Maleficent...

[Master X-BLADE 10]

I really hope she does something in this game. I mean, you might as well call her the "Team Rocket" of Kingdom hearts now

[Kaweebo 3,617]

I've had an idea of introducing 'alternate universes' or versions of characters in Kingdom Hearts. Specifically as far as the Maleficent character goes. I don't know how it'd work or the logistics, but I think it'd be interesting to see the more 'human' Maleficent make an appearance in KH.

 

As far as your actual point goes, I wouldn't count on it. She worked as the 'main villain' of KH until Ansem SoD sweeped the rug out from under her and she can never dream of matching up to the likes of the 'true' Organization XIII. 

Edited September 28, 2014 by Kaweebo

[Master X-BLADE 10]

I've had an idea of introducing 'alternate universes' or versions of characters in Kingdom Hearts. Specifically as far as the Maleficent character goes. I don't know how it'd work or the logistics, but I think it'd be interesting to see the more 'human' Maleficent make an appearance in KH.

 

As far as your actual point goes, I wouldn't count on it. 

Two Maleficents basically??

 

I'd like Maleficent to be the main villain for the next KH game after 3 as 3 is supposed to be the last Xehanort game

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

Well, we have two Petes, and two Minnies,  (as I understand, the Muskateer/Disney Town versions are two different versions)

[Forever 3,550]

Maleficent's current job is to claim everything as hers.

 

 "This realm is MINE!"

 

 "Hollow Bastion is MINE!"

 

 "TWTNW is MINE!"

 

 "All of the World's Data is MINE!"

 

 "Kingdom hearts is MINE!"

 

  "The Heartless are MINE! "

 

  "Aurora's heart is MINE!"

 

  Girl, sit down with your "no having" self! -__-

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

I've had an idea of introducing 'alternate universes' or versions of characters in Kingdom Hearts. Specifically as far as the Maleficent character goes. I don't know how it'd work or the logistics, but I think it'd be interesting to see the more 'human' Maleficent make an appearance in KH.

 

As far as your actual point goes, I wouldn't count on it. She worked as the 'main villain' of KH until Ansem SoD sweeped the rug out from under her and she can never dream of matching up to the likes of the 'true' Organization XIII. 

Please, let's just keep the Angelina Jolie Maleficent away from this series. To me, that movie was a mockery of what could have been an interesting backstory for one of the most EVIL (not misunderstood mother figure Wicked rip-off) Disney villains in the company's 90+ years. If you liked that movie, I understand, you found something to like about it that I just couldn't see, and that's ok. But I'm saying that I would much rather see an EVIL Maleficent with a backstory explaining why she's EVIL, rather than a "supposedly evil but really just a misunderstood mother figure who was wronged by a man and is actually a good guy" Maleficent with a backstory explaining why she is a super hero and everyone else was either stupid or a villain but not her.

 

Sigh. Sorry, rant mode. That movie is still a bit of a sore topic to me. Frankly though, I think Kingdom Hearts is better off with just ONE Maleficent, the one it already has. That doesn't mean nothing has to be done to her character, I would certainly like her to be more threatening again. She kind of got a bit of a comeback in Birth by Sleep and Re:Coded, but after that she was just sort of a distraction. At the very least, I'd like to see a mix of who she was in the first Kingdom Hearts and a little of what she was in KH2, as well as an actually bad-ass threatening plan about what she plans on doing with those digital worlds and all that. If she absolutely "needs" a backstory, then at least have it explain how she became evil, not why she is good deep down (or good all along). KH2 already showed that, but it still worked in a realistic manner. She needed Sora alive because Org. XIII was a bigger threat and he was the only one who could take them out.

 

I say keep THIS Maleficent (all greenish grey and imposing), but just make her better within the scope of Kingdom Hearts. She doesn't necessarily need to revive her cult of Disney villains (although it would be nice to see them all interact with each other again), she just needs to prove that her goals are large and her methods are low, cruel, cunning, and dangerously effective. The only thing I saw wrong with her was that she was lowering her sights as the timeline went on and she became focused on "lesser" goals. She want's to gain control over more Heartless, she wants a swankier base of operations/castle/fortress/thingy, she wants to rebuild her dark cult, she wants more pawns of darkness, etc. The only thing that bugged me about her involvement in Re:Coded and DDD was that it almost seemed like she was settling for ruling a digital world rather than the real one.

 

Unless...she was planning something bigger. If she is planning something huger than ever before, than that could turn everything around. It doesn't have to be huger than Xehanort's plan, but it should still be big enough to register as a serious threat. Oh god, I hope that's what Nomura is writing for her, because I feel like it's about time the Mistress of All Evil got the big bad comeback that she deserves. Make it happen Nomura, make it happen! 

[Firaga 5,947]

Well, we have two Petes, and two Minnies,  (as I understand, the Muskateer/Disney Town versions are two different versions)

 

They're not two different versions. They're the same people, just spread across different time periods.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

They're not two different versions. They're the same people, just spread across different time periods.

(Not trying to sound judgy or whatever) Why did Mickey tell Sora to be quiet then? That Mickey was from a different world and he didn't want people around him to know that. I don't really see how it is possible. How did Pete, Minnie, Donald, Goofy and Mickey all end up on a different world anyways?

Edited September 28, 2014 by Shard the Metal

[Firaga 5,947]

(Not trying to sound judgy or whatever) Why did Mickey tell Sora to be quiet then? That Mickey was from a different world and he didn't want people around him to know that. I don't really see how it is possible. How did Pete, Minnie, Donald, Goofy and Mickey all end up on a different world anyways?

 

Sora went to the pat to when Mickey was still an apprentice and knew about the Keyblade and traveling to other worlds. He wanted to keep it a secret because a) no muddling and b) he was probably doing some secret training for Yen Sid. The reason there are two Mickeys and two of Pete, Minnie, Donald, and Goofy is because those versions aren't the real ones. They're dream versions, basically. The Sleeping Realm goes beyond time, and every world in it is basically a dream like simulation of what the world was and what events transpired before it was consumed by Darkness.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Firaga Sensei

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

Sora went to the pat to when Mickey was still an apprentice and knew about the Keyblade and traveling to other worlds. He wanted to keep it a secret because a) no muddling and b) he was probably doing some secret training for Yen Sid. The reason there are two Mickeys and two of Pete, Minnie, Donald, and Goofy is because those versions aren't the real ones. They're dream versions, basically. The Sleeping Realm goes beyond time, and every world in it is basically a dream like simulation of what the world was and what events transpired before it was consumed by Darkness.

That's not what I meant. I meant, how did Donald and Goofy and the others get to that world, if Mickey wanted to keep other worlds a secret from them? Unless they're originally from that world, I don't quite understand.

[Kaweebo 3,617]

This should really really count as a wall of text.

I actually don't think Maleficent is that great a film. I'm fine with her being given a more human side, but the overall film wasn't that amazing. Angelina Jolie's performance is really the only thing that held it together. I simply think the concept of alternate universes is fascinating. Seeing 'misunderstood' Maleficent interact with or fight EVIL Maleficent is interesting to me. 

 

Other than that, though, I mostly agree. The live-action version has no place in KH besides. 

Edited September 28, 2014 by Kaweebo

[Firaga 5,947]

That's not what I meant. I meant, how did Donald and Goofy and the others get to that world, if Mickey wanted to keep other worlds a secret from them? Unless they're originally from that world, I don't quite understand.

 

They are from that world. Like I said, the Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Pete, and Minnie in the Country of the Musketeers are residents of that world and are part of the dream like simulation.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

They are from that world. Like I said, the Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Pete, and Minnie in the Country of the Musketeers are residents of that world and are part of the dream like simulation.

Okay, so just to clear it up, Mickey came ALONE to that world, and that's where he met Donald and Goofy and all of them for the first time? And then after those events, Mickey took them back to whatever world they started building Disney Town at. And then the BBS events happened, so on so forth...

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Alright fine I'll give you that, but at least I punctuated it into paragraphs rather than a huge continuous literal "wall of text". I write a lot, doesn't mean I'm a spammer.

I do agree, Jolie was the only consistently good thing about that movie. In the curse scene, I actually believed that she WAS Maleficent. That was probably the highlight of the movie for me. Unfortunately, she had to act to what the script told her, and that felt like a waste of a perfect performance. For me, this was a movie where all of it's weak spots overshadowed the few good bits it had here and there. Actually, if you kept the first 30 or so minutes of the movie as is and changed everything after the curse scene, it actually could have been a compelling movie, as the backstory still could have worked. It's just how they used it with the rest of the movie that was a problem.

[Firaga 5,947]

Okay, so just to clear it up, Mickey came ALONE to that world, and that's where he met Donald and Goofy and all of them for the first time? And then after those events, Mickey took them back to whatever world they started building Disney Town at. And then the BBS events happened, so on so forth...

 

Let me clarify something else: Disney Town, Disney Town, Timeless River, and even Country of the Muskateers to some extent, I believe, are all the same world, but just set in different time periods. Timeless River is of course the oldest one, then it goes to the Muskateers, and then Disney Town and Disney Castle.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

Let me clarify something else: Disney Town, Disney Town, Timeless River, and even Country of the Muskateers to some extent, I believe, are all the same world, but just set in different time periods. Timeless River is of course the oldest one, then it goes to the Muskateers, and then Disney Town and Disney Castle.

Well, if that were the case, shouldn't the Muskateers world not be sleeping? I understand that Timeless River and the Disney Town/Disney Castle all being the same.

[Firaga 5,947]

Well, if that were the case, shouldn't the Muskateers world not be sleeping? I understand that Timeless River and the Disney Town/Disney Castle all being the same.

 

That's the thing: I can't really say if the Muskateers world is really part of the Disney Castle world at all. Maybe you're right, maybe its a separate world altogether. Even so, if the world was part of Disney Castle, then no the world would still be sleeping, because like I said, the world is a dream simulation and does not follow the flow of time: it only follows time in the events that transpired before it fell to darkness. Its like taking a piece out of Disney Castle, but allowing the original Disney Castle not taken by darkness to stay in the Realm of Light and evolve while the Muskateers part stays in the Realm of Sleep.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Firaga Sensei

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

That's the thing: I can't really say if the Muskateers world is really part of the Disney Castle world at all. Maybe you're right, maybe its a separate world altogether. Even so, if the world was part of Disney Castle, then no the world would still be sleeping, because like I said, the world is a dream simulation and does not follow the flow of time: it only follows time in the events that transpired before it fell to darkness. Its like taking a piece out of Disney Castle, but allowing the original Disney Castle not taken by darkness to stay in the Realm of Light and evolve while the Muskateers part stays in the Realm of Sleep.

This is confusing lolAnyways thanks for helping.

[Firaga 5,947]

This is confusing lolAnyways thanks for helping.

 

Its not that confusing if you just think it over a bit. But you're welcome.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Firaga Sensei

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

She might transform into the dragon again, engulf almost the whole place with green fire (just like the first game Re:CoM, and BBS.), and probably do something different that could potentially tick us off. 

Edited September 28, 2014 by RikuFangirl2008

[Sora96 17,256]

Of course she will.

[Dave 5,715]

 

 

As far as your actual point goes, I wouldn't count on it. She worked as the 'main villain' of KH until Ansem SoD sweeped the rug out from under her and she can never dream of matching up to the likes of the 'true' Organization XIII. 

 

Considering that the true Organization consists of people Sora's already beaten, some on multiple occasions, I think that Maleficent more than matches with their ranks.

[Kaweebo 3,617]

Considering that the true Organization consists of people Sora's already beaten, some on multiple occasions, I think that Maleficent more than matches with their ranks.

Well, the only people we know of who are part of the true Organization are all definitively powerful than Maleficent. Ansem SoD, Xemnas, Xigbar, Saix, while they were all defeated by Sora, that doesn't mean Maleficent matches up to them. And, in fact, it's arguable just how much they were putting into the fights they had with Sora. I've always thought that Xigbar was just toying around with Sora and wanted to die all along because he knew he was going to turn back into a human. And Xemnas needed Sora AND Riku to defeat. 

 

Then we've got Master Xehanort and Young Xehanort, who are incredibly powerful. I really don't think any of the Disney villains could stand a chance against any of these guys.

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

I really hope she does something in this game. I mean, you might as well call her the "Team Rocket" of Kingdom hearts now

Prepare for trouble! 

And make it double!

To rule all worlds with dark infestations! 

To steal all hearts underneath our station!

To denounce the evils of Light and love!

To take over everything under the stars above!

Maleficent!

Pete!

Team Maleficent taking your heart with the speed of Light!

Surrender the Keyblade now, or prepare to fight!

*Xemnas stares blankly*

 

I'm not sorry in the slightest