarios for KH Nomura started writing gibberish. Heck, I'll be kind, BBS did a good job of telling us about how Sora, Kairi and Riku got keyblades, who Xehanort really was etc. But you can tell that it wasn't meant to be there. Where the cramming really amped up was DDD and the Chi series. No one has ever brought up the Foretellers or the MOM. Mickey never even brought up that he met Aqua in the ROD until Nomura decided to make a flashback style game, how convenient!

 

Look at the manga-One Piece. The author planned the majority of his story out before writing the content for the chapters. It's the best selling manga of all time and everyone absolutely adores it. There's no inconsistencies either and everything connects perfectly.

 

How hard is it to plan in advance anyway?

Edited October 2, 20169 yr by Barry Bacon Allen

I believe there was indeed an interview with Nomura at some point in time (though I could be mistaken) stating that he did make the story up as he went along, which is why there are retcons throughout the story and a few inconsistencies (especially involving BBS and DDD).

 

Personally I do not feel that elaborating on how Riku inherited the Keyblade later on in the series really falls into the category of "making things up as you go along."  In that case, all storytellers make things up as they go along as it's virtually impossible to have every single little detail planed out from the beginning.  He'd planned for someone to pass the Keyblade along to Riku, and later on he probably thought, "Y'know, I could elaborate on this story and connect a few dots."

 

Regarding Xion: I suppose one could view it that way if they really wanted to, but to me I feel that Nomura found the perfect opportunity to elaborate upon the story of another character, and it fit well.  When you look back at the series and see how it evolved it doesn't really matter to me if things were created as the series went along, and I don't view it the same way as just, "Oh, let's throw everything together randomly and see what happens!".  The only thing that really bothers me are retcons, when the story contradicts itself because of changes later on in the series.  I cannot say specifically where this occurred--as I'm really out of touch with my KH lore (I need to play the games again!)--but I know there are some major retcons involving Xehanort and BBS and DDD, which I want to say involve the X-Blade but I could be very off.  I got rather confused with the ending of DDD and BBS as a whole. *sheepish grin*

The sheer amount of retcons and inconsistencies throughout are proof positive he just makes crap up as he goes along.

 

What irks me, though, is that he lies about it.  Affirms people that he always had some kind of plan.  About the only truthful thing he said regarding his planning process was how he came up with the idea for coded:  In a pub, with his coworkers, utterly wasted.  Pretty much explains everything about that game, huh?  

Edited October 2, 20169 yr by Iggy

About the only truthful thing he said regarding his planning process was how he came up with the idea for coded:  In a pub, with his coworkers, utterly wasted.

 

He was not drunk when the idea was formed. Where do people keep pulling this rumour from? The original Japanese interview (translation) only mentions it being late at night.

He was not drunk when the idea was formed. Where do people keep pulling this rumour from? The original Japanese interview (translation) only mentions it being late at night.

 

Have you played Re/coded?  He was drunk.  And not just drunk - that was a concept that could only have come from an entire bottle of 12-year old Yamazaki.

Have you played Re/coded?  He was drunk.  And not just drunk - that was a concept that could only have come from an entire bottle of 12-year old Yamazaki.

 

Read the interview.

I'm pretty sure he is making stuff up as he goes along, but that's just what writers do. And besides, he's really good at working his new ideas into the story. The whole thing about not believing that Terra gave Riku a keyblade because Terra was created after KH1 is ridiculous. That's not even a ligit excuse. It would be one thing if it was Explained how Riku had gotten a keyblade, but it wasn't. What matters is what happens in universe. In universe, Terra gave Riku the power to wield a keyblade before the events of KH1. The same goes for the whole Nobodies really have hearts secret. Wether Nomura had that in mind as he was writing KH2 and Days or came up with it later and thought it would be a good plot twist doesn't matter. We were playing as Roxas, and we were only told the lies that the Organization wanted him to believe. We didn't know because he didn't know. It really bothers me when people call that a retcon because in universe, that was the truth the whole time. I think the term "retcon" only applies to inconsistencies that you can't explain in universe. I'm sure there are those in KH as well, but the important ones Nomura worked into the story. I don't think he makes everything up as he goes - I'm sure he has a basic idea of where the story is going. But I'm also sure that he doesn't have every single detail mapped out beforehand.

Have you played Re/coded? He was drunk. And not just drunk - that was a concept that could only have come from an entire bottle of 12-year old Yamazaki.

Read the interview.

Nomura drunk? Lmao. I wouldn't be surprised. Sometimes being intoxicated brings out creativity. Stephen King wrote some of his best work whilst under the influence of drugs and alcohol Re Coded was filler until the end so I don't think it matters that much.

Edited October 2, 20169 yr by Barry Bacon Allen

It's so obvious Nomura making up the story as he goes. There are inconsistencies

 

Peace!

To add to that, the more recent the game is, the more it is obvious he is making stuff up.

Nomura drunk? Lmao. I wouldn't be surprised. Sometimes being intoxicated brings out creativity. Stephen King wrote some of his best work whilst under the influence of drugs and alcohol Re Coded was filler until the end so I don't think it matters that much.

 

It's like Bill Maher said:  If it wasn't for drugs, we wouldn't have the iPod, and we definitely wouldn't have some of the best music on it.  

 

For the record lol, I don't condone or advocate harmful crap like stimulants and heroin - but cannabis and hallucinogens?  Hell yes.

Nomura drunk? Lmao. I wouldn't be surprised. Sometimes being intoxicated brings out creativity. Stephen King wrote some of his best work whilst under the influence of drugs and alcohol Re Coded was filler until the end so I don't think it matters that much.

 

I just said he wasn't drunk, whoever made that rumour up clearly wanted to troll the fandom and then some.

Are there retcons? Yes. Does it seem like Nomura is making things up as he goes along? Also yes. Is this still an incredibly enjoyable series despite all that? Definitely yes. So what if Nomura can't keep some things straight, I love Kingdom Hearts despite its flaws. Although I will admit the Dream Drop Distance was a colossal mess.

Coming up a game idea while drunk. Werent some of the worlds best authors drunk and high when they wrote their books