More specifically, I don't think a lot of people on this site get what plot holes ARE

so I brought a handy definition

 

• plot hole

   
• A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

 

See, a lot of people seem to be under the impression that any plot point that goes unexplained is a plot hole, or that any plot point that contradicts previous elements is a plot hole.But there's a key element missing. It needs to be a paradox, it needs to be something that CAN'T be explained. Just because something hasn't been explained yet doesn't mean it's a plothole

Just because something someone said turned out to be wrong doesn't mean it's a plot hole, just because you didn't see a person do something doesn't mean it's a plot hole. Plot holes are specific. Like let's have a hypothetical situation:

 

Suppose in KH1 they mention that you can only wield a keyblade with your right hand

 

Now let's assume KH2 is basically the same game, so you have dual wielding. The dual wielding is a plot hole. But if Yen Sid comes along and says there's actually a certain type of keyblade, or a secre technique that allows keyblades to be used ith your left hand, that's not a plot hole, that's a plot point

 

I will stand by my belief that while KH has a very bad story, it has a remarkable lack of plot holes

 

It has a relatively small amount of "plot Holes" but a large amount of retcons. We all know he writes this shit as he goes .

There are bits and pieces that are contradictory, but in a series with magic and all that, there's not much in the way of an actual "plot hole".

 

People mostly just use it as a way to say "poorly written" without being mean. And sometimes it's in jest; I don't think anybody actually finds Donald's "where are we?" observation on Yen Sid's tower that offensive, for instance.

Thank you, SOMEBODY gets it. Most 'plot holes' in fiction are not really plot holes. Most can be resolved with some common sense, which just says to me that most people on the internet that bitch about these are morons who'd rather complain than use their brain.

oh I get it so the Sora and Riku looking younger in Dream Drop Distance is not a pothole because you have to think about it to understand why they look that way. 

I will stand by my belief that while KH has a very bad story, it has a remarkable lack of plot holes

Ugh.. that hurts.

Ugh.. that hurts.

Shit, I think my brain literally blocked me from seeing that. I didn't even notice the last part. I disagree entirely, but to each their own.

I find your use of logic and reason offensive. This is the Internet, there is no place for common sense here.

 

More seriously, I see why some people might think it has plot holes. for example in KH II it's is explicitly stated by several characters that Nobodies don't have hearts, then in 3D it states that they do, or at least are capable of developing them. This would seem to be a plot hole, until you take into account that Xemnas, the Nobody of Xehanort and leader of all Nobodies, is a liar and that Xehanort has lied to just about everyone he's ever met unless telling the truth would be more beneficial to his plans (like it was when he told Maleficent about the Princesses of Heart) Xemnas and his inner circle are the only ones who knew the truth about Nobodies and keeping the secret was beneficial to their real goal, so everyone else believed that they had no hearts. This is one example of what people are calling plotholes.

Edited November 12, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

It's very rare for me to legitimately go WTF at something within a work. Even if something sounds iffy, or there were probably alternatives, I'm good at handwaving "plot holes" with the notion of "Well, if [X] happened this way, then I can infer there's probably a reason for it." Not always a good reason, granted, but still a reason. There's no such thing as a perfect plot. You can find something to nitpick in anything. The trick is figuring out whether taking the time to fill in the blanks is important enough -- mainly when there are more pressing concerns in the story.

 

Ugh.. that hurts.

 

Right in the internet-nuts, man.

I find your use of logic and reason offensive. this is the Internet, there is no place for common sense here.

Well, you got your definition for plot hole straight from Wikipedia, so I'm already wary of your argument.

 

Really, this is just splitting hairs. If you think the story has inconsistencies, contradictions, and lots of unexplained or badly explained lore- and i certainly think that of KH- then 'plot hole' is just a synonym or short hand for those things. It's kind of a waste of time to say you think the story is bad but doesn't have plot holes.

Well, you got your definition for plot hole straight from Wikipedia, so I'm already wary of your argument.

 

Really, this is just splitting hairs. If you think the story has inconsistencies, contradictions, and lots of unexplained or badly explained lore- and i certainly think that of KH- then 'plot hole' is just a synonym or short hand for those things. It's kind of a waste of time to say you think the story is bad but doesn't have plot holes.

hahaha

alright then

hahaha

alright then

 

ha ha good times man good times

Funny thing about KH fans: they complain about the story being confusing instead of doing their research and figuring out stuff for themselves... or you know, thinking.

 

I'm not pointing that at you, hatok, because you think the story is bad, I'm just Saiyan.

Edited November 12, 201410 yr by Firaga Sensei

Honestly the biggest problem with the story is that vital information to the plot isn't always presented in the game. You have to get it from outside sources like interviews. However, to be fair, the interviews also explain stuff that actually was in the game but people just didn't get or understand .

 

Also there are some people who are just too lazy to read the game reports in games or to pay attention to info actually presented in the game

Honestly the biggest problem with the story is that vital information to the plot isn't always presented in the game. You have to get it from outside sources like interviews. However, to be fair, the interviews also explain stuff that actually was in the game but people just didn't get or understand .

 

Also there are some people who are just too lazy to read the game reports in games or to pay attention to info actually presented in the game

somtimes even if i read all the reports which i always do.theres still some things i dont get,tht i understand on my 2nd playthro. im also like tht with reading books

Ugh.. that hurts.

I do think hatok has consistent opinions.

 

Yet... ugh... my kidneys were kicked.

Honestly the biggest problem with the story is that vital information to the plot isn't always presented in the game. You have to get it from outside sources like interviews. However, to be fair, the interviews also explain stuff that actually was in the game but people just didn't get or understand .

 

Also there are some people who are just too lazy to read the game reports in games or to pay attention to info actually presented in the game

It really is quite awful how important details to this day are limited to the Ultimanias, but that's another issue in itself

like I can't fault people for not looking up that old interview that explains the voice in KH1's Dive Into the Heart is Mickey

It really is quite awful how important details to this day are limited to the Ultimanias, but that's another issue in itself

like I can't fault people for not looking up that old interview that explains the voice in KH1's Dive Into the Heart is Mickey

I was trying to find out whose it was for some time now.

 

Thank you.

It really is quite awful how important details to this day are limited to the Ultimanias, but that's another issue in itself

like I can't fault people for not looking up that old interview that explains the voice in KH1's Dive Into the Heart is Mickey

 Definitely. That's why I had to point that out in the first place . It's unfair to the player, especially international ones who don't always have the access to them or even know they exist to begin with .

More specifically, I don't think a lot of people on this site get what plot holes ARE

so I brought a handy definition

 

• plot hole

   
• A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

 

See, a lot of people seem to be under the impression that any plot point that goes unexplained is a plot hole, or that any plot point that contradicts previous elements is a plot hole.But there's a key element missing. It needs to be a paradox, it needs to be something that CAN'T be explained. Just because something hasn't been explained yet doesn't mean it's a plothole

Just because something someone said turned out to be wrong doesn't mean it's a plot hole, just because you didn't see a person do something doesn't mean it's a plot hole. Plot holes are specific. Like let's have a hypothetical situation:

 

Suppose in KH1 they mention that you can only wield a keyblade with your right hand

 

Now let's assume KH2 is basically the same game, so you have dual wielding. The dual wielding is a plot hole. But if Yen Sid comes along and says there's actually a certain type of keyblade, or a secre technique that allows keyblades to be used ith your left hand, that's not a plot hole, that's a plot point

 

I will stand by my belief that while KH has a very bad story, it has a remarkable lack of plot holes

 

1. Copy and paste his second definition of plot hole

2. Paste it into Google's search bar

3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky"

4. Get redirected to wikipedia.org

 

Argument invalidated. That is not the official definition of a plot hole by any means and there does not have to be a paradox for it to be considered a plot hole, that's the dumbest shit I ever heard. If I go around on the Internet telling people this they will think I'm stupid. I'm not flaming you as you did not make this definition, some kid on Wikipedia did. Nomura makes plot holes with just about every "new entry" and he explains them by making more games that make up plot holes. An example is Kingdom Hearts 2 which had to be explained by BBS. He just digs himself into more holes so he's forced to make new games and prolong the series with less important titles instead of doing what Square Enix tells him to do. He's simply just a shitty writer. Every title he releases has plot holes that have to be explained with another spin off. It's an ongoing trend. Kingdom Hearts II could have almost ended the series without Xehanort being introduced with some minor tweaks and adjustments. Find a more reliable source of information while you're at it please.

 

A current plot hole at the moment is BBS lol. He still hasn't explained what happened between BBS to KH1. But with Kingdom Hearts III out of sight, he probably will.

Edited November 15, 201410 yr by Drones

1. Copy and paste his second definition of plot hole

2. Paste it into Google's search bar

3. Click "I'm Feeling Lucky"

4. Get redirected to wikipedia.org

 

Argument invalidated. That is not the official definition of a plot hole by any means and there does not have to be a paradox for it to be considered a plot hole, that's the dumbest shit I ever heard. If I go around on the Internet telling people this they will think I'm stupid. I'm not flaming you as you did not make this definition, some kid on Wikipedia did. Nomura makes plot holes with just about every "new entry" and he explains them by making more games that make up plot holes. An example is Kingdom Hearts 2 which had to be explained by BBS. He just digs himself into more holes so he's forced to make new games and prolong the series with less important titles instead of doing what Square Enix tells him to do. He's simply just a shitty writer. Every title he releases has plot holes that have to be explained with another spin off. It's an ongoing trend. Kingdom Hearts II could have almost ended the series without Xehanort being introduced with some minor tweaks and adjustments. Find a more reliable source of information while you're at it please.

 

A current plot hole at the moment is BBS lol. He still hasn't explained what happened between BBS to KH1. But with Kingdom Hearts III out of sight, he probably will.

ahaha oh man

I don't even know where to start

first off, that wikipedia tirade you've had going for a while now was quaint at first, but it's honestly just getting tired at this point. First off, if you're denying MY citation of what a plot hole is, where's yours? Where is a definition that explains why what YOU call a plothole is correct?

I dunno how you've convinced yourself that Wikipedia isn't regulated and just have some random kid's definition of something show up there but, even without Wikiepdia it's pretty well known that that's THE definition of a plot hole.

 

Meanwhile. the things you describe at "plotholes"

uh

they're not even close.

the time between BBS and KH1 is not a plot hole, that's what we call "stories left untold" there's nothing vital, nothing contradictory. The rest you're describing is just retroactive continuity. It's not the same as a plot hole, that's just new details being added, or detaisl changing as new information comes to light.

 

Overall, you have no clue what a plot hole is, don't even make a effort to actually give a source on your own special definition of a plot hole that makes no sense, and you still have the gall to lecture me about the definition?

 

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I guess you learn something new everyday.

The Wikipedia can sometimes be unreliable due to anyone being able to change it but when it comes to using it to define what a word means it is acceptable. People also need to understand plot holes and retcons are NOT the same thing.

You can still find his source of information which should invalidate any arguments.

You can still find his source of information which should invalidate any arguments.

finding sources is a way to disprove someone? is that why you never provide sources for anything you say?