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the 7 lights and 13 darknesses don't add up (DDD spoilers)

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So at the end of Dream Drop Distance Xehanort was attempting to turn sora into a darkness, only to fail as I'm sure almost everyone here knows. The question is though, if Sora became a darkness then who would've been the other light that replaced him, and since Xehanort failed who will take Sora's place as a darkness, or will Xehanort try again?

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Who says sora is one of the lights in the first place? 

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Who says sora is one of the lights in the first place? 

I'm pretty sure that riku, sora and mickey are already confirmed to be lights, but regardless I couldn't see sora not being a light.

I'm pretty sure that riku, sora and mickey are already confirmed to be lights, but regardless I couldn't see sora not being a light.

Nobody has been confirmed. 

 

I actually think Sora isn't one. Nomura keeps talking about how he is a normal boy and what not. I kinda think he is going to be his own thing. 

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Nobody has been confirmed. 

 

I actually think Sora isn't one. Nomura keeps talking about how he is a normal boy and what not. I kinda think he is going to be his own thing. 

Being one of the lights isn't anything special like a keyblade master. It just means he'll be confronting Xehanorts in a battle meant to create the x-blade

Edited by darkerturbo

I also don't think Sora will be one of the lights. It's too predictable, and Kingdom Hearts is anything but, for the most part. IF Sora was a darkness, I wouldn't mind, but only for him to be a boss fight. I really want to fight against Sora and I want it to be a really tough fight.

Yeah, it's not really specified who will all be the lights and darknesses. It could literally be anyone on either side. The darknesses we saw in DDD could very well be changed. Who knows?

No matter who got who, Pence would've been willing to fill either role- he's an objective party after all

venitus?

I always find it weird how people think it's the guardians of light who have to clash with the darknesses to make the X-blade when in fact its the seven lights (the Princesses of Heart) that are needed to make the X-blade. basically this war that they are going to fight is to protect the princesses and if the guardians fail well then Xehanort will get what he wants and that's the X-blade. The guardians are just to protect the princesses and there can be many of them as I'm sure Xehanort will have more then just the 13 darknesses they will also have the Heartless and the Nobodies fighting as well.  But anyway if Sora did become a Darkness then maybe it would be Lea who would take his place I don't know or the whole first part of Kingdom Hearts 3 will be to get Sora back that would take like at the most an hour and then you play as Sora the rest of the game.  Now as to whose going to take the spot that Sora was going to be as a Darkness who knows we don't even know the rest of the Darknesses Xehanort could corrupt one of the revived Nobodies that we saw in DDD and who knows he probably would've done it anyway with or without Sora. The guardians of light I think aren't really that special they are just glorified bodyguards for the princesses of heart nothing more because like I said I'm sure for the big final battle at the keyblade graveyard or where ever they have it they won't just have seven people go up there to fight 13 plus more. But I always say this we just have to wait until the game comes out to know for sure how things will play out.

Donald would replace him , don't worry .

I always find it weird how people think it's the guardians of light who have to clash with the darknesses to make the X-blade when in fact its the seven lights (the Princesses of Heart) that are needed to make the X-blade. basically this war that they are going to fight is to protect the princesses and if the guardians fail well then Xehanort will get what he wants and that's the X-blade. The guardians are just to protect the princesses and there can be many of them as I'm sure Xehanort will have more then just the 13 darknesses they will also have the Heartless and the Nobodies fighting as well.  But anyway if Sora did become a Darkness then maybe it would be Lea who would take his place I don't know or the whole first part of Kingdom Hearts 3 will be to get Sora back that would take like at the most an hour and then you play as Sora the rest of the game.  Now as to whose going to take the spot that Sora was going to be as a Darkness who knows we don't even know the rest of the Darknesses Xehanort could corrupt one of the revived Nobodies that we saw in DDD and who knows he probably would've done it anyway with or without Sora. The guardians of light I think aren't really that special they are just glorified bodyguards for the princesses of heart nothing more because like I said I'm sure for the big final battle at the keyblade graveyard or where ever they have it they won't just have seven people go up there to fight 13 plus more. But I always say this we just have to wait until the game comes out to know for sure how things will play out.

 

As far as I understand, the Guardians of Light AND the Princesses of Heart are capable of forming the X-blade. All that is needed is 7 "good" people fighting against 13 "bad" people. The Princesses of Heart have X-blade fragments as the foundation of their hearts, but we don't know whether Xehanort's heart is an X-blade fragment or not. I think that Xehanort's Darknesses are substitutions for the Dark Fragments of the X-blade, as are the Guardians of Light for the Light Fragments. If Xehanort can't get 13 Darknesses to fight against 7 Lights he will go after the actual X-blade fragments (the Princesses of Heart and/or the people/Heartless who have the Dark Fragments of the X-blade)..

Edited by atheist123

what if doland & gooby had keyblades?

I still Sora is one the seven lights because he's the main protagonist.

Nobody has been confirmed. 

 

I actually think Sora isn't one. Nomura keeps talking about how he is a normal boy and what not. I kinda think he is going to be his own thing. 

I think you might be right about that. Before the Xemnas battle Sora says "I know the Keyblade didn't choose me, but I'm happy to be part of something bigger- the people it did choose!" So I honestly think that he could be excluded from the Guardians of Light. He kinda seems like a last-minute hero who just happened to be at the right place, at the right time.

When master Xehanort failed to turn Sora into his side, he didn't really get worried as if it didn't concern him. So it is either what happened was under his plans or he had plan B before trying to make Sora in his side. In both ways, master Xehanort seems to be having different plans that we would never easily expect.

Well, as far as im concerned the secret ending of DDD revealed that the Seven Princesses of Heart were the seven ligths. It was supposed to be a shocking revelation that you had to unlock, just like Kairi starting her Keyblade training.

 

Sora, Riku and co., are called the Seven guardians of ligth to protect each one of the princesess, not to be the ligths themeselves. 

But who knows, at the end they could be some kind of replacement.

I think you might be right about that. Before the Xemnas battle Sora says "I know the Keyblade didn't choose me, but I'm happy to be part of something bigger- the people it did choose!" So I honestly think that he could be excluded from the Guardians of Light. He kinda seems like a last-minute hero who just happened to be at the right place, at the right time.

My theory is this. Based off of how the X-blade was forged the last time. Ventus and Vanitas merged into one being. I'm assuming the same will happen when it is created again. This time with the 7 lights and 13 darknesses. Leaving only Sora to fight an all powered up Xehanort. I feel like Nomura has been putting a lot of emphasis on Sora being just a normal kid for a reason. 

This is my personal 7 Lights and 13 Darknesses:

 

LIGHTS: 

 

Sora

Kairi

Riku

Aqua

Ventus

Lea

Mickey

 

DARKNESSES:

 

Master Xehanort

Young Xehanort

Apprentice Xehanort

Terranort (However will sacrifice himself to save either Ventus or Aqua in the Keyblade War)

Xigbar

Saix

Ansem Seeker of Darkness

Xemnas

Vanitas

Xion (Yeah. I'm serious.)

Young Xehanort's Master

Two other Xehanort's spread across time.

As far as I understand, the Guardians of Light AND the Princesses of Heart are capable of forming the X-blade. All that is needed is 7 "good" people fighting against 13 "bad" people. The Princesses of Heart have X-blade fragments as the foundation of their hearts, but we don't know whether Xehanort's heart is an X-blade fragment or not. I think that Xehanort's Darknesses are substitutions for the Dark Fragments of the X-blade, as are the Guardians of Light for the Light Fragments. If Xehanort can't get 13 Darknesses to fight against 7 Lights he will go after the actual X-blade fragments (the Princesses of Heart and/or the people/Heartless who have the Dark Fragments of the X-blade)..

But the thing is the X-blade is made up of 13 pure darknesses and 7 pure lights and there are only 7 people who have pure lights and that's the princesses everyone else has a small piece of darkness in them but like I said just have to see how it will go in Kingdom Hearts 3

If it's not Sora then the Seven may end up being: Riku, Kairi, Aqua, Ventus, Lea, Mickey... and Xion (so that it'll be 3 girls and 4 boys instead of a 2 to 5 ratio). Actually it will be a big surprise for a lot of us if Xion ended up being the seventh as most probably expect Roxas to take that spot if Sora doesn't.

Edited by SkyEmerald

You know I think maybe the showed the 7 lights in the opening of DDD with Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, Ven, and Roxas, I don't know what other reason would they have them appear in the opening at the point

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