Ok, I've read so many things about how xion is a Mary sue (which I didn't even know what it was so I looked it up) and I think she is not! But while I looked it up I four something.

I've never seen anyone say this but I'm tied of every on putting the sue adjective on xion so here's one for some one else.

If Xion is a Mary sue then kairi is a victim sue!

 

The Victim!Sue is your whiny, wimpy, pathetic female character who can't seem to do much of anything except cry and get herself into trouble that the romantic interest of the fic has to rescue her from. Take that!

But you can't really deny that the storyline doesn't even need Xion. Take "her" out of the equation, and you don't really miss anything....Xion, is not really needed....at all. .w.

 

"The Victim!Sue is your whiny, wimpy, pathetic female character who can't seem to do much of anything except cry and get herself into trouble that the romantic interest of the fic has to rescue her from."

 

...Kairi has yet to whine....wimpy, maybe, but she did fight for like 5 minutes...so there goes that. She's only cried once...but for good reason. "romantic interest of the fic..." KH is not a fic....so there goes that one too. .w. That last one though, can't really argue with. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-cool.png

Ilu xion. ;;

BUt yeah, All female characters have basically the same story. In a way. But Xion is awesome.

But by saying someone else is also a sue Doesn't remove the fact that Xion might be one. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif

And people saying she's a plot device... She is, technically, but she's part of her own story, Roxas's story, etc. She was really well-written, a good idea, she has many fans(like me), and her personality is just beautiful. She is everything ^\\o//^

Okay for me, I've always felt this argument was from AkuRoku and/or RokuNami fans because they don't like Xion. Or people that haven’t played the game (or have only seen the cutscenes) and don’t know her at all. Sorry, but it's true. You've got to admit she's the most hated character for stupid reasons.

 

Also, I really don't think she is a Mary-Sue. Give me any reason she is, and I can combat it. Also, let's face it: a TON of the Kingdom Hearts characters could be labeled as a Mary-Sue or Gary-Stu.

 

And for those that say Xion was unneeded in Days, I'll admit that you have some points. But you're forgetting that she will most likely be in KH3 and/or BbSV2. I think there is real importance to Xion, but we just don't see what it is yet.

 

I'm sorry, but Xion is one of my favorite characters. One of the best characters in my opinion: diverse, out of the box, realistic... I really love her character development. And for anyone that says Xion doesn't have her own personality, she totally does!

 

She’s childish and/or innocent (mostly because she was learning things for the first time), and she gets excited quite easily. Like the idea of going to the beach and hearing the ocean made her really happy.

 

Though the cutscenes paint her as sad all the time, that’s really not the case. She’s sweet, and happy most of the time. And she can be somewhat blunt because she doesn’t know better (like how she’d poke fun at Axel’s catchphrase).

 

Actually, going along with that, she kind of has a sarcastic sense of humor. Things she says are funny because she says them at the right time. She’s self-conscious though (mainly because of Saïx). And she’s shy around people she doesn’t know very well.

 

She also has a bit of a rebellious side and is quite strong physically, mentally, and emotionally (mainly through all the bad knowledge she had to carry). And she cared about her friends more than anything. She would always do right by them.

 

She's also selfless. One of my favorite moments in Days, that shows how selfless she is, is when Roxas is all mad at Axel for attacking her, but she defends him. She tells Roxas that Axel’s his best friend, and Roxas argues, “So are you,” and then Xion says, “'Roxas, I wouldn't be sitting here with you if Axel hadn't done that.”

 

To go from someone who didn’t know anything to someone that can be so self-sacrificing is amazing to me. And she cares so much for Roxas (I really think he’s the reason she stays in the Organization most of the time), but to do right by him, she has to give up her hold on him completely. She even sets it up so that Naminé can be there for him.

 

I just… I don’t think I could have done all of that if I were her. It’s just so sad! Especially since Roxas’ worst nightmare was ever losing his memories of Axel and Xion. And I swear there are moments in KH2 when he subconsciously remembers her (when he falls off the clock tower the exact way she does, when he’s using that stick as a sword, when he wants to go to the beach with his friends). I wonder how things would have gone if Roxas had had a better idea of what was going on. If Xion didn’t carry such a burden.

 

One of my favorite parts in Days is when Roxas says, “Usually, I do all the worrying over you. I don’t think it’s ever been the other way around before.” I love how Xion gets mad about it. This is one of my favorite Xion moments and we really see all she’s going through, and the decisions she has to make. Xion: “Well, for your information… I worry about you all the time, Roxas.”

 

Gosh I love her! To have everything you ever wanted, and then to realize you could never really have it is, so sad. Imagine how it would feel to pretty much be killing the person you care about most by simply being alive… and yet people bash her all the time for stupid reasons, and don’t give a single thought to all she had to go through.

 

I'm sorry, but Xion is an AMAZING character. And I don't take kindly to people bashing her, Days (one of my favorite KH games), or RokuShi (one of my fav KH pairings). She is so much more useful than Kairi and somewhat Naminé (and I love all of the girls so this means a lot coming from me), and she can fight! Grr. I love her, and people are so irritating! KH needs more worthwhile girls; lay off her!

To kishira sama, how can u say the plot could work with out her?! She is the practically the whole reason Roxas left the organization. If xion wasn't there and we left the story as it was before her, then we have no real explanation for why Roxas left. I know he said in kh2 that he wanted to find out why the keyboard chose him and that's part of the reason too, but xion had something to do with that too. The whole reason at that point he was going to the castle was to release the hearts in kingdom hearts; like xion asked him to. So with out her, he wouldn't have even been heading that way. Ive never been able to see why people say the plot could work with out her. She has so much to do with how kh2 started and why it started out that way, how could you say it would work out with out her? The beginning of kh2 would be totally different if xion wasn't there. Tension with axel and Roxas would've never been there; which led to Roxas not trusting axel which led to him wanting to leave the organization.

 

If Xion hadn't been there and the memories in Roxas transferred to Roxas after he killed her, then Riku may not have needed to capture Roxas to fix soras memories. Namine said that if the memories flowed into xion then she might not be able to get them back to sora.

And alot of people can and will deny the the story doesnt need her.

 

I just can't see (unless ur akuroku or something) why people hate her. She is the most selfless character in the series. She sacrificed her self so her friend could keep living. So sora, could stop organization 13 who needed to be stopped. Would any of u let your selves die if you were in her shoes?

And what's with the quotes on she? Xion is a girl! She turned into sora because organization 13 reprogramed her and all after axel caught her at the mansion and the process of her copying Roxas memories and basicly cloning another sora was almost complete. If you read the days novels, alot of questions get answered and thongs u never would've guessed come into the light.

 

And yes I know kh isnt a fix but the Mary sue thing applys to fics as well. The place where I found the definition even had the age groups of kids who usually end up making Mary sue characters. It goes both ways.

I don't ship any KH pairings (especially not AkuRoku or RokuNami) and I still think she's a Sue.

 

Personally, she reminds me of all the other bad Organization-Sue fanfics I've read.

 

and @Fates Chance, Xion is technically genderless. /nitpicky

Before 358/2 Days ever happend, Roxas left the organization to find out why he was chosen by the Keyblade, which lead him to find Sora; He wasn't going to come quietly when he ran into Riku, so they would've fought regardless. We were also led to believe that Axel was just trying to look out for Roxas, and to bring him back from his crazy suicidal mission to find Sora. (not an Akuroku fan whatsoever)

Imagine for a moment, if Days had stuck to its word and actually have it involve Roxas' side of the story, with no Xion. It could still work out. Roxas would still be used, he'd still get those wierd dreams about that kid he's never met, he'd still get more and more curious about who that guy is, he'd still ask Axel who he is, he'd still get pissed after not getting answers, and he'd still storm out and try to find out these answers on his own. And ya gotta remember, one of the people on the KH team just wanted a female character with black hair and Nomura went along with it....in a nutshell. =/

And as said above me, Xion is technically genderless; intended to be a Roxas/Sora clone (which last time I checked, were boys.) and slowly forms female features; either Xion's a veryfeminine dude, or "she's" both....or neither. =/

 

Now Xion as character, I don't have a huge gigantic issue with; I'm mostly neutral. Even if they cleverly included Xion into the story to where it makes the most perfect sense ever....it doesn't completely change the fact that "she" wasn't essential to the storyline. But since SE have already banged the hammer and made things the way they are, who really gives a shit? .w.

ehhh xion isnt really important shes with the riku replica not a real member of the orginazation

ehhh xion isnt really important shes with the riku replica not a real member of the orginazation

 

But Repli wasn't a memeber to begin with....or did you mean they're both in the clone/replica club? f;awedfjhae;woif*explosion of confusion* @A@!!

Okay, Days still wouldn't have worked without her; you still need a main boss and villain (Xion fell into that, but it wasn't her fault). Without Xion, the game would have seemed fragmented. Also, everything has to connect to Sora. Sora has to play a huge role. Xion highly filled that purpose in Days, and I think she and Sora's connection will be important later on.

 

Also, Xion is technically genderless. But I still see her as a girl. I think if she hadn't been needed to fill a certain part, Nomura would have made her, indisputably, a girl. Reasons why...

 

1. "Kairi" is her base form. A lot of the time she looks like a girl.

 

2. She took on Kairi's personality. This was all the time; she always acted like a girl.

 

3. Nomura often refers to Xion as a girl.

 

4. Nomura wanted Roxas to leave the Organization because of the loss of a member. As the member was someone Roxas cared about, Nomura thought it best that the person should be a girl.

 

5. There's a chance that Xion will be brought back as her own person in KH3. In which case she'll officially be a girl.

 

If you ask me, Kairi's the true Mary-Sue of the series. Seriously, take away her Princess of Heart status and the fact that she's Sora's love interest, and what do you have? You don't really have anything. You never really see her with Riku...

 

She's in the games less and less, and she's just added space in the games she is in. Seriously, in KH1 she was comatose most of the time. KH2: she was kidnapped most of the time. She wasn't physically in CoM. She wasn't in Days, wasn't in Coded really. She was in BbS, but people are discrediting that she got a Keyblade then.

 

Yeah... there's a lot more substance to Xion than Kairi. Kairi has no character development, and she's supposed to be the main girl! She doesn't even look like she's going to be in 3D much!

 

I don't understand how fans of KH can complain about new games (just because they're not KH3). Or new characters! KH needs more, good characters, and Xion is one of them! Days is the most emotional KH game. It has some of the best, realistic relationships between people. So take it as it is!

 

Edit: Don't hate Xion because fans predicted something Nomura did. Those fanfics shouldn't even legally exist. Don't hate Xion for something that has nothing to do with her.

 

Also, I don't get why so many fans complain! People love Roxas! Most people were ecstatic to get to play his story. If it weren't for Xion, that chance never would have arisen! Stop being so absurd! If you think you can do better in a story, publish your own novel! Sheesh.

Okay for me, I've always felt this argument was from AkuRoku and/or RokuNami fans because they don't like Xion. Or people that haven’t played the game (or have only seen the cutscenes) and don’t know her at all. Sorry, but it's true. You've got to admit she's the most hated character for stupid reasons.

 

Also, I really don't think she is a Mary-Sue. Give me any reason she is, and I can combat it. Also, let's face it: a TON of the Kingdom Hearts characters could be labeled as a Mary-Sue or Gary-Stu.

 

And for those that say Xion was unneeded in Days, I'll admit that you have some points. But you're forgetting that she will most likely be in KH3 and/or BbSV2. I think there is real importance to Xion, but we just don't see what it is yet.

 

I'm sorry, but Xion is one of my favorite characters. One of the best characters in my opinion: diverse, out of the box, realistic... I really love her character development. And for anyone that says Xion doesn't have her own personality, she totally does!

 

She’s childish and/or innocent (mostly because she was learning things for the first time), and she gets excited quite easily. Like the idea of going to the beach and hearing the ocean made her really happy.

 

Though the cutscenes paint her as sad all the time, that’s really not the case. She’s sweet, and happy most of the time. And she can be somewhat blunt because she doesn’t know better (like how she’d poke fun at Axel’s catchphrase).

 

Actually, going along with that, she kind of has a sarcastic sense of humor. Things she says are funny because she says them at the right time. She’s self-conscious though (mainly because of Saïx). And she’s shy around people she doesn’t know very well.

 

She also has a bit of a rebellious side and is quite strong physically, mentally, and emotionally (mainly through all the bad knowledge she had to carry). And she cared about her friends more than anything. She would always do right by them.

 

She's also selfless. One of my favorite moments in Days, that shows how selfless she is, is when Roxas is all mad at Axel for attacking her, but she defends him. She tells Roxas that Axel’s his best friend, and Roxas argues, “So are you,” and then Xion says, “'Roxas, I wouldn't be sitting here with you if Axel hadn't done that.”

 

To go from someone who didn’t know anything to someone that can be so self-sacrificing is amazing to me. And she cares so much for Roxas (I really think he’s the reason she stays in the Organization most of the time), but to do right by him, she has to give up her hold on him completely. She even sets it up so that Naminé can be there for him.

 

I just… I don’t think I could have done all of that if I were her. It’s just so sad! Especially since Roxas’ worst nightmare was ever losing his memories of Axel and Xion. And I swear there are moments in KH2 when he subconsciously remembers her (when he falls off the clock tower the exact way she does, when he’s using that stick as a sword, when he wants to go to the beach with his friends). I wonder how things would have gone if Roxas had had a better idea of what was going on. If Xion didn’t carry such a burden.

 

One of my favorite parts in Days is when Roxas says, “Usually, I do all the worrying over you. I don’t think it’s ever been the other way around before.” I love how Xion gets mad about it. This is one of my favorite Xion moments and we really see all she’s going through, and the decisions she has to make. Xion: “Well, for your information… I worry about you all the time, Roxas.”

 

Gosh I love her! To have everything you ever wanted, and then to realize you could never really have it is, so sad. Imagine how it would feel to pretty much be killing the person you care about most by simply being alive… and yet people bash her all the time for stupid reasons, and don’t give a single thought to all she had to go through.

 

I'm sorry, but Xion is an AMAZING character. And I don't take kindly to people bashing her, Days (one of my favorite KH games), or RokuShi (one of my fav KH pairings). She is so much more useful than Kairi and somewhat Naminé (and I love all of the girls so this means a lot coming from me), and she can fight! Grr. I love her, and people are so irritating! KH needs more worthwhile girls; lay off her!

 

*a million likes*

Also, I don't get why so many fans complain! People love Roxas! Most people were ecstatic to get to play his story. If it weren't for Xion, that chance never would have arisen! Stop being so absurd! If you think you can do better in a story, publish your own novel! Sheesh.

 

That's exactly why: People wanted to play Roxas's story. They wanted a game about Roxas. Nooot Xion. Roxas.

That's exactly why: People wanted to play Roxas's story. They wanted a game about Roxas. Nooot Xion. Roxas.

 

 

^ Exaclty. :lol:

 

*But I don't care for the Organization or Roxas, so that's a big reason why I didn't like Days anyway. xDD *

Xion is not a Mary Sue, but I will admit she is extremely Mary Sue-ish. I think that Kairi is useless and annoying, but that's just my opinion. If she were real, we wouldn't get along. Xion on the other hand is a sweet heart, and I think she's awesome, but I don't really like her, per se.

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Picture with me. A man, long brown hair, and a beard. He comes into the earth without a human father. As this man grows up, it quickly becomes apparent that he is the epitome of perfect: kind, generous, humble, and unlike every other living soul on the blue planet known as earth, he has magical powers and is the son of a god. He spends endless hours imparting seemingly heavenly wisdom to everyone who follows him and his new faith, and he heals people both body and mind. Know who I'm talking about (We'll call him Jesus)

 

Now look at his life. Look at how he came back to life. Look at how he was perfect in virtually every way. Now treat the bible like a novel (despite the heresy in that request). By the definition of the Mary-Sue (the one saying that they have no flaws, and the one used by the Litmus test) he is a Mary-Sue. NOT JESUS! NOOOOOOOO! I have shaken the very foundation of your christian faith. All these years! All of them. You've believed in a MARY-SUE! (well, a Gary-Stu). HOW CAN THIS BE?! *a mob forms to burn down the church*

 

WAIT! WAIT! He's not a Mary-Sue (well, Gary-Stu!) I MEAN IT! He's NOT! I swear it to you.

 

So then, now that I've called Jesus a Mary-Sue and the entire foundation of the Christian church a terrible, evil, and vile creation of writing and probably committed the worst sort of sins imaginable *looks to sky for lightning bolts,* I'm going to teach you why I did not just do any of that.

 

The reason is simple: the definition of a Mary-Sue that calls Jesus a Gary-Stu is not the real definition of a Mary-Sue. *mob puts down the torches and sit quietly like good little children to listen to what the real definition is*

 

Alright, let's adress this question: Why does the definition of a Mary-Sue that says that a Mary-Sue is a perfect character without any flaws not work? Why? Well it's simple, a Mary-Sue is not a problem with characterization, it's a problem with setting (and I've recently come to the realization that bad reasoning is also a determinant of Mary-Sue) but characterization is a problem entirely independant of Mary-Sue. You may now gasp. *gasp*

 

So then, what is a Mary-Sue, and how can I be so sure. Well, the answer is simple, a perfect character (such as Jesus) is not a Mary-Sue. How do I know? Because everyone adores the Mary-Sue (in their world at least) everyone loves them despite that hideous scar and missing eye and the terrible peg leg that clicks every time they step. But Jesus, HE GOT NAILED TO A CROSS AND KILLED! (Which reminds me of my favorite quote from House: "Don't pin this on Jesus, he has enough nails in him" He can't be a Mary-Sue (well, Gary-Stu) because people HATED HIM! KILLED HIM! According to the very definition of a Mary-Sue that claims that he is perfect and a Mary-Sue, he is not. It contradicts itself. That definition is a paradox, and I have come to realize why: it isn't true. Jesus isn't a Mary-Sue (well, Gary-Stu) because despite being perfect, he was hated by some people and killed for it.

 

Okay. So, now that I've proven that even a perfect character can be a non-Mary-Sue, you have to ask what a real Mary-Sue is. Well it's simple: a Mary-Sue is a problem in setting or reasoning. If everyone in the world adores the Mary-Sue despite the fact that she is missing an eye and has a horrible disfiguring scar (that only improves her looks) on her face, that is not because of her. That's not poor characterization on her part. She's missing a god-forsaken eye! Don't blame her. Blame EVERYONE ELSE IN THE STORY! They are what makes her a Mary-Sue. The reason she is a Mary-Sue is because every other character (who interact with her, and thus fall under setting) loves her despite her flaws. They are the problem, not her. They are the ones who ruin the story, not her. She could be a perfectly good character if they would stop adoring the poor cyclops.

 

And how is reasoning a problem: Well, that girl whose so hot every guy in the world wants to have sex with her for all eternity (I'm talking about Angelina Jolie... just kidding people, just kidding) has to work to get her awesome appearance. She either has to A) Not eat. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.png Go to the gym all the time. Or C) Have plastic surgery and lyposuction. If she does none of these, then there is a problem in the reasoning behind her character, but not a problem in her characterization. She is a Mary-Sue because the author didn't have the brains to realize that everything would be just fine if she went to the gym everyday.

 

You people (WF in general) keep asking "Is my character a Mary-Sue" and then you give us a list of strengths and flaws and expect us to help you? We can't. Your character could have 100 "flaws" and still be a Mary-Sue. Why? Becuase as I've illustrated (well, typed) a Mary-Sue is a problem in setting and reasoning.

 

And in order to explain even further why I hate the idea of the Mary-Sue in the WF: these strengths and flaws mean nothing. Everyone says "give them some flaws." What? Flaws and strengths don't exist. They don't. They were used in RPs to give a sense of control and tameness to the characters so that people don't have awesome character, these flaws and strengths have no place in original fiction (niether does the Mary-Sue to be truthful). In original fiction, we have something called a "trait" and that trait acts as either a flaw or a strength. You want to combat a Mary-Sue, you want to fix them, there is only two ways to do it, neither of which involve wasting time coming up with a crux or a flaw that ruins their character and the story.

 

You gave them some cool traits right? Some good ones that define them as a character. Now, take those traits, and find a way to use them in a positive light. They are full of pride, have a women love this man because he's so confident. Have her love the aura he has becuase he walks with such perfect poise and this great smile and this awesome "I don't care what you think because I'm great" attitude. She loves him for it. What a strength! Now write this same personality TRAIT as a flaw. Have him in a contest with somebody and losing. Have him angry, angry and arrogant because he's losing. Have his attitude get the best of him. Both arrogance and confidence stem from the same trait: pride. You've just sucessful won a battle against a Mary-Sue (well, Gary-Stu) The other way involves making this reasonable. With the example above about Angelina Jolie the hot woman who never exercises. Make her go to a gym. Problem solved.

 

And just to give you one more example: Edward Scissorhands (thanks to Workplace Boredom for the idea to use him as an example in one of the two previous threads that failed). Those scissory hands are a strength or a flaw, but a trait. Think about it: If he was trying to fight someone hand to hand, those scissory hands are going to pwn the other person like no tomorrow. One could swipe and the opponent is dead. Done. Great strength right? Wait a second, he's in the hospital, next to his wife (who apparently is a masochist because she doesn't mind him cutting her) and she gives birth to his newborn son. Cute little guy, all small and adorable. He's got your eyes, and your hair. OH DAMN! You cut off his head with your horrible hands. NO NO NO! You killed our baby. Those scissory hands are very much of a strength now are they. They seem like a flaw to me.

 

And that is the trick: A flaw is the same thing as a strength, merely displaying it in a different SETTING. Instead of the trait being useful to the character, it is detrimental. AND SHOW IT BEING DETRIMENTAL. Once you do that, the Mary-Sue is dead and that lovely character you worked hard to make can shine and be great. If the setting that they are in makes their traits work for and against them, then the can never be a Mary-Sue, and that is why the Mary-Sue is not a perfect being, because even a perfect being would be hated by the people around them (just look at Jesus)

 

I conclude with this:

 

1) F*** the Litmus Test.

2) F*** the cheap ass definition of the Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu

3) STOP MAKING THREADS ASKING ABOUT MARY-SUES!

 

^ This person puts it the best way and the reason why I hate the term Mary Sue so much. It's just name-calling that only serves to make people insecure about what they write/draw without addressing the actual problem. If you want to blame anyone, blame Roxas and Axel for being friends with her, because that is what most people are irritated about.

 

P.S. Sorry for the tower of text

Okay, Days still wouldn't have worked without her; you still need a main boss and villain (Xion fell into that, but it wasn't her fault). Without Xion, the game would have seemed fragmented. Also, everything has to connect to Sora. Sora has to play a huge role. Xion highly filled that purpose in Days, and I think she and Sora's connection will be important later on.

ehhh, no, Days didn't need xion for any of those reasons you gave. I don't think you meant to say she filled the role as the main villain for obvious reason so I'll skip refuting that, but Riku in fact easily could have fit the bill of the game's final boss. Instead, to give xion and importance, they made her the final boss and Riku more so the final battle. As for the everything in the game having to connect back to Sora, Roxas and his dreams easily fit this bill as well. Also for the same purpose, as scenes such as Riku rescues Xion, Riku could have discretely hinted towards Sora multiple times in the game. Remember: its not just the current version of days without xion, it is as if the game was made without xion.

 

If you ask me, Kairi's the true Mary-Sue of the series. Seriously, take away her Princess of Heart status and the fact that she's Sora's love interest, and what do you have? You don't really have anything. You never really see her with Riku...

 

She's in the games less and less, and she's just added space in the games she is in. Seriously, in KH1 she was comatose most of the time. KH2: she was kidnapped most of the time. She wasn't physically in CoM. She wasn't in Days, wasn't in Coded really. She was in BbS, but people are discrediting that she got a Keyblade then.

 

Yeah... there's a lot more substance to Xion than Kairi. Kairi has no character development, and she's supposed to be the main girl! She doesn't even look Ilike she's going to be in 3D much!

 

I'll give you that.

 

 

I don't understand how fans of KH can complain about new games (just because they're not KH3). Or new characters! KH needs more, good characters, and Xion is one of them! Days is the most emotional KH game. It has some of the best, realistic relationships between people. So take it as it is!

Xion has ultimately been forced (for the lack of better word) within the kh series, having little reason to be made at first, and all the reason to be made due to the future of the series giving reason to something that was never meant to be. Despite this in the broad spectrum of things I do think she completely succeeded in winning our emotion that would be one of the things that would make days a good game. Weather or not days would have been a better game or not with xion is a matter of speculation, but they still could have done more to the xion included game we have now.

 

Also, I don't get why so many fans complain! People love Roxas! Most people were ecstatic to get to play his story. If it weren't for Xion, that chance never would have arisen! Stop being so absurd! If you think you can do better in a story, publish your own novel! Sheesh.

 

@bold: see my reasons at my first response.

 

I by no means think I can do better, but I know that they can do better, and for the lack of anything better to discuss this has become what many people critizize.

To the 'Days didn't need Xion for the story' argument. That's completely untrue. Imagine how awkward the story would be if Roxas fell off the Clock Tower, with no fight, and just started wailing 'Who will I eat ice cream wiiiiith!?!?'

Seriously, take Xion out of Days' plot and it makes no sense.

That said, I personally would have preferred a Days based on Roxas' time in the Organization, with no new characters. The backstory was FINE before they added Xion, it just seems weird with Xion in the equation (Because 'You will forget everything' plots never seem to fit snugly into a plot)

But you can't really deny that the storyline doesn't even need Xion. Take "her" out of the equation, and you don't really miss anything....Xion, is not really needed....at all. .w.

 

"The Victim!Sue is your whiny, wimpy, pathetic female character who can't seem to do much of anything except cry and get herself into trouble that the romantic interest of the fic has to rescue her from."

 

...Kairi has yet to whine....wimpy, maybe, but she did fight for like 5 minutes...so there goes that. She's only cried once...but for good reason. "romantic interest of the fic..." KH is not a fic....so there goes that one too. .w. That last one though, can't really argue with. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smiley-cool.png

 

Xion's not needed at all? If Xion wasn't in it, it's possible Roxas may not have left at all. I think that fact alone makes her important lol

 

Xion's not needed at all? If Xion wasn't in it, it's possible Roxas may not have left at all. I think that fact alone makes her important lol

 

 

So you're saying without Xion, Roxas would never have wondered why he keeps dreaming of some random guy he's never met, why he seems to be living another life when he's asleep. And that he'd never have the same amount of curiousity and drive to find out who Sora is? I dunno about you, but I don't see how Xion had anything to do with Roxas's departure of the Org.XIII; he was gonna leave anyway after Axel refused to spill the beans about Sora, the only thing Xion added was an extra dash of drama on top of Roxas's already dramafilled cake. .w.

 

 

So you're saying without Xion, Roxas would never have wondered why he keeps dreaming of some random guy he's never met, why he seems to be living another life when he's asleep. And that he'd never have the same amount of curiousity and drive to find out who Sora is? I dunno about you, but I don't see how Xion had anything to do with Roxas's departure of the Org.XIII; he was gonna leave anyway after Axel refused to spill the beans about Sora, the only thing Xion added was an extra dash of drama on top of Roxas's already dramafilled cake. .w.

 

Also.

'Why did the keyblade choose me? I have to know.'

You all have reasons and points about Xion. But can we all agree in ONE THING?

Imagine how stupidly boring Days would be with just Roxas and Axel. A lot of the story would just be boring, doing missions, RTC, Icecream, and all over again. Dialogue between Axel and Roxas would be Yaoi bait, And it'd just be not exciting at all.

Although Xion was not intended to be in there at all, she was and you can't do shit about it. If you don't like her, just pretend she isn't in the story at all, if she's so indifferent. Arguing and whining about it is useless. Nomura won't release 358/2 Version 2, Roxas.

Xion will be in the story, and I'm pretty Sure Nomura will add at least some more importance to her.

If you think she's a sue, Ok. just stfu about it.

If you don't, stfu as well. Everyone just starts arguments about her.

She's my favorite character, and Days is my favorite game, and if it weren't for Xion, I wouldn't have gotten into KH at all. Days was a whole new game to me, not connected to anything else, not "Unneeded" to anything, and I think not only I wouldn't.

Now if you allow me, I'd enjoy this thread to stop. We've seen enough and no one will get anywhere with it.

You all have reasons and points about Xion. But can we all agree in ONE THING?

Imagine how stupidly boring Days would be with just Roxas and Axel. A lot of the story would just be boring, doing missions, RTC, Icecream, and all over again. Dialogue between Axel and Roxas would be Yaoi bait, And it'd just be not exciting at all.

Although Xion was not intended to be in there at all, she was and you can't do shit about it. If you don't like her, just pretend she isn't in the story at all, if she's so indifferent. Arguing and whining about it is useless. Nomura won't release 358/2 Version 2, Roxas.

Xion will be in the story, and I'm pretty Sure Nomura will add at least some more importance to her.

If you think she's a sue, Ok. just stfu about it.

If you don't, stfu as well. Everyone just starts arguments about her.

She's my favorite character, and Days is my favorite game, and if it weren't for Xion, I wouldn't have gotten into KH at all. Days was a whole new game to me, not connected to anything else, not "Unneeded" to anything, and I think not only I wouldn't.

Now if you allow me, I'd enjoy this thread to stop. We've seen enough and no one will get anywhere with it.

 

This is only true if you simply take Xion out. If she were never there to begin with, the story would have been spiced up to make Roxas and Axel more interesting. More Saix and Axel cutscenes, perhaps? Plus, the story could have been a bit deeper adn more meaningful if the focus had been squarely on Roxas.

For people saying Xion is a Mary Sue: Cut her some slack! I mean, she's basically Kairi as Sora remembers her! She can only have so much potential.

 

Also, it's sadly true that Xion wasn't really needed in the plotline and all it did was add even more drama to Roxas' life. And come to think of it, Xion wasn't even in the game that much. But Days already has such a lacking plotline, think if Xion wasn't there. Then we'd have nothing in the story! I honestly wish they would have shown a bit more of other members (I mean, what do they do? Sit around the castle while Roxas destroys heartless, hoping they get to go with him? I mean, Saix says they're busy, but with what?)

 

Plus, I believe they partly made Xion to get rid of the AkuRoku rumors. GIVE IT UP PEOPLE. If they were having a relationship (although the scenes on the tower are slightly suggestive...the just stare at each other then look at the sunset eating popcicles with Axel's hand in the perfect position for...whatever...but I digress) Roxas would have wrote something in his diary. And then world will all go deaf as fangirls around the world squealed in delight...what was this post about again? Right. Xion.

 

I like her character, but she has been so far unneccessary and very short lived (She only lasts one game!). I honestly expect better from Square and hope that she ends up coming back or having more importance to the story than being Roxas' love interest for a year. Although I guess she does pose some interesting questions about the nature of existence, the heart, and all that jazz.

Listen,can you just cut Xion some slack.From what I've seen.Almost every girl I've seen in KH had a pretty big role to play from Kiari all the way to Aqua.So for the people who dont think Xion had a good role in the plotline of DAYS,she'll probably have a good plotline in KH3.I still say she was one of the best characters in DAYS.

Xion only lasts one game, but so does Vanitas.

How much a character in KH is loved is directly related to the quantity of yaoi fanfics that can be created with them.

Didn't you see "Blank Points" in BBS because I think it does show Xion soon to be in another game.