KHBbS Roxas and Ventus ARE NOT THE SAME DAMMIIT!

[Dio Brando 5,810]

One of the few wrong things that the KH fanbase likes to believe and will eat anyone for disagreeing with it....is the whole:Roxas is Ventus bullcrap

 

This is just wrong....this is wrong both canonically and logically in terms of the KH mythos

 

And before I go into detail let's just take it one by one  starting with the little things.First, the design.

 

People like to assume that Roxas is Ventus based on the similarity of character design....which is non sense

 

All of what the two shares is just a hairstyle and an outfit he happened to find in his closet and can be changed at any time

 

Also,if you look closely at Roxas;s facial model,his face looks more similar to Sora than Ventus......seriously just do a hair swap with Sora's KH2 model and see what you'll get.

 

Sure maybe Ventus's heart influenced how Roxas's might look but it's so trivial and have nothing to add to the plot except for hinting something that is very obvious...in fact it makes Ventus's design look very lazy as they could've gave him something that makes him look more different

 

If anything,it goes to show the lazy design of Ventus and that Nomura should've thought of an original design of him instead of making them similar to delude you that they're one and the same while nothing in the official canon inside the games confirm such a thing

 

And before you say they have the same voice,a voice actor can voice more than one character in a game,anime or a TV show

 

Jason Griffith voiced both Sonic and Shadow,does that mean Sonic and Shadow are the same??

 

Jaleel White voice Sonic,Manic and even Sonia in the Sonic Underground cartoon.

 

So yeah,the similar voice argument is invalid.

 

Now we can start with the canonical stuff.

 

One:How about the fact that Ventus's body is STILL IN CASTLE OBLIVION...if Roxas was really Ventus,Xemnas would've fully realized that instead of searching the shit out of Castle Oblivion

 

Two:It was never confirmed that Ventus got yet another amnesia as he's still sleeping at Castle Oblivion

 

Three:nothing confirms that Ventus's heart left Sora when he stabbed himself at Hollow Bastion.

 

Four:If Roxas is Ventus,then why did he remembers Sora's memories instead of Ventus's??This won't make any sense.It's like if someday you lost your memory,but instead of regaining your memory you got the memory of a high school girl.

 

Five:If Roxas is Ventus,then why didn't Xemnas add an X to Ventus's name instead of Sora's during the naming ceremony.

 

Six:How about the fact that during his time in the organization,Roxas was WIELDING THE KINGDOM KEY,which is Sora's keyblade,and before you say you can change the keychain,but the design of Ventus's keyblade differs from that of other wielders in terms of how you hold it....yeah Roxas later on will use Oathkeeper and Oblivion for Dualwielding,but those two were also keychains used by Sora in the first game.

 

Seven:How about the fact that most interviews,Ultimania books and even the journals inside the game states that Roxas is Sora's nobody  dozens of times to the point everytime I see a journal entry about this I say:No shit I know that already

 

There are dozens of other reasons that I can state but it'll reach nitpicking at this point.

 

Even if you try to give more similarities ,there are so many differences between the two that proof that the "Roxas is Ventus" Theory is nonsense

[venxas24 544]

At one point I was confused about them so I probably can't really talk but I'm just used to having to explain it a lot

[DarkAvenger 88]

One of the few wrong things that the KH fanbase likes to believe and will eat anyone for disagreeing with it....is the whole:Roxas is Ventus bullcrap This is just wrong....this is wrong both canonically and logically in terms of the KH mythos And before I go into detail let's just take it one by one  starting with the little things.First, the design. People like to assume that Roxas is Ventus based on the similarity of character design....which is non sense All of what the two shares is just a hairstyle and an outfit he happened to find in his closet and can be changed at any time Also,if you look closely at Roxas;s facial model,his face looks more similar to Sora than Ventus......seriously just do a hair swap with Sora's KH2 model and see what you'll get. Sure maybe Ventus's heart influenced how Roxas's might look but it's so trivial and have nothing to add to the plot except for hinting something that is very obvious...in fact it makes Ventus's design look very lazy as they could've gave him something that makes him look more different If anything,it goes to show the lazy design of Ventus and that Nomura should've thought of an original design of him instead of making them similar to delude you that they're one and the same while nothing in the official canon inside the games confirm such a thing And before you say they have the same voice,a voice actor can voice more than one character in a game,anime or a TV show Jason Griffith voiced both Sonic and Shadow,does that mean Sonic and Shadow are the same?? Jaleel White voice Sonic,Manic and even Sonia in the Sonic Underground cartoon. So yeah,the similar voice argument is invalid. Now we can start with the canonical stuff. One:How about the fact that Ventus's body is STILL IN CASTLE OBLIVION...if Roxas was really Ventus,Xemnas would've fully realized that instead of searching the shit out of Castle Oblivion Two:It was never confirmed that Ventus got yet another amnesia as he's still sleeping at Castle Oblivion Three:nothing confirms that Ventus's heart left Sora when he stabbed himself at Hollow Bastion. Four:If Roxas is Ventus,then why did he remembers Sora's memories instead of Ventus's??This won't make any sense.It's like if someday you lost your memory,but instead of regaining your memory you got the memory of a high school girl. Five:If Roxas is Ventus,then why didn't Xemnas add an X to Ventus's name instead of Sora's during the naming ceremony. Six:How about the fact that during his time in the organization,Roxas was WIELDING THE KINGDOM KEY,which is Sora's keyblade,and before you say you can change the keychain,but the design of Ventus's keyblade differs from that of other wielders in terms of how you hold it....yeah Roxas later on will use Oathkeeper and Oblivion for Dualwielding,but those two were also keychains used by Sora in the first game. Seven:How about the fact that most interviews,Ultimania books and even the journals inside the game states that Roxas is Sora's nobody  dozens of times to the point everytime I see a journal entry about this I say:No shit I know that already There are dozens of other reasons that I can state but it'll reach nitpicking at this point. Even if you try to give more similarities ,there are so many differences between the two that proof that the "Roxas is Ventus" Theory is nonsense

Ventus' body is in the Castle Oblivion,a part of his heart is in Soras' body and the other part became Roxas.

[Varnish 319]

Ventus' body is in the Castle Oblivion,a part of his heart is in Soras' body and the other part became Roxas.

Actually, Ventus' heart went into Sora's after it was expelled from his own body, and it remained in Roxas' (Sora's) body when Roxas was created.

No offence intended, but I have already tried to cover this subject myself:

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/64462-ddd-spoiler-warning-allow-me-to-make-something-perfectly-clear/?hl=%2Ballow+%2Bme+%2Bto+%2Bmake+%2Bsomething+%2Bperfectly+%2Bclear

Edited November 3, 2013 by Varnish

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Ventus' body is in the Castle Oblivion,a part of his heart is in Soras' body and the other part became Roxas.

No,Ventus's entire heart still inside Sora,hence why he shielded Sora with it's full armor in DDD

 

Nothing was said about Ventus's heart being split again between Sora and Roxas...otherwise Vanitas would've materialized and possess Roxas if Ven's heart was split into two.

 

Also,as said by Xemnas himself in DDD.Nobodies can grow their own heart after a while....hence why Roxas,Namine and Axel managed to have emotions.

 

And since Roxas got a heart during his time with Organization XIII.This just further proof that aside from a silly haircut,Ventus and Roxas are not the same or even connected that much

Edited November 3, 2013 by Metal Snake

[DarkAvenger 88]

No,Ventus's entire heart still inside Sora,hence why he shielded Sora with it's full armor in DDD Nothing was said about Ventus's heart being split again between Sora and Roxas...otherwise Vanitas would've materialized and possess Roxas if Ven's heart was split into two. Also,as said by Xemnas himself in DDD.Nobodies can grow their own heart after a while....hence why Roxas,Namine and Axel managed to have emotions. And since Roxas got a heart during his time with Organization XIII.This just further proof that aside from a silly haircut,Ventus and Roxas are not the same or even connected that much

The reason Roxas has emotions unlike the other Org13 members is because he has a heart(Ventus' heart) from the moment he was created.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

The reason Roxas has emotions unlike the other Org13 members is because he has a heart(Ventus' heart) from the moment he was created.

No he doesn't have Ventus's heart because Ventus's heart didn't leave Sora when he stabbed himself...only one heart got out which was Kairi's heart.

 

Axel also has some sort of emotions,and Roxas was barely talking when he joined the organization XIII

 

Xemnas said it himself in DDD

 

If Roxas has Ventus's heart then why didn't he regain Ventus's memory huh??

[DarkAvenger 88]

No he doesn't have Ventus's heart because Ventus's heart didn't leave Sora when he stabbed himself...only one heart got out which was Kairi's heart. Axel also has some sort of emotions,and Roxas was barely talking when he joined the organization XIII Xemnas said it himself in DDD If Roxas has Ventus's heart then why didn't he regain Ventus's memory huh??

Because then Sora would also have Ventu's memory.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Because then Sora would also have Ventu's memory.

Okay I didn't rephrase that correctly.

 

I meant if Roxas is Ventus why doesn't he have Ventus's memory

[DarkAvenger 88]

Okay I didn't rephrase that correctly. I meant if Roxas is Ventus why doesn't he have Ventus's memory

He isn't Ventus.He has Ventu's heart but not his memory.

[Hazimie 1,595]

Actually,some of you are right and wrong.Ventus's heart really did went into Roxas when Sora release Kairi's heart and when Roxas was created.The reason why Roxas doesn't have Ventus's memory because of Xion,since she holds Sora's memories including the memories for those connected to him,which means Ventus and to proof that she really has Ventus memory is when her appearance became Ventus during she fought against Xigbar.Also,when Sora become human again after becoming a heartless,Sora can still use the Keyblade without Ventus's heart because his heart is already strong enough to wield his own.

 

Also,Roxas did grow a heart just like you guys said,and he grow his heart during the time when he spend time together with Axel and Xion.Which means Roxas has two hearts,one for his own,and one for Ventus.But the problem that he can't use two Keyblade at once because he needs Sora's memories from Xion,since she absorbed most of the memories from Roxas,including his strength...

Edited November 3, 2013 by Hazimie

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Actually,some of you are right and wrong.Ventus's heart really did went into Roxas when Sora release Kairi's heart and when Roxas was created.The reason why Roxas doesn't have Ventus's memory because of Xion,since she holds Sora's memories including the memories for those connected to him,which means Ventus and to proof that she really has Ventus memory is when her appearance became Ventus during she fought against Xigbar.Also,when Sora become human again after becoming a heartless,Sora can still use the Keyblade without Ventus's heart because his heart is already strong enough to wield his own.

 

Also,Roxas did grow a heart just like you guys said,and he grow his heart during the time when he spend time together with Axel and Xion.Which means Roxas has two hearts,one for his own,and one for Ventus.But the problem that he can't use two Keyblade at once because he needs Sora's memories from Xion,since she absorbed most of the memories from Roxas,including his strength...

Nothing so far confirms that Ventus's heart went to Roxas,it's just a speculation based on the moment Sora stabbed himself in Hollow Bastion.

 

The reason Roxas can use dual wielding is because he's connected to Sora,who happens to have Ventus's heart.

 

And no,not because of Xion because Xion herself didn't manage to obtain Ventus's memory...she has fragments of Ventus's memory because Sora has his heart.

 

Roxas did see Sora's memories during his time in the organization hence why he has flashbacks about Sora's adventure

[Hazimie 1,595]

Nothing so far confirms that Ventus's heart went to Roxas,it's just a speculation based on the moment Sora stabbed himself in Hollow Bastion.

 

The reason Roxas can use dual wielding is because he's connected to Sora,who happens to have Ventus's heart.

 

And no,not because of Xion because Xion herself didn't manage to obtain Ventus's memory...she has fragments of Ventus's memory because Sora has his heart.

 

Roxas did see Sora's memories during his time in the organization hence why he has flashbacks about Sora's adventure

If Ventus's heart didn't went into Roxas,then how come his appearance was not like Sora since it was his nobody from the beginning?This was a proof that Ven's heart was inside Roxas and his appearance was just like him.Indeed,Roxas was connected to Sora,but Roxas still needs two strong hearts to wield the Keyblade,and that is why Ven's heart and his own was the only thing that he can duel wield.Also,how can you explain if Xion doesn't have memories of Ventus but she suddenly became Ventus herself for awhile during her fight against Xigbar?.And lastly,Roxas can sees Sora's flashbacks and memories because that's how Nobodies was,since Nobodies doesn't have heart at the beginning,but they still have memories of before they became a nobody.

 

I know all my explanations are rude,but i'm trying to help you for correcting it.If i am wrong too for myself,i wish somebody can correcting it...

Edited November 3, 2013 by Hazimie

[Aile 273]

 

Also,how can you explain if Xion doesn't have memories of Ventus but she suddenly became Ventus herself for awhile during her fight against Xigbar?

 

Xion did not "became" Ventus when she fought Xigbar, Xigbar only saw her as Ventus, just like Saix sees her as a puppet, Riku sees her as Kairi (as seen in the manga), And Axel and Roxas as her own person. And when Xigbar saw her as Ventus, she was allready beginning to look like Sora (at least I think so) Because at that scene, Axel saw her as a hooded person and when she revealed her face to him he looked kinda shocked.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Also,if you look closely at Roxas;s facial model,his face looks more similar to Sora than Ventus......seriously just do a hair swap with Sora's KH2 model and see what you'll get.

 

Sure maybe Ventus's heart influenced how Roxas's might look but it's so trivial and have nothing to add to the plot except for hinting something that is very obvious...in fact it makes Ventus's design look very lazy as they could've gave him something that makes him look more different

 

That's nonsense, they have the same character model. There are some minor differences because they changed the look of every model from time to time. You can see it in KH2 and KH2FM. But you can also see that Roxas' face changed again a bit in Days... And of course, they changed it again in BbS. But it's the same model...

[Dio Brando 5,810]

That's nonsense, they have the same character model. There are some minor differences because they changed the look of every model from time to time. You can see it in KH2 and KH2FM. But you can also see that Roxas' face changed again a bit in Days... And of course, they changed it again in BbS. But it's the same model...

I said "minor"

 

And by minor I meant it;s the same model with few changes.

 

Roxas's face is a bit more chubby while Ventus is kinda thinner if you look at the chin

 

I never said anywhere in my post that they're drastically different

 

They're the same but with minor differences.

 

Which really makes Ventus's design lazy

Edited November 3, 2013 by Metal Snake

[Hazimie 1,595]

Xion did not "became" Ventus when she fought Xigbar, Xigbar only saw her as Ventus, just like Saix sees her as a puppet, Riku sees her as Kairi (as seen in the manga), And Axel and Roxas as her own person. And when Xigbar saw her as Ventus, she was allready beginning to look like Sora (at least I think so) Because at that scene, Axel saw her as a hooded person and when she revealed her face to him he looked kinda shocked.

Indeed,Xion became anything as she likes as long as she has memories of Sora that ties to other people...

[VanitasTheBest 196]

I said "minor"

 

And by minor I meant it;s the same model with few changes.

 

Roxas's face is a bit more chubby while Ventus is kinda thinner if you look at the chin

 

I never said anywhere in my post that they're drastically different

 

They're the same but with minor differences.

 

Which really makes Ventus's design lazy

 

Even if you point out every wrinkle of Roxas that Ventus doesn't have, they just look alike. There's nothing more to say about that imo ...

 

But I understand what you want to say. People just gotta realize that they're not the same Person just because of the same look ~

[Dio Brando 5,810]

 

 

But I understand what you want to say. People just gotta realize that they're not the same Person just because of the same look ~

There,this was the point that I was trying to convey to everyone

 

Just because they look similar doesn't mean they're one at the same

 

However I got two question in my head.

 

Once Sora releases Ventus's heart inside him....will Sora need to become a heartless again?

 

And after releasing Ventus's heart,will Roxas look identical to Sora this time

 

 

 

Also,the reason I brought the differences between Roxas and Ventus's look is that....some members of Organization XIII members look a little bit different

 

Xigbar and Xaldin has longer hair....but what I don't understand is that when Dilan came back in DDD...he didn't have that long hair he once had as Xaldin...where did all this hair go??? He just woke up so he didn't have enough time to cut it??

 

Did Nomura just decided to use the BBS model to save time instead of giving him the same hair as his Nobody Xaldin??

Edited November 3, 2013 by Metal Snake

[Caity 3,946]

The similarities between Ven and Roxas is most likely to draw connections for people.  I don't think they're the same person, never have.  But the same characteristics, voice actor, most likely hint that he did have Ven's heart in him which shaped his appearance but at the end of KH2, all hearts, Xion, Ven and Roxas returned to Sora.  

Also you can tell the difference between the appearance with Roxas and Ven's clothes easily.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

No,Ventus's entire heart still inside Sora,hence why he shielded Sora with it's full armor in DDD

 

Nothing was said about Ventus's heart being split again between Sora and Roxas...otherwise Vanitas would've materialized and possess Roxas if Ven's heart was split into two.

 

Also,as said by Xemnas himself in DDD.Nobodies can grow their own heart after a while....hence why Roxas,Namine and Axel managed to have emotions.

 

And since Roxas got a heart during his time with Organization XIII.This just further proof that aside from a silly haircut,Ventus and Roxas are not the same or even connected that much

 

Nothing so far confirms that Ventus's heart went to Roxas,it's just a speculation based on the moment Sora stabbed himself in Hollow Bastion.

 

The reason Roxas can use dual wielding is because he's connected to Sora,who happens to have Ventus's heart.

 

And no,not because of Xion because Xion herself didn't manage to obtain Ventus's memory...she has fragments of Ventus's memory because Sora has his heart.

 

Roxas did see Sora's memories during his time in the organization hence why he has flashbacks about Sora's adventure

 

He isn't Ventus.He has Ventu's heart but not his memory.

 

 

Roxas was confirmed to have Ven's heart . Ven's heart wasn't released it stayed in Sora's PHYSICAL BODY AKA ROXAS . He didn't have Ven's memories bc Ven's heart was 'dormant/ asleep'. Sora kept a lot of his memories when he was a 'walking heart' bc he didn't stay a heartless long and Kairi purified him and gave him a human form .. Because of this, Roxas was born a 'zombie ' with no memory of his existence before he was born .- not Sora's or Ven's. Over time , he did start getting Sora's memories and him and Xion were connected and sharing Sora's power back and forth . Xion's keyblade was a replica- not the real thing although her power did come from Sora just like Roxas because they were all connected . Both Roxas and Sora wield Sora's keyblade and Ven's .Ventus and Roxas are NOT the same person . Over time , Roxas was also able to grow his own heart based off his own memories . Xion didn't have Ven's memories either - Xigbar saw Ven bc everyone saw Xion a different way depending on their connection as stated in the secret reports of Days

 

 

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas� body, is Ventus� heart.

 

As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus� heart are linked (P.646). And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

[picture: Little Sora and Ventus� heart]

Ven: �Can I become one with your heart again?�

 

When he was born into the world, he linked with Ventus filling his fractured heart. Many years later, when Ventus was on the verge of disappearing after his fight with Vanitas, Sora took him into his own heart.

 

 

Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his �real self�.

 

Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas� �real selves�, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

 

[picture: Axel and Roxas]

 

When Roxas went to Castle Oblivion the memories of his �real selves� made him confused.

 

[picture: Ventus asleep]

 

Ventus asleep in a room in the castle.

 

 

Q3: Is it possible that Roxas has a heart?

A: It is thought that it could be Ventus� heart.

 

In KHII FM there were clues to him having a heart, and in Days we saw Roxas crying--proof that he could have a heart. As was said in Q1, he has taken a lot of himself from Ventus. But perhaps when Sora and Roxas were separated, Ventus� heart stayed in Roxas?

 

[picture: Roxas crying]

 

On Day 357, Roxas cries after losing his friend Xion.

 

[picture: Little Sora and Ventus� heart]

 

Sora links with Ventus to help heal him.

 

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora�s and Ventus� keyblades.

 

Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus� as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

[picture: Roxas and Riku fighting]

 

Roxas awakens his ability to dual-wield with his will to not forget Xion who also wielded a keyblade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Day 74 

Description of the first day Axel saw Xion's face. From this day, due to Roxas' influence, Axel is also able to see Xion as a young girl with black hair. 

 

Day 151 

Xion's state of absorbing Sora's memories through her connection to Roxas changes. The dream of drowning in the ocean is the scene from the opening of Kingdom Hearts I. 

 

Day 194 

Written by Axel, who has learned Xion's true nature from the data left at Castle Oblivion. Axel hides the fact that Xion has gained a will of her own from the Organisation - these details are foreshadowing for Axel's appearance at the meeting on Day 354. 

 

Day 256 

The fact that Xion reflects varying appearances depending on who's looking at her is written here. We can see that she appears as someone else to Xemnas and Xigbar. 

Edited November 3, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Roxas was confirmed to have Ven's heart . Ven's heart wasn't released it stayed in Sora's PHYSICAL BODY AKA ROXAS . He didn't have Ven's memories bc Ven's heart was 'dormant/ asleep'. Sora kept a lot of his memories when he was a 'walking heart' bc he didn't stay a heartless long and Kairi purified him and gave him a human form .. Because of this, Roxas was born a 'zombie ' with no memory of his existence before he was born .- not Sora's or Ven's. Over time , he did start getting Sora's memories and him and Xion were connected and sharing Sora's power back and forth . Xion's keyblade was a replica- not the real thing although her power did come from Sora just like Roxas because they were all connected . Both Roxas and Sora wield Sora's keyblade and Ven's .Ventus and Roxas are NOT the same person . Over time , Roxas was also able to grow his own heart based off his own memories . Xion didn't have Ven's memories either - Xigbar saw Ven bc everyone saw Xion a different way depending on their connection as stated in the secret reports of Days

 

 

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas� body, is Ventus� heart.

 

As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus� heart are linked (P.646). And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

[picture: Little Sora and Ventus� heart]

Ven: �Can I become one with your heart again?�

 

When he was born into the world, he linked with Ventus filling his fractured heart. Many years later, when Ventus was on the verge of disappearing after his fight with Vanitas, Sora took him into his own heart.

 

 

Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his �real self�.

 

Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas� �real selves�, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

 

[picture: Axel and Roxas]

 

When Roxas went to Castle Oblivion the memories of his �real selves� made him confused.

 

[picture: Ventus asleep]

 

Ventus asleep in a room in the castle.

 

 

Q3: Is it possible that Roxas has a heart?

A: It is thought that it could be Ventus� heart.

 

In KHII FM there were clues to him having a heart, and in Days we saw Roxas crying--proof that he could have a heart. As was said in Q1, he has taken a lot of himself from Ventus. But perhaps when Sora and Roxas were separated, Ventus� heart stayed in Roxas?

 

[picture: Roxas crying]

 

On Day 357, Roxas cries after losing his friend Xion.

 

[picture: Little Sora and Ventus� heart]

 

Sora links with Ventus to help heal him.

 

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora�s and Ventus� keyblades.

 

Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus� as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

[picture: Roxas and Riku fighting]

 

Roxas awakens his ability to dual-wield with his will to not forget Xion who also wielded a keyblade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Day 74 

Description of the first day Axel saw Xion's face. From this day, due to Roxas' influence, Axel is also able to see Xion as a young girl with black hair. 

 

Day 151 

Xion's state of absorbing Sora's memories through her connection to Roxas changes. The dream of drowning in the ocean is the scene from the opening of Kingdom Hearts I. 

 

Day 194 

Written by Axel, who has learned Xion's true nature from the data left at Castle Oblivion. Axel hides the fact that Xion has gained a will of her own from the Organisation - these details are foreshadowing for Axel's appearance at the meeting on Day 354. 

 

Day 256 

The fact that Xion reflects varying appearances depending on who's looking at her is written here. We can see that she appears as someone else to Xemnas and Xigbar. 

Well,I guess I was half goofed...sorry

 

But....Ventus's heart went back to Sora in the end when Roxas returned to Sora..right???

 

My point is.....those two are different...they're not the same person

 

Yeah I made a couple of mistakes but they're not the same

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well,I guess I was half goofed...sorry

 

But....Ventus's heart went back to Sora in the end when Roxas returned to Sora..right???

 

My point is.....those two are different...they're not the same person

 

Yeah I made a couple of mistakes but they're not the same

 

Yes . When Roxas reunited with Sora he also returned with Ven's heart too. Also, I agree Roxas and Ven are two separate people like I stated above

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

One of the few wrong things that the KH fanbase likes to believe and will eat anyone for disagreeing with it....is the whole:Roxas is Ventus bullcrap

 

This is just wrong....this is wrong both canonically and logically in terms of the KH mythos

 

And before I go into detail let's just take it one by one  starting with the little things.First, the design.

 

People like to assume that Roxas is Ventus based on the similarity of character design....which is non sense

 

All of what the two shares is just a hairstyle and an outfit he happened to find in his closet and can be changed at any time

 

Also,if you look closely at Roxas;s facial model,his face looks more similar to Sora than Ventus......seriously just do a hair swap with Sora's KH2 model and see what you'll get.

 

Sure maybe Ventus's heart influenced how Roxas's might look but it's so trivial and have nothing to add to the plot except for hinting something that is very obvious...in fact it makes Ventus's design look very lazy as they could've gave him something that makes him look more different

 

If anything,it goes to show the lazy design of Ventus and that Nomura should've thought of an original design of him instead of making them similar to delude you that they're one and the same while nothing in the official canon inside the games confirm such a thing

 

And before you say they have the same voice,a voice actor can voice more than one character in a game,anime or a TV show

 

Jason Griffith voiced both Sonic and Shadow,does that mean Sonic and Shadow are the same??

 

Jaleel White voice Sonic,Manic and even Sonia in the Sonic Underground cartoon.

 

So yeah,the similar voice argument is invalid.

 

Now we can start with the canonical stuff.

 

One:How about the fact that Ventus's body is STILL IN CASTLE OBLIVION...if Roxas was really Ventus,Xemnas would've fully realized that instead of searching the shit out of Castle Oblivion

 

Two:It was never confirmed that Ventus got yet another amnesia as he's still sleeping at Castle Oblivion

 

Three:nothing confirms that Ventus's heart left Sora when he stabbed himself at Hollow Bastion.

 

Four:If Roxas is Ventus,then why did he remembers Sora's memories instead of Ventus's??This won't make any sense.It's like if someday you lost your memory,but instead of regaining your memory you got the memory of a high school girl.

 

Five:If Roxas is Ventus,then why didn't Xemnas add an X to Ventus's name instead of Sora's during the naming ceremony.

 

Six:How about the fact that during his time in the organization,Roxas was WIELDING THE KINGDOM KEY,which is Sora's keyblade,and before you say you can change the keychain,but the design of Ventus's keyblade differs from that of other wielders in terms of how you hold it....yeah Roxas later on will use Oathkeeper and Oblivion for Dualwielding,but those two were also keychains used by Sora in the first game.

 

Seven:How about the fact that most interviews,Ultimania books and even the journals inside the game states that Roxas is Sora's nobody  dozens of times to the point everytime I see a journal entry about this I say:No shit I know that already

 

There are dozens of other reasons that I can state but it'll reach nitpicking at this point.

 

Even if you try to give more similarities ,there are so many differences between the two that proof that the "Roxas is Ventus" Theory is nonsense

tiny add on: Roxas's hair parts to the right, while Ventus's parts to the left.

and also, my belief is Ventus changed Roxas's basic look from him melding with Sora in the BBS opening, and Roxas was using both Sora's and Ventus's Keyblades during dual weild.

So, in that mind frame, Sora uses Ven's Keyblade when HE dual weilds in KH II.

and DAYS mentions the organization looking for a " hidden chamber " in Castle oblivion: this is probably the room ven's sleeping in. KH III might very well involve Ven's awakening as one of the 7 lights.

Aqua, sadly, seems to have ended up as collateral damage, and might never be seen again, and terra's teranort now.

Anyone else ever see a HP connection? 7 safer "holders" for Voldemort's soul, and now the different forms of Ansem....

that's just my humble opinion.

Edited November 5, 2013 by TheTimidLight

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Who still thinks they are the same person? No seriously, who'd get that idea/holds on to it NOW?

I never thought they were, but I guess that's cause I started so late with KH, spoiled myself etc etc etc.

 

Anyway, Flaming Lea saved the day again, so what's left? /o