So, a few people here, myself included, have this crazy-ass theory that maybe hearts are recycled in KH, as in reincarnation. We know Kindgom Hearts is the source from which all hearts spring and to which all hearts eventually return. We also know that the Princesses of Hearts hearts are the fragments of light from the shattered x-Blade and that Princesses age according to the laws of time in their worlds, as Kairi proves. Now, how could the Princesses of Heart been around from the end of the Keyblade War up to now  if they age? The answer, Reincarnation, the Ansem Reports state the death does indeed exist in KH, "When the soul leaves the body, life gives way to death" so when a body dies, I believe the heart is sent to Kingdom Hearts, wiped clean of all memories, then sent to be reborn into a new vessel.
it has been posited that perhaps Xehanort is the 6th Foreteller, and this would make what Young Xehanort said about Master Xehanort's Keyblade being the "most ancient" ,especially if he somehow recovered the memories of his past life. Pandy Monum expanded on this theory by suggesting that all the Foretellers have been reborn into the current world. Anguis as Aqua, Leopardos as Ven, Unicornis as Riku, Ursus as Terra and Vulpeus as Kairi and I can see why.




Now, I know there's a very large issue with the last one, making it impossible. Namely that, as a PoH, Kairi's heart did not exist pre-Keyblade War and therefore cannot have ever belonged to Vulpeus and personally i think it would be more likely for Ursus to be Aeleus and Unicornis to be Eraqus, Ursus because of their builds and Unicornis because of the association they bot share with light (unicorns are often a symbol of purity, which in turn is associated with light)

Sure there are holes, but that's why it' a theory and not fact. I'd be very interested to hear your opinions on the matter.

Edited February 9, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

This is so interesting. It sort of makes sense. 

Everyone's heart is a reincarnation besides Soras maybe? And that's what made him so special!

Well they do have the same colour schemes

With regards to Kairi, they could explain it away by saying that the pink one created the princesses of heart, or any number of other reasons

Personally REALLY don't want reincarnation further muddyignt he waters of KH's plot

But honestly, it would make sense with the whole "Sora will always be the protagonist" thing

Everyone's heart is a reincarnation besides Soras maybe? And that's what made him so special!

yes, yet again Sora is made special by sheer force of how UN-special he is

Wow this series turned to poop

Well they do have the same colour schemes

With regards to Kairi, they could explain it away by saying that the pink one created the princesses of heart, or any number of other reasons

Personally REALLY don't want reincarnation further muddyignt he waters of KH's plot

But honestly, it would make sense with the whole "Sora will always be the protagonist" thing

yes, yet again Sora is made special by sheer force of how UN-special he is

Not just the color schemes either, the builds too for the most part (except Terra/Ursus like I stated earlier.)Though I admit it's possible that Ursus' muscle mass is exaggerated due to chi's art style but even then it still looks closer to Aeleus than anyone else.,

I wouldn't be a huge fan of that. It adds a ton of unnecessary religious context to the series, not to mention convoluting the plot even more than it already is. (Plus, there are characters like Roxas and Xion who clearly have developed their own hearts, so I don't even know how they would fit into the whole reincarnation deal.)

I wouldn't be a huge fan of that. It adds a ton of unnecessary religious context to the series, not to mention convoluting the plot even more than it already is. (Plus, there are characters like Roxas and Xion who clearly have developed their own hearts, so I don't even know how they would fit into the whole reincarnation deal.)

Like there's not already religious context? The whole Light vs Darkness thing is pretty much the basis for almost every religion ever, and even the x-Blade bears a remarkable resemblance to the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, it even fills the same role.

And yeah they developed their own hearts, but remember Nobodies aren't supposed to exist. If there's only supposed to be a finite number of hearts in the world at any one time, it woudl feed into that. And whose to say that Kingdom Hearts didn't grant them those hearts? It's been implied to have a kind of sentience already,

Not just the color schemes either, the builds too for the most part (except Terra/Ursus like I stated earlier.)

Though I admit it's possible that Ursus' muscle mass is exaggerated due to chi's art style but even then it still looks closer to Aeleus than anyone else.,

Terra's build fits fine, what are you talking about? Broad shoulders, similar musculature wearing a dress

 

I wouldn't be a huge fan of that. It adds a ton of unnecessary religious context to the series, not to mention convoluting the plot even more than it already is. (Plus, there are characters like Roxas and Xion who clearly have developed their own hearts, so I don't even know how they would fit into the whole reincarnation deal.)

there'd actually be some nice religious subversion, where it turns out Sora isn't actually Jesus reincarnated to save us from our sins, but rather some random guy surrounded by multiple Jesi

Terra's build fits fine, what are you talking about? Broad shoulders, similar musculature wearing a dress

 

there'd actually be some nice religious subversion, where it turns out Sora isn't actually Jesus reincarnated to save us from our sins, but rather some random guy surrounded by multiple Jesi

It could, but when you look at how buff Aeleus is... Still, the art style could be distorting it like I said. If only we had 3D models made on the DDD engine to give us a better idea...I'm just saying, both Ursus and Aeleus appear even more muscular than Terra to me. But given how small a role Aeleus, and even Lexaus, plays, i admit Terra makes more sense.

Edited February 9, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Like there's not already religious context? The whole Light vs Darkness thing is pretty much the basis for almost every religion ever, and even the x-Blade bears a remarkable resemblance to the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, it even fills the same role.And yeah they developed their own hearts, but remember Nobodies aren't supposed to exist. If there's only supposed to be a finite number of hearts in the world at any one time, it woudl feed into that. And whose to say that Kingdom Hearts didn't grant them those hearts? It's been implied to have a kind of sentience already,

 

You're right, I should have been more clear- it adds a ton more religious context that to me seems to only confuse things. Is Kingdom Hearts God then? Does it decide who gets reincarnated when and where? Does it work like traditional reincarnation, where some people are evil in one life and are therefore punished in the next? Is Xehanort gonna come back as a fly or something?

 

But my biggest issue is that it would mean no one in the series is their own person. Everyone is just a reincarnation of someone who already existed hundreds of years ago. Whoever you are, someone in the past has already been you. You're not unique. You're not special. No one is. It's really depressing to me.

Ah, I love the sweet smell of theories in the morning...

 

Now,if its actually true...the question remains on who actually knows about this? Xehanort most likely does, but anyone else? Yen Sid better start talking quick....

You're right, I should have been more clear- it adds a ton more religious context that to me seems to only confuse things. Is Kingdom Hearts God then? Does it decide who gets reincarnated when and where? Does it work like traditional reincarnation, where some people are evil in one life and are therefore punished in the next? Is Xehanort gonna come back as a fly or something?

 

But my biggest issue is that it would mean no one in the series is their own person. Everyone is just a reincarnation of someone who already existed hundreds of years ago. Whoever you are, someone in the past has already been you. You're not unique. You're not special. No one is. It's really depressing to me.

I don't see it that way. If all the memories and experiences one person had are wiped away before reincarnation, then the new experiences will shape the heart. A person could wind up with a completely different personality depending on the experiences they have and the connections they make, though some things are, admittedly, inherent. I doubt Sora's sense of justice woudl change no matter who he was, for example. But in the next life, he could be less naive, more cautious and calmer.

Edited February 9, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Wow, this is a very interesting theory!  This could be a possibility!  There's no denying that the Foretellers have very strong resemblances to characters we've seen before, so it would be quite the surprise if they ended up being reincarnations! And if that weren't to be the case, I say that the next best thing to theorize is that Aqua, Ven, Terra, Riku and Kairi are descendants of the Foretellers!

I like the theory to an extent, but if it's true, will it change anything about TAV, Riku or Kairi? I mean sure they'd know they are just reincarnated foretellers but other than now knowing that information, what will it do from there? It's not like they actually are the foretellers. TAV, Riku and Kairi are still themselves with their own thoughts and feelings. Basically, I guess what I'm asking is, what would this revelation do for them? Telling them who they used to be would be irrelevant because who they used to be is not the same person as who they are now, you know? That's just something about the theory that's not clicking for me. All I can see it as is a way to further cement Chi's place in the KH series and why would we want that

This is really interesting...and I FINALLY understand why people don't die when they become heartless...their souls stay with their bodies

But where's Sora?

But where's Sora?

Sora's not special enough to be a reborn Foreteller.

Hey! Everyone is special! Sora is special as everyone else!

I like the theory to an extent, but if it's true, will it change anything about TAV, Riku or Kairi? I mean sure they'd know they are just reincarnated foretellers but other than now knowing that information, what will it do from there? It's not like they actually are the foretellers. TAV, Riku and Kairi are still themselves with their own thoughts and feelings. Basically, I guess what I'm asking is, what would this revelation do for them? Telling them who they used to be would be irrelevant because who they used to be is not the same person as who they are now, you know? That's just something about the theory that's not clicking for me. All I can see it as is a way to further cement Chi's place in the KH series and why would we want that

If Chi's place in the series is more cemented, they may decide to localize it.  It may come quicker.

 

You're right, I should have been more clear- it adds a ton more religious context that to me seems to only confuse things. Is Kingdom Hearts God then? Does it decide who gets reincarnated when and where? Does it work like traditional reincarnation, where some people are evil in one life and are therefore punished in the next? Is Xehanort gonna come back as a fly or something?

 

But my biggest issue is that it would mean no one in the series is their own person. Everyone is just a reincarnation of someone who already existed hundreds of years ago. Whoever you are, someone in the past has already been you. You're not unique. You're not special. No one is. It's really depressing to me.

It doesn't have to add any sort of religious context. Reincarnation and religion do not go hand in hand.

Hey! Everyone is special! Sora is special as everyone else!

No, he's not. Nomura literally said there's nothing special about him.

And if everyone's special, than no one is so..., you just agreed he's not special.

Hey! Everyone is special! Sora is special as everyone else!

Not really. Nomura has stated before that Sora is just a normal boy. Riku, Kairi the rest of them all have something special

If Chi's place in the series is more cemented, they may decide to localize it.  It may come quicker.

 

It doesn't have to add any sort of religious context. Reincarnation and religion do not go hand in hand.

Actually that last bit about Chi was just poking fun at it because I feel like it's whole existence feels so far removed from the KH series' roots, it tries to make the story much more grander than it needs to be, and the fact that it started out as a simple web browser game based on KH lore and yet is now becoming more important with each new update and everytime something from Chi wriggles its way into the KH games we all have access to, it feels forced and tacked on. Like Chi is the snotty nosed stinky kid at the playground that your mom makes you and your friends play with because she doesn't want him to feel left out. The series was doing pretty fine (using that term a bit loosely when considering later entries) and then Chi comes along to throw in a slew of what feels to me like unnecessary plot points. That's why I joked about why would we want to connect Chi to the already established story. Admittedly it's hard to pick up the humor in my original statement so that was my fault. Shoulda added an emoticon

Edited February 9, 201510 yr by Headphone Jack

It doesn't have to add any sort of religious context. Reincarnation and religion do not go hand in hand.

 

They kinda do, really. Reincarnation was a concept first introduced in several ancient religions thousands of years ago; it's heavily based in religious ideology and doctrine. Saying reincarnation isn't religious is like saying churches aren't religious.

 

(Not that I'm trying to get into a debate about religious history here. I'm just saying, it's traditionally a very religious concept.)

Adventure time had it. http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Shoko

 

 

Why not KH?

 

 

 

I personally love this the idea of reincarnation in stories. The idea that a character we know so well was once someone else with a story of their own and that perhaps part of that shaped who they are now. It makes it seem more magical to me.

They kinda do, really. Reincarnation was a concept first introduced in several ancient religions thousands of years ago; it's heavily based in religious ideology and doctrine. Saying reincarnation isn't religious is like saying churches aren't religious.

 

(Not that I'm trying to get into a debate about religious history here. I'm just saying, it's traditionally a very religious concept.)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Reincarnation

 

Many, many stories use it without the creators knowing a thing about the religious part of it.

 

It's become a fantasy concept and a storytelling device. 

Edited February 9, 201510 yr by KittensOnFire

Many, many stories use it without the creators knowing a thing about the religious part of it.

 

It's become a fantasy concept and a storytelling device. 

 

I sincerely doubt any writer worth their own salt just plain doesn't know that reincarnation is a religious thing, but I see your point. Maybe it's just me that can't separate the religious aspect of it, because everyone else seems okay with the theory. It's just seems so fatalist to me, which is not what Kingdom Hearts as a series is about.