The Red Equal Sign.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

The church has actually endured because they've changed. Historically the man equated with Jesus was born in the Summer, the Catholic church changed that because since they couldn't quash the pagan festivals that take place in Winter they decided to appropriate them to suit their needs. The Church also supported slavery but after it was abolished they changed their stance on it. It's the organism that adapts that survives.

I'm sorry. I wasn't specific enough. I meant since Catholic doctrine does not change, it endures. The Church won't support same sex marriage and will say it loud and clear. Look at Pope Francis; he said it loud and clear. I applaud him for speaking his belief.

I'm kidding. 

 

 

 

If it's not natural then why are thousands of species in the animal kingdom having sexual intercourse with the same sex? Explain. 

 

It isn't natural for humans and there are animals with both sex organs (ex: worms). I would like an example which animals in the animal kingdom that are having sexual intercourse with the same sex please.

[Protoman 1,974]

It isn't natural for humans and there are animals with both sex organs (ex: worms). I would like an example which animals in the animal kingdom that are having sexual intercourse with the same sex please.

haven't you ever seen like two male dogs humping each other before or do you like live under a rock

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

haven't you ever seen like two male dogs humping each other before or do you like live under a rock

I live in a suburb where things are quiet, peaceful, and normal like Destiny Islands. There are dogs in my neighborhood, but the owners keep them away from each other.

[Guest]

I'm sorry. I wasn't specific enough. I meant since Catholic doctrine does not change, it endures. The Church won't support same sex marriage and will say it loud and clear. Look at Pope Francis; he said it loud and clear. I applaud him for speaking his belief.

It isn't natural for humans and there are animals with both sex organs (ex: worms). I would like an example which animals in the animal kingdom that are having sexual intercourse with the same sex please.

This is for continuation of the species, since there are plenty of humans, as well as plenty of common sense, and other ways of creating children than direct, when why not?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I'm sorry. I wasn't specific enough. I meant since Catholic doctrine does not change, it endures. The Church won't support same sex marriage and will say it loud and clear. Look at Pope Francis; he said it loud and clear. I applaud him for speaking his belief.

I'm not saying that they should turn their backs on their beliefs, but they should not impose those beliefs onto others. Merely allowing homosexual couples the same rights and financial support that heterosexual couples have would not impose on the rights of said heterosexual couples. Homosexual marriage is already legal in several states but even those states that allow it still do not allow them the same financial support (i.e. spousal health insurance benefits) that heterosexual spouses get. As things stand now when a spouse in a homosexual marriage dies the survivor must pay hefty fees that would not be so extreme if they had the same support as heterosexual couples. Even if no church would allow them to get married inside it's walls, same sex couples can still get married at court houses. So why not give us the same financial rights as anyone else?

Edited March 27, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[RoxSox 3,593]

I'm totally for equal marriage, but I'm not gonna change my avvy. It's not like it's actually going to sway anyones opinion.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I'm not saying that they should turn their backs on their beliefs, but they should not impose those beliefs onto others. Merely allowing homosexual couples the same rights and financial support that heterosexual couples have would not impose on the rights of said heterosexual couples. Homosexual marriage is already legal in several states but even those states that allow it still do not allow them the same financial support (i.e. spousal health insurance benefits) that heterosexual spouses get. As things stand now when a spouse in a homosexual marriage dies the survivor must pay hefty fees that would not be so extreme if they had the same support as heterosexual couples. Even if no church would allow them to get married inside it's walls, same sex couples can still get married at court houses. So why not give us the same financial rights as anyone else?

True it isn't fair that they don't get same financial rights, but they should not get married. They can be together, but not married.

[Demyx. 10,064]

I agree. It is not right to promote something against the natural laws of the universe and against God's Will in my opinion.

 

Edit: post number 400 for me!

People shouldn't deny others of their natural human rights. We should have equal rights. That includes marriage. If it is against god's will then why does it happen? It is something people are born with. Something they cannot help or change. Why would god allow that to happen if it were against his will?

[Ruby 224]

Oh so that's what the red equal sign means.

Anyways, I'm in.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

People shouldn't deny others of their natural human rights. We should have equal rights. That includes marriage. If it is against god's will then why does it happen? It is something people are born with. Something they cannot help or change. Why would god allow that to happen if it were against his will?

Why do people do bad things if their actions are against God's Will? We have free will, that's why. It is everyone's responsibility to use their free will for good. Humans are imperfect and so this stuff sadly happens. God is more than willing to forgive us if we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. People are never born with it, they are taught it and it is the individual who either decides to support it and/or decides to become homosexual. It is all choice, not natural.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

True it isn't fair that they don't get same financial rights, but they should not get married. They can be together, but not married.

But the only way to get those benefits is to get married. Unless they change it so that couples who aren't married at all get those benefits, giving them to same sex couples who are married is the only way for us to get them. And it would be a lot easier to do it that way.

 

Why do people do bad things if their actions are against God's Will? We have free will, that's why. It is everyone's responsibility to use their free will for good. Humans are imperfect and so this stuff sadly happens. God is more than willing to forgive us if we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. People are never born with it, they are taught it and it is the individual who either decides to support it and/or decides to become homosexual. It is all choice, not natural.

That's not true. When I first discovered I was attracted to men I had no idea what homosexuality was. I couldn't accept it and I wanted to change so badly that it sent me into a long depression. It was only after I accepted that it was a part of who I am that I became a happier more well adjusted person. And why would anyone choose to be something that they would be ostracized and even hated for? If it truly was a choice than why not just choose to be heterosexual and marry a person of the opposite sex? Let me ask you, did you choose to be straight? Homosexuality isn't learned but the intolerance against it is and that intolerance is a choice. 

Oh so that's what the red equal sign means.

Anyways, I'm in.

Is that the Black character from RWBY!? So her trailer is out now?

Edited March 27, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[Weiss 8,279]

Why do people do bad things if their actions are against God's Will? We have free will, that's why. It is everyone's responsibility to use their free will for good. Humans are imperfect and so this stuff sadly happens. God is more than willing to forgive us if we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. People are never born with it, they are taught it and it is the individual who either decides to support it and/or decides to become homosexual. It is all choice, not natural.

you don't get to choose your sexuality. 

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

you don't get to choose your sexuality. 

I don't get to choose what gender I'll be, but it's my choice whether to be gay or not.

 

But the only way to get those benefits is to get married. Unless they change it so that couples who aren't married at all get those benefits, giving them to same sex couples who are married is the only way for us to get them. And it would be a lot easier to do it that way.

 

Is that the Black character from RWBY!? So her trailer is out now?

Actually, a compromise would be this: same sex marriage does not have to be recognized, but same sex couples can't be denied rights that heterosexual couples have. That is how I see a possible compromise coming out of all of this.

[Demyx. 10,064]

Why do people do bad things if their actions are against God's Will? We have free will, that's why. It is everyone's responsibility to use their free will for good. Humans are imperfect and so this stuff sadly happens. God is more than willing to forgive us if we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. People are never born with it, they are taught it and it is the individual who either decides to support it and/or decides to become homosexual. It is all choice, not natural.

Being gay isn't a bad thing. It's not a choice. Why would someone choose to be an outcast? Why would they choose to be made fun of pushed around a bullied? People kill themselves for because of it. Do you understand that? If it was something they chose to do, why kill themselves? If it was a choice they could simply not be gay anymore and not kill themselves.

[Weiss 8,279]

I don't get to choose what gender I'll be, but it's my choice whether to be gay or not.

 

Actually, a compromise would be this: same sex marriage does not have to be recognized, but same sex couples can't be denied rights that heterosexual couples have. That is how I see a possible compromise coming out of all of this.

no, you don't. That's like saying you choose your disorders. Some people may not realize their sexuality until later on in life but that doesn't change the fact that you can't choose. 

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Being gay isn't a bad thing. It's not a choice. Why would someone choose to be an outcast? Why would they choose to be made fun of pushed around a bullied? People kill themselves for because of it. Do you understand that? If it was something they chose to do, why kill themselves? If it was a choice they could simply not be gay anymore and not kill themselves.

The people who make them outcasts is their choice, but it's the individual's choice whether to let it bother them or not. It is also the individual's choice whether to kill themselves. Look, I for one wish to not drag this out until it's a war, so let's put it at this: I'm against, you are for. Ok? I don't think we should let this tear us apart now, should we?

[Demyx. 10,064]

The people who make them outcasts is their choice, but it's the individual's choice whether to let it bother them or not. It is also the individual's choice whether to kill themselves. Look, I for one wish to not drag this out until it's a war, so let's put it at this: I'm against, you are for. Ok? I don't think we should let this tear us apart now, should we?

You missed my point.... Why would someone choose that life? Choose that life and then kill themselves? Why would someone do that? Nobody would choose that life.

[Koko 3,944]

I agree. It is not right to promote something against the natural laws of the universe and against God's Will in my opinion.

 

Edit: post number 400 for me!

 

 

So let me get this straight: if same sex marriage is legalized, I have to recognize it even though it's against my conscience? That's not fair to me. What about everyone else? Do all those who don't support it have to recognize it even though it's against their consciences? That's not fair to them. I am not judging anyway. I am telling you what I believe and if you don't like it, your problem; not mine.

 

Shut up. You make me sick.

 

 

Anyways I actually hate this movement because it's a bunch of self proclaimed allies who actually don't give a shit and still say harmful things about LGBTs. Most of them only care about MARRIAGE EQUALITY YEAH which is good BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE VIOLENCE TOWARDS LGBT YOUTH. OR THE FACT THAT IN SOME PLACES, PEOPLE CAN GET FIRED FOR BEING LGBT. OR HEY. LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED WHO HAS NO REGARDS FOR FOR LGBT PEOPLE AND TREATS THEM LESS THAN HUMAN BEINGS AND WANTS TO DENY THEM RIGHTS AND OTHER THE firetruck OUT OF THEM.

[Demyx. 10,064]

Shut up.

 

 

Anyways I actually hate this movement because it's a bunch of self proclaimed allies who actually don't give a shit and still say harmful things about LGBTs. Most of them only care about MARRIAGE EQUALITY YEAH which is good BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE VIOLENCE TOWARDS LGBT YOUTH. OR THE FACT THAT IN SOME PLACES, PEOPLE CAN GET FIRED FOR BEING LGBT.

Not true Koko. People do give a shit. That's why I have always stood up for lgbt people. When I was in high school I beat the shit out of people for those kind of acts. I care a lot and others do too.

[OthersiderME 614]

I don't get to choose what gender I'll be, but it's my choice whether to be gay or not.

 

Actually, a compromise would be this: same sex marriage does not have to be recognized, but same sex couples can't be denied rights that heterosexual couples have. That is how I see a possible compromise coming out of all of this.

i don't see a need for a compromise here.

 

Thank you Weiss for showing me this, I feel it might be necessary to place it here now.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Shut up. You make me sick.

 

 

Anyways I actually hate this movement because it's a bunch of self proclaimed allies who actually don't give a shit and still say harmful things about LGBTs. Most of them only care about MARRIAGE EQUALITY YEAH which is good BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE VIOLENCE TOWARDS LGBT YOUTH. OR THE FACT THAT IN SOME PLACES, PEOPLE CAN GET FIRED FOR BEING LGBT. OR HEY. LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED WHO HAS NO REGARDS FOR FOR LGBT PEOPLE AND TREATS THEM LESS THAN HUMAN BEINGS AND WANTS TO DENY THEM RIGHTS AND OTHER THE firetruck OUT OF THEM.

I appreciate your passion but letting your anger get the best of you is not helping the cause. Try to remain calm and state your argument logically and more people are likely to listen to it.

[Koko 3,944]

I'm sorry. I wasn't specific enough. I meant since Catholic doctrine does not change, it endures. The Church won't support same sex marriage and will say it loud and clear. Look at Pope Francis; he said it loud and clear. I applaud him for speaking his belief.

It isn't natural for humans and there are animals with both sex organs (ex: worms). I would like an example which animals in the animal kingdom that are having sexual intercourse with the same sex please.

 

Bats. Lions. Some species of monkeys. There's actual research based on SCIENTIFIC FACT THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS NATURAL. GET OUT FROM UNDER YOUR IGNORANT RELIGIOUS ROCK.

 

I don't get to choose what gender I'll be, but it's my choice whether to be gay or not.

 

Actually, a compromise would be this: same sex marriage does not have to be recognized, but same sex couples can't be denied rights that heterosexual couples have. That is how I see a possible compromise coming out of all of this.

 

No one chooses their gender because it is assigned to us at birth. I was assigned as female. I'm not a female. So yeah, you're spouting trans*phobic crap too now.

 

Also no, there should be no firetrucking compromise. Not everyone believes in God or follows Catholicism. WE ARE NOT A COUNTRY FOUND UPON CATHOLICISM. OR CHRISTIANITY OR ANY RELIGION. SO WITHOUT firetruckING BRINGING RELIGION INTO IT, IT SHOULD BE OKAY FOR ANYONE TO MARRY WHO THEY WANT AND NEVER BE DENIED RIGHTS. No firetrucking compromise. Get your religion out of the government. 

 

Not true Koko. People do give a shit. That's why I have always stood up for lgbt people. When I was in high school I beat the shit out of people for those kind of acts. I care a lot and others do too.

 

But a large majority. It's a trend. It's to look good. I mean, put the red quality symbol as your avatar and YEAH YOU'RE A GOOD PERSON but for the most part, a lot of these "allies" are assholes who don't actually care. I know some of you guys actually do, but a large majority only do it for the image. 

[khoathkeeper13 429]

Okay I'm not gonna fight with anyone over anything so I won't be responding to any replies but-

You choose your thoughts. You choose your actions.  You choose your likes.  You choose your dislikes.  You choose who you are.

[Koko 3,944]

I appreciate your passion but letting your anger get the best of you is not helping the cause. Try to remain calm and state your argument logically and more people are likely to it.

 Sorry I don't appreciate people telling me to be nice to my oppressor because that is crap. I'm allowed to get angry, I am allowed to be upset because my own basic human rights are at stake. My anger is not getting the best of me, I'm letting my human emotions show and that does not make me or my arguments invalid because I'M ALLOWED TO GET UPSET. I hate the whole idea that you have to be nice to your firetrucking oppressors to get them to listen to you. No, I do not have to be nice to them. firetruck that.

 

Okay I'm not gonna fight with anyone over anything so I won't be responding to any replies but-

You choose your thoughts. You choose your actions.  You choose your likes.  You choose your dislikes.  You choose who you are.

 

No you don't choose your likes or dislikes and sometimes you can't help who you are.

I can't help that I'm an angry individual. I don't choose to be angry.

I didn't choose who I'm attracted to. I didn't choose to love who I do. It happened and I chose to accept it. But I didn't choose for it to happen. 

[Demyx. 10,064]

Okay I'm not gonna fight with anyone over anything so I won't be responding to any replies but-

You choose your thoughts. You choose your actions.  You choose your likes.  You choose your dislikes.  You choose who you are.

Can't choose what happens in your brain.