Now that we know what the true purpose of the Organization was, I have a theory of what the memory pods where really for.

What if they were what was going to be used to transfer Xehanort's heart to the members of the Org? He'd be in the large one in the other room while Saix stood guard and Xigbar oversaw the transfer or vice-versa. I know there are only 7 pods in the hall, but it looks like there was room for two more- or three if it weren't for the chest- bringing the total to 10, (not including the large one) the exact number of original Organization XIII members who hadn't been 'Norted. Maybe when DiZ got out of the RoD, they had to abandon that place before the construction of the final 3 pods was complete?

What I'm really curious is about the pod in KH2 that says "it looks like it was recently used"

What I'm really curious is about the pod in KH2 that says "it looks like it was recently used"

i think thats donald's or goofy's

i think thats donald's or goofy's

No, when you inspect the pods one of them says "This is the pod Donlad was in" and another says "This is the pod Goofy was sleeping in"

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

i think thats donald's or goofy's

You know I never noticed it before. Maybe it's just a mistake or perhaps not, perhaps Nomura wanted to tell us something. Just like with the mirrors in the 3 fairies room at Yen Sid's Tower.Nomura is a Master Troll

The pods true purpose is artificial reincarnation. And by that, I mean putting the memories of a past person into a currently living breathing person. That's my theory. Birth by sleep.....literally.

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Pandy Monium

I thought of this too but if that were the case wouldn't Xemnas sent the Organization there too kidnap Sora while he was sleeping for a year.

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by devereauxr

Well in DDD he's able to do it with just his Keyblade- granted, Sora was asleep, but if he got more willing participants (surely in the infinite expanse of worlds he could find at least 12 total volunteers for his Horcrux project) then he would never need pods.

 

Nomura is a Master Troll

 

This. Always this. Nothing secretly means anything in Kingdom Hearts, it's always just been thrown together as the series was made. Fans always look way too hard to find clues that aren't there.

I thought of this too but if that were the case wouldn't Xemnas sent the organization there too kidnap Sora while he was sleeping for a year.

Not necessarily, at that time he was still focused on making Roxas the 13th vessel. He never really wanted Sora, he just ran out of options that didn't involve time travel. Basically, when he chose Sora, he was settling for what he could get, not going after what he wanted.

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Not necessarily, at that time he was still focused on making Roxas the 13th vessel. He never really wanted Sora, he just ran out of options that didn't involve time travel.

Yes but by kidnapping Sora in such a fragile state he could not only prevented Roxas from becoming aware of his counterpart but prevent Sora from ever waking up. Plus why would he willingly let his enemies use his facilities when they held such importance. 

Yes but by kidnapping Sora in such a fragile state he could not only prevented Roxas from becoming aware of his counterpart but prevent Sora from ever waking up. Plus why would he willingly let his enemies use his facilities when they held such importance. 

Like I said, maybe when DiZ escaped from the RoD, they had to abandon the facility.

Like I said, maybe when DiZ escaped from the RoD, they had to abandon the facility.

 

You do know that one of the Secret Ansem Journals explicitly says that DiZ built the lab under the mansion, right?

Like I said, maybe when DiZ escaped from the RoD, they had to abandon the facility.

 

 Xemnas and the Organization were significantly more powerful then DiZ it would take little effort to silence him. DiZ didn't pose any type of threat to the Organization which is why he had to use Sora to get to them. Also from the looks of the Ansem reports it looks like Ansem himself created the laboratory in Twilight town.

 

Secret Ansem's Report 7

While beings born of darkness and those lacking hearts may find them convenient, it is dangerous for others to make much use of the corridors of darkness. Darkness erodes the heart.

In search of a place to proceed with my research and planning away from prying eyes, I found myself in "Twilight Town." It is a quiet village, forgotten in the chasm between light and darkness. I situated myself in the basement of an abandoned mansion standing beyond the woods.

My underground research resulted in one new discovery after another.

When a Heartless is born, the body and soul left behind are reborn into this world as a different being.

They possess different intentions than their Heartless brethren, and while it is unclear what these sentient "things" are after, it would appear they are responsible for much bedlam in the world.

My erstwhile friend the King and his subjects, along with a hero wielding the Keyblade, are battling the Heartless even as a new threat approaches.

This new threat...they have given themselves a fitting name, I suppose.

These non-beings: "Nobodies."

A great number of Nobodies have lost human form, as have the Heartless. Yet the Nobody born of someone with a strong heart retains its shape, with but the faintest visible changes.

It appears my betrayers have retained their human forms as Nobodies, and are gathering more followers in hopes of furthering a new scheme.

"Organization XIII," formed of 13 Nobodies with my betrayers at its core, has divided into two; they are said to be carrying out some sort of research.

Seeking to uncover the plans of this Organization, I have decided to head for where six of its members have gathered. Towering over the outer limits of the realm between darkness and light:

Castle Oblivion.

No, when you inspect the pods one of them says "This is the pod Donlad was in" and another says "This is the pod Goofy was sleeping in"

ooohh that one i forgot about it i never really dug into it

That's not why they were there. They weren't there until DiZ set up shop in Twilight Town. He and Namine needed to transfer Sora's pod from Castle Oblivion to Twilight Town in order to keep him hidden from Organization XIII. However, DiZ also acquired the other pods for research purposes. They weren't placed there by Xehanort or any of his other cohorts, because as far as they were concerned the mansion wasn't important. Everything you see there that doesn't belong there, that was placed by DiZ.

 

That's not to say that the original pods in Castle Oblivion were never going to be used for your idea though. They may had served some purpose as to transfer parts of Xehanort's heart into each member of the Organization. However, there is nothing supporting this theory and Xemnas probably could have just as easily done it by gathering everybody before Kingdom Hearts and just doing the process directly.

 

And like everyone else is saying, there was literally a Secret Ansem Report where DiZ says that HE built the lab. Everything there is his, save for the pods, which he stole from C.O.

 

Well in DDD he's able to do it with just his Keyblade- granted, Sora was asleep, but if he got more willing participants (surely in the infinite expanse of worlds he could find at least 12 total volunteers for his Horcrux project) then he would never need pods.

 

 

This. Always this. Nothing secretly means anything in Kingdom Hearts, it's always just been thrown together as the series was made. Fans always look way too hard to find clues that aren't there.

 Nomura never had everything planned or in mind from the very beginning, but he wasn't just farting around the whole series without having a single clue how he was going to finish each game. I'm not saying he knew exactly how Dream Drop Distance was going to end when he was finishing up Kingdom Hearts 2, but he had a good idea of what he wanted to happen in titles like Birth by Sleep when he was finishing up on titles like 358/2 Days. He's not just some grand improvisationist who just makes stuff up out of nowhere, he takes time to think about how he wants to further his story while focusing on the current title. By the time he figures out the end of his next game, it's already half-way done being made. There are fans that just look too deeply into things, sure, but then there are just some fans who refuse to even look a little bit into anything, and quite frankly that tends to tick me off a little more than looking for something "that isn't there".

 

 

You know I never noticed it before. Maybe it's just a mistake or perhaps not, perhaps Nomura wanted to tell us something. Just like with the mirrors in the 3 fairies room at Yen Sid's Tower.Nomura is a Master Troll

You do realize that those mirrors were meant to foreshadow Sora's Drive Forms, right?

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Flaming Lea

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, the creative process is a very nebulous thing. Ideas get added or discarded as the story progresses, and most ideas are never used for one story. If it's a series, then a writer may want to reuse ideas they had earlier on because they liked them or it would fit the new sequel. It happens all the time in Kingdom Hearts, and it most other creative media, whether it be literature, film, whatever. Nomura's not special for doing that, it's what every writer that has ever written more than one story does. Looking into things, like, say, a throwaway text bubble from the third game in the series, is not going to help anyone understand or predict the eighth game in the series. It might mean something, it will probably mean nothing. There's no deeper meaning, there's no grand plan, and as much as it may bother you to hear, there never was, because there rarely ever is.

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Flaming Lea

 

 Xemnas and the Organization were significantly more powerful then DiZ it would take little effort to silence him. DiZ didn't pose any type of threat to the Organization which is why he had to use Sora to get to them. Also from the looks of the Ansem reports it looks like Ansem himself created the laboratory in Twilight town.

 

Secret Ansem's Report 7

While beings born of darkness and those lacking hearts may find them convenient, it is dangerous for others to make much use of the corridors of darkness. Darkness erodes the heart.

In search of a place to proceed with my research and planning away from prying eyes, I found myself in "Twilight Town." It is a quiet village, forgotten in the chasm between light and darkness. I situated myself in the basement of an abandoned mansion standing beyond the woods.

My underground research resulted in one new discovery after another.

When a Heartless is born, the body and soul left behind are reborn into this world as a different being.

They possess different intentions than their Heartless brethren, and while it is unclear what these sentient "things" are after, it would appear they are responsible for much bedlam in the world.

My erstwhile friend the King and his subjects, along with a hero wielding the Keyblade, are battling the Heartless even as a new threat approaches.

This new threat...they have given themselves a fitting name, I suppose.

These non-beings: "Nobodies."

A great number of Nobodies have lost human form, as have the Heartless. Yet the Nobody born of someone with a strong heart retains its shape, with but the faintest visible changes.

It appears my betrayers have retained their human forms as Nobodies, and are gathering more followers in hopes of furthering a new scheme.

"Organization XIII," formed of 13 Nobodies with my betrayers at its core, has divided into two; they are said to be carrying out some sort of research.

Seeking to uncover the plans of this Organization, I have decided to head for where six of its members have gathered. Towering over the outer limits of the realm between darkness and light:

Castle Oblivion.

All that says is that he decided to use the basement, it doesn't say he built the equipment therein.

 

 

 

Seriously though, the creative process is a very nebulous thing. Ideas get added or discarded as the story progresses, and most ideas are never used for one story. If it's a series, then a writer may want to reuse ideas they had earlier on because they liked them or it would fit the new sequel. It happens all the time in Kingdom Hearts, and it most other creative media, whether it be literature, film, whatever. Nomura's not special for doing that, it's what every writer that has ever written more than one story does. Looking into things, like, say, a throwaway text bubble from the third game in the series, is not going to help anyone understand or predict the eighth game in the series. It might mean something, it will probably mean nothing. There's no deeper meaning, there's no grand plan, and as much as it may bother you to hear, there never was, because there rarely ever is.

True as that may be, it doesn't invalidate my point.he may not have though of it then, but that doesn't mean he won't go mack and decide to assign them a deeper meaning now.

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Flaming Lea

All that says is that he decided to use the basement, it doesn't say he built the equipment therein.

 

True as that may be, it doesn't invalidate my point.he may not have though of it then, but that doesn't mean he won't go mack and decide to assign them a deeper meaning now.

 

Maybe he will. I'm not a mind reader, I can't say for sure what Nomura is gonna include in KH3, nor can anyone else. I do think it's kind of a stretch, though, to think that one minor part of a game from 2006 is going to be important in a game in 201X, especially given that your theory was based on some misinformation. (One should never dismiss the possibility of retcons, though; after all, that's what KH is based on these days. )

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by HeyMouseSayCheese

Well in DDD he's able to do it with just his Keyblade- granted, Sora was asleep, but if he got more willing participants (surely in the infinite expanse of worlds he could find at least 12 total volunteers for his Horcrux project) then he would never need pods.

 

 

This. Always this. Nothing secretly means anything in Kingdom Hearts, it's always just been thrown together as the series was made. Fans always look way too hard to find clues that aren't there.

Xehanort is able to do it with his keyblade, but that still requires using his heart. That's why he wanted to use Kingdom Hearts to do it, otherwise he has to wait for a new Xehanort heart to grow every time he takes control of someone. and that could lead to the problem of the people he possesses growing old and dying before he could regrow his heart enough to gather 13 members

What I'm really curious is about the pod in KH2 that says "it looks like it was recently used"

Yeah, I've been wondering about that since I first played KH2. Who in the world could've been in that pod?

All that says is that he decided to use the basement, it doesn't say he built the equipment therein.

 

True as that may be, it doesn't invalidate my point.he may not have though of it then, but that doesn't mean he won't go mack and decide to assign them a deeper meaning now.

So what you're saying is he just happened upon a random world that randomly had a building that had the same equipment that DiZ was using in Castle Oblivion.

So what you're saying is he just happened upon a random world that randomly had a building that had the same equipment that DiZ was using in Castle Oblivion.

It wouldn't be all that random if, like I was saying, the Organization was using both facilities. Then them having the same equipment would make a lot of sense.And if you going to bring randomness in to this, how random is it that DiZ just happened to find his way to Twilight Town, the same place Roxas was born, to begin with?

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

It wouldn't be all that random if, like I was saying, the Organization was using both facilities. Then them having the same equipment would make a lot of sense.And if you going to bring randomness in to this, how random is it that DiZ just happened to find his way to Twilight Town, the same place Roxas was born, to begin with?

 

I thought he was born in Hollow Bastion? Didn't Roxas end up in TT because it's one of the world teetering on the edge of darkness, like Traverse Town, or something like that?

I thought he was born in Hollow Bastion? Didn't Roxas end up in TT because it's one of the world teetering on the edge of darkness, like Traverse Town, or something like that?

No, Sora's body disappeared from Hollow Bastion and was reborn as Roxas in Twilight Town, though the reason he was born there may be because it was an in-between world. We know Namine was born in C.O. Maybe all Nobodies are born in the Realm In-Between.

 

On a side note, I don't think Traverse Town belongs to any realm, it seems to show up in whichever realm it's needed.

No, Sora's body disappeared from Hollow Bastion and was reborn as Roxas in Twilight Town, though the reason he was born there may be because it was an in-between world. We know Namine was born in C.O. Maybe all Nobodies are born in the Realm In-Between.

 

On a side note, I don't think Traverse Town belongs to any realm, it seems to show up in whichever realm it's needed.

 

Couldn't you argue then that DiZ showed up in Twilight Town for the same reason Roxas did- because it's an in-between world? It would be easiest to escape the RoD to a place that's already close to it- it's not random, it's just the nature of that world. (And I guess he didn't need Traverse Town that bad then. )

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by HeyMouseSayCheese

Couldn't you argue then that DiZ showed up in Twilight Town for the same reason Roxas did- because it's an in-between world? It would be easiest to escape the RoD to a place that's already close to it- it's not random, it's just the nature of that world. (And I guess he didn't need Traverse Town that bad then. )

True, but that was kind of my point, seemingly random or coincidental occurrences in Kingdom Hearts often have a deeper hidden meaning. But though they are fewer, I'm sure there are more in-between worlds than Twilight Town and Castle Oblivion that we simply don't know of yet.

Edited December 14, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno