Heh, it's been a long time since I last made a thread on any of the KH forums. But anyway, as you all have noticed in DDD, Lea had finally got a keyblade near the end of the game. But what i want to know is: is it really necessary for him to obtain one? He was fine enough with his Chackrams, there really wasn't no need to give Lea/Axel a keyblade whatsoever other than do it out of complete fanservice. I mean really, now it just feels like just about anybody can get a keyblade nowadays. I'm sorry but it just felt like Square was all "Oh here let's give Lea a keyblade I'm sure the fangirls will love it". I mean, as much as I like to see more characters with keyblades. There was no real reason to give lea one.

 

What is your take on this?

Edited January 4, 201312 yr by Tails

I want to like this so hard but I can't!

it's ok I forgive you lol.

It's not really fruitless especially seeing as why Lea wanted to get one in the first place was so that he would have the power and ability necessary to rescue his friends.By this logic the only wielders who deserve to have the keyblade are Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Xehanort, Eraqus, and Mickey. Those are the only wielders that went through the proper route of training to earn their name as keyblade wielders. Riku didn't struggle to try and get the keyblade. It wasn't even a goal of his after KH1, if it was he would tried winning back the allegiance of the one he lost to Sora. Riku received the keyblade because he chose to redeem himself and successfully did so. It also probably has a lot to do that he was destined to be a Gaurdian of Light. Even Sora didn't struggle getting one and he is one of the most prominent wielders in the series. At the end of the day the keyblade chose the wielder on the worth of their "strength of heart" not how many active wielders there are.Like I said the presense of multiple keyblade wielders has been implied since the first game, if thousands upon thousands fought a war because they believed the power keyblade brought and represent was worth it I fail to see what the big deal is with a new generation keyblade wielders being born. In fact that is one one the duties of a Keyblade Master, to bring new pupils in to keep their trade alive.Also Shadow was designed to be able to use Chaos Control, not too mention since the ability to use is tied to the power of the Chaos Emeralds it's not really the same thing. The abillity is dependent on the external Chaos Emeralds, and therefore anyone who is proficient in manipulating Chaos Energy has, can, and will use the ability. As for the Saiyans for the entire existence of their race there have only been 6 cannon Super Saiyans. I didn't really see it as demoralizing it seeing as 5 of them were the only Saiyans left in existence out of the thousands that existed previously. Also up until they were destroyed they all believed the Super Saiyan to be a myth, none of them knew that they all had the potential to become one, and so none of them tried to become one.

Um, of course Shadow was designed to use chaos control. Eggman's grandfather Ivo Robotnic gave him that power while creating him. As for the part where youy said anyone who is proficient in manipulating Chaos Energy, you are way off on that my friend. Where did you even get that info from? That makes no sense whatsoever. You can't just take a Chaos Emerald and just use Chaos Control whenever you want. You need to sum up a lot f power to do that. Anyway, bacl to the main subject. Even if it is for the plot we both know that it's still unnecesarry. Why should Axel/Lea have a keyblade when he has chackrams which works just as well for him? I still see no use for that and that  And even if it means that there will be another keyblade war coming that's still just an excuse to give random people keyblades for no real reason other than to make the plot more interesting.

Edited January 4, 201312 yr by Tails

Um, of course Shadow was designed to use chaos control. Eggman's grandfather Ivo Robotnic gave him that power while creating him. As for the part where youy said anyone who is proficient in manipulating Chaos Energy, you are way off on that my friend. Where did you even get that info from? That makes no sense whatsoever. You can't just take a Chaos Emerald and just use Chaos Control whenever you want. You need to sum up a lot f power to do that. Anyway, bacl to the main subject. Even if it is for the plot we both know that it's still unnecesarry. Why should Axel/Lea have a keyblade when he has chackrams which works just as well for him? I still see no use for that and that  And even if it means that there will be another keyblade war coming that's still just an excuse to give random people keyblades for no real reason other than to make the plot more interesting.

Um I'm not way off actually there are tons of characters who have used the ability throughout the series Chaos Control is a classified as a Chaos Power which stem directly from the ability to manipulate Chaos Energy. I never said that they could use the ability whenever they want only that it is an ability that can be picked up by any who is skilled in the art of Chaos Energy manipulation. Also I know who gave him the ability I was pointing out Shadow is not a good comparison because he was born with an ability that already existed and was not exclusive to him.

 

Also I explained the reason why it was necessary as far plot goes. Lea needed a way to get from world to world so he could save his friends. Last time I checked the chakrams did not grant Lea the ability to do that. Lea had also spent the previous 10 years under the rule of half of Master Xehanort's true power, I didn't see him try attack Xemnas with his chakrams so how effective were they gonna be agianst Master Xehanort. Lea knew in order to combat Xehanort and have a shred of hope at saving his friends he needed a keyblade and the power it brought it's wielder.

 

Also the coming of the Keyblade War wasn't an excuse to hand out keyblades. However it did force the need to give rise to the 7 Gaurdians of Light which in the absense of Terra it would seem the worlds replaced him with Lea.

Um I'm not way off actually there are tons of characters who have used the ability throughout the series Chaos Control is a classified as a Chaos Power which stem directly from the ability to manipulate Chaos Energy. I never said that they could use the ability whenever they want only that it is an ability that can be picked up by any who is skilled in the art of Chaos Energy manipulation. Also I know who gave him the ability I was pointing out Shadow is not a good comparison because he was born with an ability that already existed and was not exclusive to him.Also I explained the reason why it was necessary as far plot goes. Lea needed a way to get from world to world so he could save his friends. Last time I checked the chakrams did not grant Lea the ability to do that. Lea had also spent the previous 10 years under the rule of half of Master Xehanort's true power, I didn't see him try attack Xemnas with his chakrams so how effective were they gonna be agianst Master Xehanort. Lea knew in order to combat Xehanort and have a shred of hope at saving his friends he needed a keyblade and the power it brought it's wielder.Also the coming of the Keyblade War wasn't an excuse to hand out keyblades. However it did force the need to give rise to the 7 Gaurdians of Light which in the absense of Terra it would seem the worlds replaced him with Lea.

What if Terra really wasn't the 13th vessel (despite the hints) what would happen then?

What if Terra really wasn't the 13th vessel (despite the hints) what would happen then?

Terra isn't the 13th vessel, he is one of Master Xehanort's 12 existing vessels. Master Xehanort straight up said Terra became his new vessel and he directly referenced him as one of those on Mickey's list as belonging to him.

Edited January 4, 201312 yr by devereauxr

seriously guys... let me put this in harry potter terms you know when that guy was like "the wand chooses the wizard"??? well the same thing happens with the keyblade!!!! think about it!!! each keyblade chooses it's wielder, and in case you haven't noticed each keyblade (the first one they obtain) sort of "represents that person" they all kind of fit that person's personality ... they choose the person on their strength of heart!!!! you guys are saying that it's easy to obtain a keyblade... SEPHIROTH CANT EVEN GET ONE!!!!! i mean it's not about power... it's about the strength of that person's heart... do you understand... the keyblade chose lea... not the other way around... that's why it's special!!!! because lea's heart is strong enough!!!!

seriously guys... let me put this in harry potter terms you know when that guy was like "the wand chooses the wizard"??? well the same thing happens with the keyblade!!!! think about it!!! each keyblade chooses it's wielder, and in case you haven't noticed each keyblade (the first one they obtain) sort of "represents that person" they all kind of fit that person's personality ... they choose the person on their strength of heart!!!! you guys are saying that it's easy to obtain a keyblade... SEPHIROTH CANT EVEN GET ONE!!!!! i mean it's not about power... it's about the strength of that person's heart... do you understand... the keyblade chose lea... not the other way around... that's why it's special!!!! because lea's heart is strong enough!!!!

A Final Fantasy character will never get a keyblade. Due to them just being a part of fanservice and never being an important part in this so-called crossover.

 

 

Terra isn't the 13th vessel, he is one of Master Xehanort's 12 existing vessels. Master Xehanort straight up said Terra became his new vessel and he directly referenced him as one of those on Mickey's list as belonging to him.

You're right never played DDD  :s

A Final Fantasy character will never get a keyblade. Due to them just being a part of fanservice and never being an important part in this so-called crossover.

 

 

You're right never played DDD  :s

ummm... i was trying to explain that getting a keyblade is not about how strong/powerful you are ... it's about howstrong your HEART is, i already know that he'll never get one... jeez i was just trying to prove a point!

I liked the chakrams.

While part of it is fanservice that isn't the only reason he obtained a keyblade. He's also a staff favorite too. By that logic I guess Riku didn't need his own keyblade either. Like it or not him getting a keyblade has been foreshadowed for the last three games. It also has relevance to the plot seeing as he needed a way to travel to different worlds, and save his friends. Not to mention with the absense of Terra as a Gaurdian of Light, the universe has deemed Lea worthy to replace Terra. It's also part of his character development as well as adding another element to the Lea vs Isa saga.Also I don't see what the hang up is with everyone having a keyblade seeing as it's been implied since the very first game that there were multiple keyblade wielders. The main arguement for people hating on everyone having one is it supossedly devalues the meaning of having one. But in fact it shows the value of it's worth by displaying the effort people go to obtain one. For crying out loud the keyblades only existed because people wanted to so desperately copy the power it represented. The desire to obtain that power created a war that nearly destroyed the entire universe. The Keyblade War involved thousands of wielders but that did not devalue the signifance of having one.Also since the series is gearing towards another Keyblade War it makes sense to add more wielders.

 

 

Came here to say this 

 

 

It's not really fruitless especially seeing as why Lea wanted to get one in the first place was so that he would have the power and ability necessary to rescue his friends.By this logic the only wielders who deserve to have the keyblade are Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Xehanort, Eraqus, and Mickey. Those are the only wielders that went through the proper route of training to earn their name as keyblade wielders. Riku didn't struggle to try and get the keyblade. It wasn't even a goal of his after KH1, if it was he would tried winning back the allegiance of the one he lost to Sora. Riku received the keyblade because he chose to redeem himself and successfully did so. It also probably has a lot to do that he was destined to be a Gaurdian of Light. Even Sora didn't struggle getting one and he is one of the most prominent wielders in the series. At the end of the day the keyblade chose the wielder on the worth of their "strength of heart" not how many active wielders there are.Like I said the presense of multiple keyblade wielders has been implied since the first game, if thousands upon thousands fought a war because they believed the power keyblade brought and represent was worth it I fail to see what the big deal is with a new generation keyblade wielders being born. In fact that is one one the duties of a Keyblade Master, to bring new pupils in to keep their trade alive.Also Shadow was designed to be able to use Chaos Control, not too mention since the ability to use is tied to the power of the Chaos Emeralds it's not really the same thing. The abillity is dependent on the external Chaos Emeralds, and therefore anyone who is proficient in manipulating Chaos Energy has, can, and will use the ability. As for the Saiyans for the entire existence of their race there have only been 6 cannon Super Saiyans. I didn't really see it as demoralizing it seeing as 5 of them were the only Saiyans left in existence out of the thousands that existed previously. Also up until they were destroyed they all believed the Super Saiyan to be a myth, none of them knew that they all had the potential to become one, and so none of them tried to become one.

 

 

AND this ....saved me the trouble

 

 

LMAO  @ all the comments about the keyblade being special bc only Sora was suppose to wield it when there have always been other wielders from the very first game .Too funny guys..So much whining for such lack of logic.This has been going on throughout the entire series.If anyone has earned a keyblade it's definitely Lea.We've watched him evolve and better himself constantly and his very intentions fit the bill to be chosen .

Edited January 4, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

Um, of course Shadow was designed to use chaos control. Eggman's grandfather Ivo Robotnic gave him that power while creating him. As for the part where youy said anyone who is proficient in manipulating Chaos Energy, you are way off on that my friend. Where did you even get that info from? That makes no sense whatsoever. You can't just take a Chaos Emerald and just use Chaos Control whenever you want. You need to sum up a lot f power to do that. Anyway, bacl to the main subject. Even if it is for the plot we both know that it's still unnecesarry. Why should Axel/Lea have a keyblade when he has chackrams which works just as well for him? I still see no use for that and that  And even if it means that there will be another keyblade war coming that's still just an excuse to give random people keyblades for no real reason other than to make the plot more interesting.

 

 

1) Eggman's grandfather was GERALD Robotnik. Eggman's real name is Ivo Robotnik

2) In Sonic '06 Silver also used Chaos Control, SA2 the prototype used chaos control, so did Sonic in both aforementioned games.

 

 

Do you reckon Axel can still summon Chakrams now he has a keyblade. He could summon them after becoming a somebody, but what about now? Chakrams 'transform' into keyblades? No seriously, I wished he hadn't gotten one, but the shock value at the end of DDD was PRICELESS!

1) Eggman's grandfather was GERALD Robotnik. Eggman's real name is Ivo Robotnik

2) In Sonic '06 Silver also used Chaos Control, SA2 the prototype used chaos control, so did Sonic in both aforementioned games.

 

 

Do you reckon Axel can still summon Chakrams now he has a keyblade. He could summon them after becoming a somebody, but what about now? Chakrams 'transform' into keyblades? No seriously, I wished he hadn't gotten one, but the shock value at the end of DDD was PRICELESS!

 

 

Chackrams are summoned and tied to ones heart like other weapons like keyblades , Soul Eater, and others. So his keyblade used his chackrams as a base just like WtD used Soul Eater as a base . Riku can still summon Soul Eater so there's no reason why Lea can't still summon his chackrams too.

 

 

yup.

I think that's why they chose to give him one but it turned out different than what they had hoped.

 

 

 

 

In what ways ? Just bc some people don't like it doesn't mean thats the majority opinion .There's  a lot of people who LOVE the fact he got a keyblade. Just sayin'

Edited January 4, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

Chackrams are summoned and tied to ones heart like other weapons like keyblades , Soul Eater, and others. So his keyblade used his chackrams as a base just like WtD used Soul Eater as a base . Riku can still summon Soul Eater so there's no reason why Lea can't still summon his chackrams too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In what ways ? Just bc some people don't like it doesn't mean thats the majority opinion .There's  a lot of people who LOVE the fact he got a keyblade. Just sayin'

 

consider me EDUCATED!

I don't think so. I would have preffered if Lea didn't get a keyblade because if he is to fight with Isa it would have been the first fight with two non keyblade wielders and that in my opinion would me much more epic than keyblade against non keyblade

I really don't understand the big deal. I actually enjoy there being more keyblade weilders. It's just going to make things more epic in the long run.

I don't think so. I would have preffered if Lea didn't get a keyblade because if he is to fight with Isa it would have been the first fight with two non keyblade wielders and that in my opinion would me much more epic than keyblade against non keyblade

They fight briefly in DDD, and Axel fights Marluxia in Com.

 

I really don't understand the big deal. I actually enjoy there being more keyblade weilders. It's just going to make things more epic in the long run.

Wait until Demyx gets one.

They fight briefly in DDD, and Axel fights Marluxia in Com.

 

Wait until Demyx gets one.

 

Demyx already has one.

While I don't think it's 100% necessary, I don't mind him having one. His character has actually earned it, especially considering that the cast of BBS seem to have their keyblades for free as it is.

I don't think so. I would have preffered if Lea didn't get a keyblade because if he is to fight with Isa it would have been the first fight with two non keyblade wielders and that in my opinion would me much more epic than keyblade against non keyblade

do you not remember the sephiroth and cloud battle? that was two non-keyblade wielders...

well, when you think about it, only 10 people(not counting roxas or xion cuz xion was manufactured and roxas was a nobody) have had a keyblade in kh history. but then theres countless others that dont have one, even if most are disney characters. i think they gave lea a keyblade for 2 main reasons: (1) they were planning to make lea a very important character. (2) they thought that he was worthy enough, for all hes done. 

 

Lea getting a Keyblade = More fangirls wanting to play the game just to get to that cutscene = More money for Nomura.

 

It's all a scam for more money...

 

 

 

 

While I don't think it's 100% necessary, I don't mind him having one. His character has actually earned it, especially considering that the cast of BBS seem to have their keyblades for free as it is.

 

Lea's one of the characters which had more character development, so it was obvious that he would get one.

it was probably one of the dumbest idea Square thought of.

It just doesn't suit him ok I like his wheels (or whatever) better D:

Heck if I was in the game I'd probably can get one too because now everyone can get it like free ice cream

it was probably one of the dumbest idea Square thought of.

It just doesn't suit him ok I like his wheels (or whatever) better D:

Heck if I was in the game I'd probably can get one too because now everyone can get it like free ice cream

Chakrams It's half wheel so that should lessen the blow.  Wait until Kh for pc browsers comes out.

I personally hate it when people say that way too many people in series have keyblades.  There is a reason why each can wield.  And as for Sora being special, he still is - he's the only person to wield a keyblade seemingly clear out of the blue without anyone giving it to him first.

I personally hate it when people say that way too many people in series have keyblades.  There is a reason why each can wield.  And as for Sora being special, he still is - he's the only person to wield a keyblade seemingly clear out of the blue without anyone giving it to him first.

I agree with your first point, but only because I don't like arguing. That being said, I just replied to a topic with this response and feel it works here (slightly edited of course) as well: I guess Ventus being in his heart had nothing to do with it. Of course It's possible the keyblade Riku was supposed to get decided to abandon ship and go to Sora when the islands were destroyed.