Dosen't particularly matter, if they could have done it they would have. No ifs, ands, or buts. The lead written isn't the only writter.

Talk about wreckless fanboyism.

Talk about wreckless fanboyism.

Although I don't quite take a liking to being called a "fanboy", I would like to hear your elaborate. However, I may have just worded myself wrong when typing that. What I mean is that if the writing team could do it, they would have, no matter of who leads them. As a leader you must also hear out other people's ideas/thoughts and decide upon them, and the recent teams haven't shown that their abilities about creating a plot and refining it are not good, no matter the team leader.

Although I don't quite take a liking to being called a "fanboy", I would like to hear your elaborate. However, I may have just worded myself wrong when typing that. What I mean is that if the writing team could do it, they would have, no matter of who leads them. As a leader you must also hear out other people's ideas/thoughts and decide upon them, and the recent teams haven't shown that their abilities about creating a plot and refining it are not good, no matter the team leader.

What you're doing is fanboying. You're not giving them a chance to prove themselves because you refuse to believe it is possible to overcome a bad era of games vs. a single game that is somewhat known depending on who you talk to or where you talk at. I'm not taking either side as I'm extremely excited for both titles, but you shouldn't write someone off just because your opinion rejects their acceptance to a challenge. You should be happy to see someone is looking to challenge one of your anticipated games. You don't just challenge something out of jest. You draw inspiration from something like that.

 

Yes, the idea that one story is better than the other is an opinion. However, you shouldn't say "nope not possible" just because you have a higher opinion of one over the other.

That'd be like me saying Zelda is better than Mario because I like it more.

What you're doing is fanboying. You're not giving them a chance to prove themselves because you refuse to believe it is possible to overcome a bad era of games vs. a single game that is somewhat known depending on who you talk to or where you talk at. I'm not taking either side as I'm extremely excited for both titles, but you shouldn't write someone off just because your opinion rejects their acceptance to a challenge. You should be happy to see someone is looking to challenge one of your anticipated games. You don't just challenge something out of jest. You draw inspiration from something like that. Yes, the idea that one story is better than the other is an opinion. However, you shouldn't say "nope not possible" just because you have a higher opinion of one over the other.That'd be like me saying Zelda is better than Mario because I like it more.

I am far from saying it's impossible, but I do state it's unlikely. Never did I use the word "impossible" to my recollection. Nor did I ever say they were not allowed to rebuttle, however when speaking in a board, you generally say what you feel you must, then post it and await a rebuttal. And anyhow, I have stated multiple reasons on why the previous stories are considered lesser by not just myself, for one having characters with no depth to them or growth as that is a yes or no kind of thing. Either a character demonstrates the trait or not, and on a writing level, they did not.And on another note, I never said it could not be proven to me either or that I refuse. Based off of evidence that dose exist at this moment, this is the statement I make. In no way am I anti-Final Fantasy. The better they do with it, the better for Kingdom Hearts, if they ever do any sort of sharing of characters or even worlds again, and I'll play any good RPG. But with what we know right now, this is how I think it is. If they by a miracle somehow go from making poor stories directly back on track, it will honestly shock me, but it would be a pleasant surprise. Why? More content that is worth my time to play gets put out. But likelyness of it being so is low based off of what we know now. I want this man to shock me and make a game worth my time. Take my money, give me a reason to pay for it! But as far as we know, it's not looking so good on paper. Rather than sit middle as I usually do, I have a reason to expect more from Monolith (the Xeno named games by Monolith in general are good games with good plots, I'm only bringing up mainly Xenoblade as it it the technical first in the actual Xenoblade series and thus I can't bring up the others in huge relevance as they only really share the same frontname) and less to expect from SE (due to poor plot as of late, which cannot be exactly denyed. Some people will though). As such, I feel Xenoblade X dose have much more potential than Final Fantasy 15, and I feel the evidence as of late gives me reason to. I don't feel like saying "this time will definitely be it, guys!" Is what I will say anymore. After 13RR, I gave up defending SE as they still haven't got it together from my point of view. Can't help it, I'm a pessimist at this point. I don't feel that my view is that of a "Fanboy" as I will also admit Xenoblade was not perfect in every way shape or form. However, it dose so many things well enough I feel that there isn't a point to being afraid to air my confidence on that side of the bridge unlike normal. If you feel that is fanboyish, I cannot help you on that one. A fanboy would have simply said no way, with no reasons given or thought put, however I feel I stated my case in a way that is not deterrent to the other point. Sure it could happen. But will it?

I am far from saying it's impossible, but I do state it's unlikely. Never did I use the word "impossible" to my recollection. Nor did I ever say they were not allowed to rebuttle, however when speaking in a board, you generally say what you feel you must, then post it and await a rebuttal. And anyhow, I have stated multiple reasons on why the previous stories are considered lesser by not just myself, for one having characters with no depth to them or growth as that is a yes or no kind of thing. Either a character demonstrates the trait or not, and on a writing level, they did not.And on another note, I never said it could not be proven to me either or that I refuse. Based off of evidence that dose exist at this moment, this is the statement I make. In no way am I anti-Final Fantasy. The better they do with it, the better for Kingdom Hearts, if they ever do any sort of sharing of characters or even worlds again, and I'll play any good RPG. But with what we know right now, this is how I think it is. If they by a miracle somehow go from making poor stories directly back on track, it will honestly shock me, but it would be a pleasant surprise. Why? More content that is worth my time to play gets put out. But likelyness of it being so is low based off of what we know now. I want this man to shock me and make a game worth my time. Take my money, give me a reason to pay for it! But as far as we know, it's not looking so good on paper.Rather than sit middle as I usually do, I have a reason to expect more from Monolith (the Xeno named games by Monolith in general are good games with good plots, I'm only bringing up mainly Xenoblade as it it the technical first in the actual Xenoblade series and thus I can't bring up the others in huge relevance as they only really share the same frontname) and less to expect from SE (due to poor plot as of late, which cannot be exactly denyed. Some people will though). As such, I feel Xenoblade X dose have much more potential than Final Fantasy 15, and I feel the evidence as of late gives me reason to. I don't feel like saying "this time will definitely be it, guys!" Is what I will say anymore. After 13RR, I gave up defending SE as they still haven't got it together from my point of view. Can't help it, I'm a pessimist at this point. I don't feel that my view is that of a "Fanboy" as I will also admit Xenoblade was not perfect in every way shape or form. However, it dose so many things well enough I feel that there isn't a point to being afraid to air my confidence on that side of the bridge unlike normal. If you feel that is fanboyish, I cannot help you on that one. A fanboy would have simply said no way, with no reasons given or thought put, however I feel I stated my case in a way that is not deterrent to the other point.Sure it could happen.But will it?

Now this, this is a much better way of putting it out there. You actually went into a full in depth description on it.

Now this, this is a much better way of putting it out there. You actually went into a full in depth description on it.

I was trying to before, but I often don't describe what I mean correctly. Just a poor expression skill set, but oh, well. It's my exact view and how I feel it is.

They can go for it, but honestly, I know I'll like Xenoblade a lot more. FF's just felt like it's going downhill to me, but Xenoblade X looks fantastic.

 

 

You play XIV?

 

Did you like the story of VII? VIII? X? X-2? KH1? KH2? Advent Children? Crisis Core? Smash Bros Brawl?

I'll take it you never played Brawl, if you can use its "story" to try to advocate for a writer's talent. It's story mode was boring, and barely even had a plot. The series is a party game, not some elaborate RPG with a deep, engrossing storyline.

 

Selling dosen't show quality of a game. Some people are die hard fans of a series and will buy the game no mater what. A lot of Final Fantasy fans are like this, they will play any game with FF tacked onto the cover and not care about if it's worthwile. Brawl's plot was sort of sub-par, and mixing sub-par story with very little speaking makes it sort of meh. Smash is a series that has already established a huge fan base as well that didn't really need a story to buy the game, so regardless of having one, most people probably picked it up because it's Smash, and Smash is a fun party game.

Seven is overhyped, 8 I rarely hear about, I hear 10 and 10-2 used as jokes far too often, Advent is a movie and shouldn't be considered, Crisis Core was OK.

Square Enix use to be King of RPG, but 7 came around and was sort of the tipping point in the series of Final Fantasy that made it sort of downward spiral. Now there is sort of a new king emerging, who can direct plot and generate a great story and tell it well. Their name is Monolith. And at this rate, Monolith won't even have to work to be in the throne, it will walk in and crush SE's chair into dust because it's so big.

And if I may say, it's sad.

Final Fantasy use to be an exelent series, filled with dynamic characters and amazing storytelling. What happened to that? What happened to the Square we use to have? The one what gave me KH2, that sparked my love of gaming, that made world's that people loved and truly enjoyed? As much as I love Monolith, without someone there to put up a fight, I fear they will, too, suffer like SE has and begin to drop the ball on story as they become a bigger and better company as they have no real compediters. That's what happened to Square: they got so big and inflated that they gave up on making good games. How many of us, regardless of if it's good or not, will pick up KH3? I probably will be because I enjoy the series so much, and a large number of people will as well. Square banks on our love of the series and our wanting to see every last bit of it. And I think it's sad.

The reason you don't hear about VIII is because it was really bad.

 

96, did you not read my post? Popularity and buys don't mean shit in terms of quality. It's quality that means quality. And most of the recent games lack quality. They look pretty and have stale characters who are one-dimensional that live in one-dimensional worlds. If you have a large enough fan base that will always defend their games no matter if they are good or not, no duh you get millions saying it's good. People don't want to be wrong, plane and simple.

When it came out, Xenoblade was praised by multiple professional reviewers, stating it was a breath of fresh air, that is was one of the greatest RPG's in recent history with a great plot and well-done gameplay, and it was done on a console with very weak parts. In comparison, the newer generation FF games have come out and reviewers of the same vein say it's "just another final fantasy title". Nothing new, or inventive or special. Nothing that makes it stand out as a great. I've played bits and pieces of multiple final fantasy's as of late, and even watched and read over the plots of a few of them, and they are monstrous in terms of poor decisions in story, and poor character personalities all across the board and all felt incredibly liner and boring. And you know what? They were done on a system that could handle more than a Wii could.

A game is about the fun to be had with it and the story behind it in RPG's, and it dosen't feel like any fun was had when making the recent FF's, where as in Xenoblade alone, it feels like the developers had fun with it, and it transfers to the story and gameplay and area design. It dosen't look pretty in terms of looking hyper HD. It dosen't have a direct to plot. It dose have a vast world that feels alive! It dose have a brilliant art style and area design! It looks and plays very fun, the characters are fleshed out, even so far as to having true likes and dislikes, so much so that there are achievements for giving items to that character they like very much or dislike greatly! Hell, the smallest character avalable has the most HP in the game off the bat for christ's sake! It makes no sense but it's done to be fun! Not everything has to make sense about a character, not everything has to fit in the box, and they don't! The lead character is a nerd teenager who is generally considered frail, and then he grows into something more because he is who he damn is! Not because the world needed saving (though it dose in the end) but because he wanted to move on and do what was needed for him to be at peace, ad then from there grows to desire peace for everyone! How many characters go from wanting to destroy for revenge and revenge alone to caring about everything and everyone they encounter, and wanting to destroy the enemy because he dosen't want to see anyone hurt anymore? How many?

And on the subject of characters, the team consists of: four humans, two of which are what you would expect your RPG main protagonist to be, one who is a stalwart experienced hero and the other a cocky punk with a lot of muscle. You know how they change? The stalwart hero hasn't got a nice side, he is all about logic and correctness, but he develops a nicer set of words after a major confrontation, becoming more able to forgive and do more human-like things. The cocky punk? He mellows out a bit, understands his role, becomes more worldy-wise, mor confident but not in a cocky sort of way, he becomes less emotional and more solid, providing himself to be a more balanced human. The other two are the main who I talked about, and a medic who has to deal with the stress of protecting and entire colony of survivors from an attack, who always had a lot of fear of everything being so dangerous, and having to struggle with the loss of her own loved one. She grows to be a song and dependable person, one that can handle herself in stressful situations and like some of the others becomes more solid as a person. She learns to not take everything so dreadfulky, and to take charge herself instead of relying on others to win. Next we have a half bird half human who was shelter her whole life and was raised as a prim and proper princess, and she grows to be courageous, self-aware, she learns to loosen up and relax a bit, but keep herself like who she is. She dosen't distance herself like she had in the past and becomes like the others more human. Next (and although not the last, I will not be discussing seven as it is a spoiler) is a little fuzz ball who sort of dosen't grow, but instead shows more of himself every time. In the begining, he starts out being just your over-the-top super excited support guy. But later he shows he is wise, clever, strong, he shows he can see what others are thinking and feeling and knows how to not only help them, but do so without interfering with their lives too much. He is caring, loving, and although very self absorbed, also very group absorbed. He is observent, and is more than just your average overconfident support tank. And although they earn these trates, it dosen't change how they are as a person. They still crack jokes and still understand the situation they are in. They still have their cockyness or killer instinct, but also show their new trates and let them also be part of how they approach something. If you can't call that a cast of characters who is colorful, but unified and strong with their own dynamics and personality trates.

Where as most of the characters never grow or improve in FF as of late, they all fit a cookie cutter and come out of the mass-production oven with no care taken in making them. As of late, FF is turning into a factoy-produced product, Final Fantasy is like a brand of cereal or bread at this point, pumped out quickly for cash of the people who just look for the brand name and care little of everything else. The company dosen't care if their cereal is a good quality cereal that is good for you. They care about making you addicted to it, and to make you want to buy it again and again and again. And some people never wise up to it.

Dont mind my rant being too much longer, it's nearly over.

As I said, the quality is the true test. A large portion of people my age buys snap-back hats and wear their pants low, but that don't mean it's a good thing. It just means it's a thing. Judge quality over quantity when it cones to having a better game.

Also, mind you, with the extreme hype thst has been drummed up alone for the series through it's first game, famous people playing it and showing off how good it is, the Nintendo Directs with huge coverage over it, an incredibly well-known composer working on its soundtrack, and more, it will likely get over that milion milestone mark. Just because it's not Square doSE not mean it automatically sucks.

Aw, come on, I'm not that frail.

 

Lol you say that Monoloth Soft's game won't sell a million copies just because they aren't a huge company yet Xenoblade Chronicles is considered one of the greatest video games ever made. You seriously need to try out some of these 3rd party games from Nintendo and see for yourself. You're really missing out.

Actually, Xenoblade's first party. Nintendo bought Monolith Soft, so they're a first party developer. That's why Shulk's in Smash.

They can go for it, but honestly, I know I'll like Xenoblade a lot more. FF's just felt like it's going downhill to me, but Xenoblade X looks fantastic.

 

 

I'll take it you never played Brawl, if you can use its "story" to try to advocate for a writer's talent. It's story mode was boring, and barely even had a plot. The series is a party game, not some elaborate RPG with a deep, engrossing storyline.

 

The reason you don't hear about VIII is because it was really bad.

 

Aw, come on, I'm not that frail.

 

Actually, Xenoblade's first party. Nintendo bought Monolith Soft, so they're a first party developer. That's why Shulk's in Smash.

Oh wow I never knew that. That's pretty cool.

Oh wow I never knew that. That's pretty cool.

You didn't knew that?It's been a long time since Nintendo purchased Monolith Soft and the fact that Shulk is actually a Nintendo character now

 

We talked about it a lot

TiduLaugh.mp4If I'm honest, there is probably no way they could do that. Most of their games as of late have been considered, in terms of story anyway, complete flops, and are only steadily growing worse. If they can even scratch the surface of Monolith's storytelling abilities, they would have with FF13/FF14/14RReborn, and have not. Monolith has consistently put out at least decent, if not great plot lines and unique ideas for a while now, matching that would take a lot of work. Surpassing it would be incredible.

To be honest as a player of FF14ARR, the story isn't that bad and given that it's an MMO they'll continue to tell it and it'll only grow from here. While I don't think it's as great as XC's plot, I don't think it's fair to compare the two. ARR is miles ahead of XIII in terms of storytelling though so eh.

 

Well that's your opinion. All of these titles were very well received and sold very well.

Nobody bought Smash because of its Subspace Emissary mode. They bought Smash because it was Smash.

 

VII started a downhill spiral? LOL. Most people would disagree with you. VII, IX and X are some of the most popular JRPGs of all time. VII and X were voted by the Japanese as their favourite PlayStation games for the 20th anniversary of PlayStation.

 

And Monolith? Lol. Their new game will be lucky to sell a million copies.

This entire thread wreaks of fanboyism and comments like that only further it.

 

Why do you feel the need to hate on them? Is it because people don't consider the Final Fantasy brand the king of JRPGs any more? Monolith are a great developer and regardless of how much people go on about Xenoblade Chronicles in recent memory it doesn't make it any less of a great game. To say the game will be lucky to sell a million is just arrogant.

 

Can't we just accept that both Xenoblade and XV look like good games and have the potential to deliver? Or is that so hard?

 

The last FF game that had good story for me was CC, and if I remove CC, it's FFIX.

To be honest as a player of FF14ARR, the story isn't that bad and given that it's an MMO they'll continue to tell it and it'll only grow from here. While I don't think it's as great as XC's plot, I don't think it's fair to compare the two. ARR is miles ahead of XIII in terms of storytelling though so eh. Nobody bought Smash because of its Subspace Emissary mode. They bought Smash because it was Smash. This entire thread wreaks of fanboyism and comments like that only further it. Why do you feel the need to hate on them? Is it because people don't consider the Final Fantasy brand the king of JRPGs any more? Monolith are a great developer and regardless of how much people go on about Xenoblade Chronicles in recent memory it doesn't make it any less of a great game. To say the game will be lucky to sell a million is just arrogant. Can't we just accept that both Xenoblade and XV look like good games and have the potential to deliver? Or is that so hard?

I'm certain both will deliver, however. .. deliver what...? And anyhow, 14ARR is eh.it's better than the general FF as of late, but it is also attempt two of a game...

I'm certain both will deliver, however. .. deliver what...? And anyhow, 14ARR is eh.it's better than the general FF as of late, but it is also attempt two of a game...

Well... I see both having different levels of success. I do see Xenoblade doing well based on what we've seen for the game and hopefully the western release isn't too far off. As for XV, it's hard to gauge how well it'll do. No doubt it'll sell well, but I'm not sure how the gameplay and story will pan out  given some of the response to it from fans so far. None of us know the future so we can only sit here and wait for the time to come. I hope both games are good though

Yeah I can't defend the original release of FF14, but I still give them credit for doing a complete turn around. It shows that they still have it in them to make a great game.

Edited January 18, 201510 yr by KHSoraKeyBlade

To be honest as a player of FF14ARR, the story isn't that bad and given that it's an MMO they'll continue to tell it and it'll only grow from here. While I don't think it's as great as XC's plot, I don't think it's fair to compare the two. ARR is miles ahead of XIII in terms of storytelling though so eh.

 

Nobody bought Smash because of its Subspace Emissary mode. They bought Smash because it was Smash.

 

This entire thread wreaks of fanboyism and comments like that only further it.

 

Why do you feel the need to hate on them? Is it because people don't consider the Final Fantasy brand the king of JRPGs any more? Monolith are a great developer and regardless of how much people go on about Xenoblade Chronicles in recent memory it doesn't make it any less of a great game. To say the game will be lucky to sell a million is just arrogant.

 

Can't we just accept that both Xenoblade and XV look like good games and have the potential to deliver? Or is that so hard?

Well, that's a matter of opinion. To me, FFXV doesn't look all that great. Better than the other recent FF games, but still below the standard set by earlier entries. I've played every main series FF except for XIII (Knew it wouldn't appeal to me) and the MMOs (XIVRR actually doesn't look bad, but I hate monthly fees), and honestly, ever game after VII with the exception of IX was disappointing. This isn't blind fanboyism on my part, either. I've watched the footage of XV, and it looks about average, with news such as the fact that all combos are done by simply holding the attack button down making it sound rather disappointing. So far, XV is shaping up to be yet another personal disappointment, while Xenoblade X makes me more excited for the game every time I hear any news regarding the game at all. I know for certain I'll love X far more than FFXV.

Well, that's a matter of opinion. To me, FFXV doesn't look all that great. Better than the other recent FF games, but still below the standard set by earlier entries. I've played every main series FF except for XIII (Knew it wouldn't appeal to me) and the MMOs (XIVRR actually doesn't look bad, but I hate monthly fees), and honestly, ever game after VII with the exception of IX was disappointing. This isn't blind fanboyism on my part, either. I've watched the footage of XV, and it looks about average, with news such as the fact that all combos are done by simply holding the attack button down making it sound rather disappointing. So far, XV is shaping up to be yet another personal disappointment, while Xenoblade X makes me more excited for the game every time I hear any news regarding the game at all. I know for certain I'll love X far more than FFXV.

I cannot agree more on the whole gameplay stuff they've revealed for XV. It's extremely disappointing and like many I was looking forward to a more KH-style that was originally the plan. I also wish they'd stop showing us footage of the demo and trying to sell us on it, the game was revealed so long ago that a demo isn't what people want to see more of. The more information I hear on the game the more I'm like "really? Err ok". I don't think Tabata should be on the project and while I'm glad Nomura can go to work full time on KH3 I don't think his removal from XV is the right thing so far. That said, the trailers from when it was Versus XIII and even the E3 trailer for XV were really cool and maybe I'm hoping it still remains like that. Xenoblade is my most anticipated game this year and I'm extremely impressed by what we've seen of it. XV in my opinion still looks good, my excitement for the game isn't as big as other games for reasons that you've said. SE have disappointed a lot lately with the FF brand and since the release of VI, only IX, XII & XIVARR have been enjoyable for me. I guess I just want to be optimistic for XV, I want to believe that it'll be great. I can't say that I'll love Xenoblade more than it because both games aren't out yet, but based on current trailers and the fact that Xenoblade actually has a release date I have to say I'm far more excited for it. I'm getting tired of SE's sealed lips and screwing around with XV, if it doesn't make 2015 in at least Japan then I think I struggle to be hyped for it. We need to see far more of the actual game, not far more of the demo.

I cannot agree more on the whole gameplay stuff they've revealed for XV. It's extremely disappointing and like many I was looking forward to a more KH-style that was originally the plan. I also wish they'd stop showing us footage of the demo and trying to sell us on it, the game was revealed so long ago that a demo isn't what people want to see more of. The more information I hear on the game the more I'm like "really? Err ok". I don't think Tabata should be on the project and while I'm glad Nomura can go to work full time on KH3 I don't think his removal from XV is the right thing so far. That said, the trailers from when it was Versus XIII and even the E3 trailer for XV were really cool and maybe I'm hoping it still remains like that. Xenoblade is my most anticipated game this year and I'm extremely impressed by what we've seen of it. XV in my opinion still looks good, my excitement for the game isn't as big as other games for reasons that you've said. SE have disappointed a lot lately with the FF brand and since the release of VI, only IX, XII & XIVARR have been enjoyable for me. I guess I just want to be optimistic for XV, I want to believe that it'll be great. I can't say that I'll love Xenoblade more than it because both games aren't out yet, but based on current trailers and the fact that Xenoblade actually has a release date I have to say I'm far more excited for it. I'm getting tired of SE's sealed lips and screwing around with XV, if it doesn't make 2015 in at least Japan then I think I struggle to be hyped for it. We need to see far more of the actual game, not far more of the demo.

I haven't seen the most recent footage for XV, but was it really still the demo? They should seriously be trying to sell the full game at this point, not get people hyped for a limited release demo. Like I said before, it doesn't look too bad, it's just all of this new news and all of the past disappointments that are making me not really care about XV at this point. I'd love for Square to surprise me and get me excited for a new FF game, but I've been disappointed so often that I'm beginning to think I won't manage to ever get excited for one again. The fact that this game's taken 8 or so years to develop is a pretty bad sign, too. I'm glad they're saying they're back to working on it full speed again, but it's always worrying when a game takes this long. I've never played Duke Nukem, but I heard the new one that took 10+ years to develop ended up being a massive disappointment. I'm worrying that XV will end up being like that. I've moved on to Monolith and Enix at this point (More of a Monolith fan of course, but I still love the Enix half of SE's work), since they're a lot more consistent with news, and their games give me the same feeling I'd get when I played older FF games. I really do want Square to make another great FF game that shakes up the genre and is as groundbreaking as their earlier titles, but I'm losing hope in that.

Not just the gameplay,aside from the stupid junction system and the Triple Triad mini-game that you have yo do an ungodly amount of times,the story is full of plotholes and it;s all over the place

 

Whoa whoa whoa hold on a minute! Why is everyone against the junction system? It's so simple it's not even funny. 

 

You don't need to play Triple Triad even once if you don't want to. Still a fun mini-game though. And how is the story full of plotholes? It's amazing, and it has one amazing love story as well.

Edited January 19, 201510 yr by Sorarocks93

Whoa whoa whoa hold on a minute! Why is everyone against the junction system? It's so simple it's not even funny. 

 

You don't need to play Triple Triad even once if you don't want to. Still a fun mini-game though. And how is the story full of plotholes? It's amazing, and it has one amazing love story as well.

Sure you can sure to not play Triple Triad but you'll be making your journey even harder since cards can also gives you spells and stats when you junction them heck some things can only be obtained through triple triad

Sure you can sure to not play Triple Triad but you'll be making your journey even harder since cards can also gives you spells and stats when you junction them heck some things can only be obtained through triple triad

Yeah but I found it quite easy to do without even touching the triple triad. Sure it's fun but I can't bother farming tons of cards for certain spells or even for the final weapon.

 

Instead I can just draw a 100 of any new magic I encounter from monsters. And if you can draw 9 per turn then it's very fast. Maybe it's just me but the game was really easy.

Yeah but I found it quite easy to do without even touching the triple triad. Sure it's fun but I can't bother farming tons of cards for certain spells or even for the final weapon.

 

Instead I can just draw a 100 of any new magic I encounter from monsters. And if you can draw 9 per turn then it's very fast. Maybe it's just me but the game was really easy.

Drawing takes an eternity to do so really we're just substituting one form of tedium with yet another form of tedium

 

setting there for 15 minutes doing nothing but drawing Fira from a random enemy isn't fun

Drawing takes an eternity to do so really we're just substituting one form of tedium with yet another form of tedium

 

setting there for 15 minutes doing nothing but drawing Fira from a random enemy isn't fun

But that's only at the start though, later you can start drawing more thus getting magic faster.

 

Anyway I guess I like the story so much that I don't mind the battle system.

Just found the original source for the OP,

 

Wan Hazmer's comment was interesting.

 

 

There’s no clause in my contract that states that I can’t love a game made by another company, so I’m gonna be all out and say that I just can’t freaking wait to play this game! I loved the world in Xenoblade Chronicles on the Wii, and I’ll be getting a Wii U just for this game.

 

Shame some fans from both sides can't take the same approach.

I love how the first page has people already dooming Final Fantasy XV because of the past "Track Record". That's just dumb. 

 

Alas, you can look at FFXV as two things: either as Square Enix's game, or Hajime Tabata and Tetsuya Nomura's game. Look at what those two put out.

 

Crisis Core was the best Final Fantasy game I ever played, especially when I found out what LOVELESS actually meant. I have the utmost faith in Tabata, hands-down.

 

I'm not trying to knock down Xenoblade at all. Actually, I'm really hoping to get the 3DS version by April. Shulk had me impressed the first time I saw him. However, it does seem like they took a more MMO approach. Usually MMO stories are not too great and more focused on PvP, farming, and party-based stuff. However, I am keeping my fingers crossed. Might I mention that Xenoblade has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard?

 

I respect both games. Not equally, but they both can deliver, honestly.

Edited January 22, 201510 yr by Sun Wukong

I love how the first page has people already dooming Final Fantasy XV because of the past "Track Record". That's just dumb. 

 

Alas, you can look at FFXV as two things: either as Square Enix's game, or Hajime Tabata and Tetsuya Nomura's game. Look at what those two put out.

 

Crisis Core was the best Final Fantasy game I ever played, especially when I found out what LOVELESS actually meant. I have the utmost faith in Tabata, hands-down.

 

I'm not trying to knock down Xenoblade at all. Actually, I'm really hoping to get the 3DS version by April. Shulk had me impressed the first time I saw him. However, it does seem like they took a more MMO approach. Usually MMO stories are not too great and more focused on PvP, farming, and party-based stuff. However, I am keeping my fingers crossed. Might I mention that Xenoblade has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard?

 

I respect both games. Not equally, but they both can deliver, honestly.

I wouldn't call it dumb. If a company's been churning out game after game that someone doesn't like, it's perfectly understandable that that person would expect their next game to not be much different, especially if what they've seen of it doesn't look all that great.

 

I personally don't judge a game's quality based solely on its director, unless the director has proven to me that their game will be something I'll love (Shigesato Itoi, Masahiro Sakurai, or Shigeru Miyamoto for example) I don't pay much attention to Square's directors since most of their new games don't appeal to me, but Crisis Core is just one work for me to judge Tataba's work by, while I don't consider Nomura to be one of the directors that I trust above all others (He's not a bad director, but his recent work hasn't been as interesting to me). As I stated before, Square's modern games don't appeal to me (The only non-KH game by the Square side of Square Enix that's been made recently and I enjoyed was TWEWY, and a couple FF spin-offs). As a result, it's completely understandable I wouldn't care much for FFXV, especially since I've done my research on the game and it still doesn't sound all that good to me.

 

As I just said, I've been watching most of the trailers for FFXV, and reading bits and pieces of news. The game sounds like its shaping up to be yet another disappointment to me. Better than the other post-IX FF games, but still not up to the standard that Square set for me when I played the old Final Fantasy games. All I want is a game that's at least as enjoyable to me as FFI was. XV looked interesting at first, until all of the footage just became four loud teenagers on a road trip, and it was revealed that the gameplay (The most important part of a game in my opinion) was literally just holding a button and watching your character essentially do the combat for you. I'd rather have a button masher than that. Again, XV certainly seems like a step up from XIII and the likes, but it doesn't catch my own interest. That's why I have my doubts it could be a game even half as enjoyable as Xenoblade X.

 

I'll repeat once again to make myself clear: I'd love to see Square make a FF game that I can really enjoy again. However, the direction they've taken the series in has pretty much killed my interest in the newer entries. I don't mind change. Change can make a stale formula good. But I far prefer the days of adventuring around a large world map, meeting a cast of varied characters who don't just fall into stale character formulas, and feeling like I'm really experiencing the games. I want to be a fan of Final Fantasy again. I just can't see that happening any time soon, since the series is veering so far away from what made the games special to me in the first place. I really believed XV could bring me back to that same feeling, but the more I watched or read about the game, the more that hope's diminished. I just want a fun RPG that makes me feel for the characters, and manages to hook me in the same way the older entries did. When Square releases a game that can do that for me, I'll gladly admit I was wrong in saying it felt like Square could never bring me the same excitement and wonder they used to deliver when I played their games.

 

As for the argument of "Why can't people accept that both games will be amazing?," it boils down to a matter of opinion. Some don't think XV looks that good, and it's not blind fanboyism. Even before XV was being compared to X, I thought it only looked about average. Some think the same way about X. Those are opinions, simple as that. No one can force anyone to change their opinion on games.

Edited January 23, 201510 yr by Shulk

Well, basically anything i would've said has been said by Riki and Shulk at this point, lol.

 

I am looking forward to FF XV, given that i liked XIII somewhat (my stance on the trilogy goes like this: XIII was ok, although it was mostly story and battle system that really interested as the linearity was a horrible idea, XIII-2 had an ok story and way better gameplay, more non linearity and side quests, and LR had the best battle gameplay, but story sucked and the leveling system wasnt good), and chances are, i will probably like the gameplay given it's action based like Kingdom Hearts, but i'm not expecting as much out of it as Xenoblade X given Square's track record.

 

Xenoblade on the other hand, has proved before that its series for the most part has been overall good, if not great, not to mention that the things that made Xenoblade Chronicles (the Original) so well re-knowned for being one of the best if not the best RPG of the previous generation is it's expansive world, all the quests and things to do in it, and the well written story and likable characters that help you feel immersed in this game's world. Xenoblade X so far has been hyped up to be incorporating these things on a much grander scale, and while im confident it will do well, not gonna make any assumptions on it yet. As i remember, Lightning Returns was hyped up to be "Most polished FF game to date", with it being very open world, tons of side quests, and the story sounded like it would be a great closure to the trilogy. While they did achieve closure with the plot and did follow up with their promise of an open world that you can visit 90% of and lots of side quests, the plot felt lackluster and really just threw away previously established elements of the series just for dramatic effect, which is not good story telling IMO. The Sidequests being tied to leveling up just made getting stronger really tedious, it would've been better if they just kept the Crystarium system in my eyes, and it honestly felt like the non linearity of the plot just butchered the story. :

 

I'm not claiming that FFXV or Xenoblade Chronicles X can't both be great amazing RPG's, or end up flopping and turning out horrid, as its still too soon to say. All i'm saying, given the titles preceding these games and the companies developing them, it's hard to not assume that one might turn out better than the other given whose developing them and their track records.