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After doing some analzying, there seems to be something that's catching my eye. Here are three details:

 

1) A Riku that "flies" and a Sora that "falls"

2) Sora fights a Twilight Thorn.

3) I swear to god I remeber reading this, but it may have involvment with Organization XIII's Heartlesses.

 

With these three details, I think Kingdom Hearts 3D is reversed Kingdom Hearts. Take away all details about KH3D and focus on these details. Now let me explain.

 

First off, Riku that flies and a Sora that falls? That sounds like Kingdom Hearts 1, except with Riku taking as the hero. Because it would make sense if the logic was appiled to KH1. Sora that flies and Riku that falls. Simple, yes?

 

Now the last two details are quite interesting. KH1 pretty much dealt with Heartless while KH2 dealt with Nobodies. What if the two were switched? Nobodies in KH1 and Heartless in KH2? That would explain a lot, if KH3D was KH reversed. Instead of fighting a Darkside, you fight Twilight Thorn. Instead of fighting Organization XIII, you fight their Heartless verison.

 

Now it would be weird with everything reversed, but what if that's part of the Mark of Mastery test? What if it's to explore what they could of done? A way to make sure that those mistakes that they could of made never happen? Because if you think about it, Riku has control over light and darkness, so there really no way for him to turn evil again. On the other hand, Sora can easily fall to darkness and become evil (I honestly suspect Vanitas involved in this situation). Even if his heart is very strong, darkness can really consume him and he could be Sora no more.

 

That being said, anything could happen if it's reversed. Sora probably never becomes evil, since Ventus' heart is within Sora (Perhaps his heart will stop him from being consumed by the darkness) and the theme is trust. Does Riku help Sora from getting too deep in darkness? I'm not certain how this whole Riku flies/Sora falls truly means, but it definitly seems that this whole this reversed.

 

Thoughts? Questions?

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I was thinking the same thing.

 

Sora even says at the end of KH2, "I think the darkness is getting to me too.."

 

It has always bugged me, because I thought there wasn't any relevance behind it...

 

But with the meaning being Trust, and you playing more as Riku then Sora, it could very well be that Sora gets tempted, maybe by his Jealousy of Riku?

Or Maybe he over stresses himself about needed to save all those people, and goes to an "easy way out".

 

tl;dr I agree. Lol. Nice theory.

and didn't Nomura say in some interview that the Sora of 3D is not one we were familiar with still this is a really good theory

You made perfect sense DeathSkull. I never thought of any of that.

After doing some analzying, there seems to be something that's catching my eye. Here are three details:

 

1) A Riku that "flies" and a Sora that "falls"

2) Sora fights a Twilight Thorn.

3) I swear to god I remeber reading this, but it may have involvment with Organization XIII's Heartlesses.

 

With these three details, I think Kingdom Hearts 3D is reversed Kingdom Hearts. Take away all details about KH3D and focus on these details. Now let me explain.

 

First off, Riku that flies and a Sora that falls? That sounds like Kingdom Hearts 1, except with Riku taking as the hero. Because it would make sense if the logic was appiled to KH1. Sora that flies and Riku that falls. Simple, yes?

Could be, but i remember reading a quote somewhere that can either help this theory, or help disprove it.

 

 

Tetsuya Nomura revealed in an interview that the "Sora" here will not be the person players will grow with; they will grow with a less familiar character.

 

 

Notice how he uses quotations when he talks about Sora, meaning that this game's Sora might not be the real Sora, like Coded's Sora. And I'm not so sure that he means that you'll be playing as Riku. With that being said, though, its entirely possible that you control Riku for certain situations.

 

Now the last two details are quite interesting. KH1 pretty much dealt with Heartless while KH2 dealt with Nobodies. What if the two were switched? Nobodies in KH1 and Heartless in KH2? That would explain a lot, if KH3D was KH reversed. Instead of fighting a Darkside, you fight Twilight Thorn. Instead of fighting Organization XIII, you fight their Heartless verison.

 

Now it would be weird with everything reversed, but what if that's part of the Mark of Mastery test? What if it's to explore what they could of done? A way to make sure that those mistakes that they could of made never happen? Because if you think about it, Riku has control over light and darkness, so there really no way for him to turn evil again. On the other hand, Sora can easily fall to darkness and become evil (I honestly suspect Vanitas involved in this situation). Even if his heart is very strong, darkness can really consume him and he could be Sora no more.

 

That being said, anything could happen if it's reversed. Sora probably never becomes evil, since Ventus' heart is within Sora (Perhaps his heart will stop him from being consumed by the darkness) and the theme is trust. Does Riku help Sora from getting too deep in darkness? I'm not certain how this whole Riku flies/Sora falls truly means, but it definitely seems that this whole this reversed.

All very valid points. Since we know so little about 3D's plot, except for the fact that it focuses on their MoM, anything's possible, i guess. But i thought you might want to read this.

 

 

Nomura has said in an interview that these scenes are not from the actual game, but rather, "The trailer merely portrayed the overall feeling of the game."

 

 

So if what Nomura said is true, the scenes from the closed 3D trailer are not from the game.

 

 

and didn't Nomura say in some interview that the Sora of 3D is not one we were familiar with still this is a really good theory

 

He did, but I'm not so sure that he means Riku by saying that. Although if he doesn't mean Riku, there has to be one other character that we've seen in a KH game before, but didn't have an important role.

...What if it's Roxas?

 

It makes sense, him being his Nobod. and all...

And there's one more person I think might be this "Sora", but I'm not finding any reasons for it...

Nice theory I never thought about that ^^

that would be awesome

Notice how he uses quotations when he talks about Sora, meaning that this game's Sora might not be the real Sora, like Coded's Sora. And I'm not so sure that he means that you'll be playing as Riku. With that being said, though, its entirely possible that you control Riku for certain situations.

 

It was confirmed that you play as Riku as well as Sora, but as for the growing with the character part, it doesn't necessarily need to be a character we play as all the time. It could be a character that is on the sidelines but still important.

Best Theory. I agree with the "Riku becoming hero, Sora falling to the darkness" part with Vanitas.

Wow....just...wow

I remember in re:com when Axel and Larxene were talking,Axel mention "only two were able to"(something like that).He was mention Sora and someone else who I think might be Ansem sod.I'm still confused on the Organization's heartless part.

Reminds me of a pretty old theory where someone on Gamefaqs claimed that the screenshots for 3D from E3 featured a flipped Sora, indicating a mirror world of some sorts.

 

Anyways, pretty interesting theory there ^^

I remember in re:com when Axel and Larxene were talking,Axel mention "only two were able to"(something like that).He was mention Sora and someone else who I think might be Ansem sod.I'm still confused on the Organization's heartless part.

 

I will kill your doubt. She said that because Sora turned into a heartless but he still kept his feeling he wasn

First off, Riku that flies and a Sora that falls? That sounds like Kingdom Hearts 1, except with Riku taking as the hero. Because it would make sense if the logic was appiled to KH1. Sora that flies and Riku that falls. Simple, yes?

 

No? In KH1, Sora does nothing but fall, and there is certainly no flying. besides, it's a pretty big jump from that one fact, to complete role reversal. In fact, wasn't that what Tetsuya brought up when talking about ways to use the 3DS technology?

Now the last two details are quite interesting. KH1 pretty much dealt with Heartless while KH2 dealt with Nobodies. What if the two were switched? Nobodies in KH1 and Heartless in KH2? That would explain a lot, if KH3D was KH reversed. Instead of fighting a Darkside, you fight Twilight Thorn. Instead of fighting Organization XIII, you fight their Heartless version.

 

KH2 had mostly heartless to fight, considering the Organization was controlling them. It's like a 48/52 split. And Nomura just talked about how we might see the Organization Heartless, not that the entire game would be about that.

 

Now it would be weird with everything reversed, but what if that's part of the Mark of Mastery test? What if it's to explore what they could of done? A way to make sure that those mistakes that they could of made never happen? Because if you think about it, Riku has control over light and darkness, so there really no way for him to turn evil again. On the other hand, Sora can easily fall to darkness and become evil (I honestly suspect Vanitas involved in this situation). Even if his heart is very strong, darkness can really consume him and he could be Sora no more.

 

What good is a test that completely alters your personality and gets Rikue and Sora to fight each other? Why does controlling light and darkness make someone exempt from turning evil? It's not like a person power orientation has an effect on whose side they fought for. And if this is completely reworking things in reverse, why would Riku still have light and darkness powers anyways? Oh, and then Vanitas possesses Sora and makes him evil. Because KH needs to seem even more like a bad fanfiction at this point.

That being said, anything could happen if it's reversed. Sora probably never becomes evil, since Ventus' heart is within Sora (Perhaps his heart will stop him from being consumed by the darkness) and the theme is trust. Does Riku help Sora from getting too deep in darkness? I'm not certain how this whole Riku flies/Sora falls truly means, but it definitly seems that this whole this reversed.

 

Thoughts? Questions?

 

What does Ventus' heart have to do with falling to darkness? Besides, we don't know if Vens heart is still just in Sora, or has actually fused with his own, hanks to Roxas. Why are you so sure about Sora falling to darkness?

'Definitely' is a strong word.

Especially with so little evidence.

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No? In KH1, Sora does nothing but fall, and there is certainly no flying. besides, it's a pretty big jump from that one fact, to complete role reversal. In fact, wasn't that what Tetsuya brought up when talking about ways to use the 3DS technology?

 

How do you know? Stop going around and saying, "Sora did this and that." There's no vital proof within your post, so therefore, no need to try to argue. It just makes you look like an idiot.

 

Nomura brought up ways to use the 3DS technology, but it said he WANTED a Riku that flies and a Sora that falls.

 

KH2 had mostly heartless to fight, considering the Organization was controlling them. It's like a 48/52 split. And Nomura just talked about how we might see the Organization Heartless, not that the entire game would be about that.

 

I need to rephrase my words better.

 

But I never said Organization's Heartless are going to be the main topic. It was just a thought that came to me if they happen to appear, helping prove the Reversal theory.

 

What good is a test that completely alters your personality and gets Rikue and Sora to fight each other? Why does controlling light and darkness make someone exempt from turning evil? It's not like a person power orientation has an effect on whose side they fought for. And if this is completely reworking things in reverse, why would Riku still have light and darkness powers anyways? Oh, and then Vanitas possesses Sora and makes him evil. Because KH needs to seem even more like a bad fanfiction at this point.

 

Being reversed doesn't mean it alters your personality completely, and it's not going to get Riku and Sora to fight, unless one became evil, most likely Sora.

 

Why? Because what if Sora gets consumed by darkness? He won't be able to control it, he has no experience (or minimum I should say). That's the thing you don't clearly understand. It has nothing to do with the fact that you need both light and darkness. But you need a balance between them. If you're all light and no darkness, then what would happen if you faced the strongest presence of darkness ever? You probably wouldn't be able to take it down with control. You can favor for light, but that doesn't mean you have to be all light or vice versa. You need both or it's no cigar for you.

 

Oh and bringing up fanfiction into this to prove a point? Even though it contains no relevance to actual canon? Dude, you're awesome. Clearly you can't be a jackass and be logical at the same time, huh? Guess not. And like you can tell from good fanfiction from bad fanfiction. You don't write any on here, so wanna stop being a hypocrite?

 

What does Ventus' heart have to do with falling to darkness? Besides, we don't know if Vens heart is still just in Sora, or has actually fused with his own, hanks to Roxas. Why are you so sure about Sora falling to darkness?

'Definitely' is a strong word.

Especially with so little evidence.

 

Have you ever considered brushing up on key terms?

 

Possibly

Perhaps

Probably

Seems

 

I didn't take any statement and make it seem like it's proof. That's why I stuck one of these words in there to show that there could be a chance of that happening. Seriously, learn to read.

 

What evidence? There's only so little info on this game that it's already hard enough to make one theory, but it's tougher to keep going through the ideas.

You are a pretty angry person, you know that?

 

No? In KH1, Sora does nothing but fall, and there is certainly no flying. besides, it's a pretty big jump from that one fact, to complete role reversal. In fact, wasn't that what Tetsuya brought up when talking about ways to use the 3DS technology?

 

How do you know? Stop going around and saying, "Sora did this and that." There's no vital proof within your post, so therefore, no need to try to argue. It just makes you look like an idiot.

 

Nomura brought up ways to use the 3DS technology, but it said he WANTED a Riku that flies and a Sora that falls.

Yes, he wanted to use 3DS technology to have Riku fly and Sora fall. So if he's using 3D technology yo do that, why would it have any effect on the role reversal? If anything, it'd be a gameplay mechanic.

 

KH2 had mostly heartless to fight, considering the Organization was controlling them. It's like a 48/52 split. And Nomura just talked about how we might see the Organization Heartless, not that the entire game would be about that.

 

I need to rephrase my words better.

 

But I never said Organization's Heartless are going to be the main topic. It was just a thought that came to me if they happen to appear, helping prove the Reversal theory.

Fair enough

 

What good is a test that completely alters your personality and gets Rikue and Sora to fight each other? Why does controlling light and darkness make someone exempt from turning evil? It's not like a person power orientation has an effect on whose side they fought for. And if this is completely reworking things in reverse, why would Riku still have light and darkness powers anyways? Oh, and then Vanitas possesses Sora and makes him evil. Because KH needs to seem even more like a bad fanfiction at this point.

 

Being reversed doesn't mean it alters your personality completely, and it's not going to get Riku and Sora to fight, unless one became evil, most likely Sora.

I just can't understadn why Sorais such a likely candidate for becoming evil.

 

Why? Because what if Sora gets consumed by darkness? He won't be able to control it, he has no experience (or minimum I should say). That's the thing you don't clearly understand. It has nothing to do with the fact that you need both light and darkness. But you need a balance between them. If you're all light and no darkness, then what would happen if you faced the strongest presence of darkness ever? You probably wouldn't be able to take it down with control. You can favor for light, but that doesn't mean you have to be all light or vice versa. You need both or it's no cigar for you.

Sora didn't have much trouble controlling Darkness in Anti-Form... Also, if that's he case, explain Princesses of heart?

 

Oh and bringing up fanfiction into this to prove a point? Even though it contains no relevance to actual canon? Dude, you're awesome. Clearly you can't be a jackass and be logical at the same time, huh? Guess not. And like you can tell from good fanfiction from bad fanfiction. You don't write any on here, so wanna stop being a hypocrite?

Kingdom Hearts is bad fanfiction with a high budget. Also, you really didn't read my post if you thought I was talking about internet fanfiction. It's just that Vanitas possessing Sora is the same kind of plot point I'd expect to see in a bad fanfiction, and I would prefer KH have as few fanfiction elements as possible

 

What does Ventus' heart have to do with falling to darkness? Besides, we don't know if Vens heart is still just in Sora, or has actually fused with his own, hanks to Roxas. Why are you so sure about Sora falling to darkness?

'Definitely' is a strong word.

Especially with so little evidence.

 

Have you ever considered brushing up on key terms?

 

Possibly

Perhaps

Probably

Implies it is very likely true

Seems

 

I didn't take any statement and make it seem like it's proof. That's why I stuck one of these words in there to show that there could be a chance of that happening. Seriously, learn to read.

Those are words a person can fall back on when a person responds to another's theory. The fact of the matter is, there's nothing to say if I have to treat things you say as 50/50 sure you say possibly and such, but I can only respond to a yes or no, it seems like a safe bet that you support your own theory, doesn't it?

 

What evidence? There's only so little info on this game that it's already hard enough to make one theory, but it's tougher to keep going through the ideas.

There's so little info, so a theory should be grounded in a hard basis of fact, or not exist at all. Sure, a person can make all sorts of claim about what the story will be (And ignore any criticism by using words like Possibly, Perhaps, Probably and Seems) but with so little to go on, there's next to no chance it'll be anywhere near the truth. So don't act like it is, and don't respond so violently to criticism. Criticism is a way to work with your theory, eliminating improbability, and overall improving it.

 

To quote Sora 'Yeesh'

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